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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#141 » by Raptors Realtor » Fri May 16, 2025 12:41 am

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Scase wrote:Yeah, lets take your approach of fear of it being worse, definitely more effective.

You act as if the BC tenure was different, no the end just came sooner, but it's the same process. Hope in the beginning, followed by success, then the descent, people claiming it is better than what came before, fear that we can't replace him cause the next person might be worse, then people got sick of the poor performance after long enough to where the opinion shifted to mostly wanting to get rid of him.

Some people reached that last step sooner than others, the fact that you can't see the glaring similarities is kinda sad. Stop trying to compare the 2 GMs, and look at the situations, same trajectory. Just because I didn't name BC as the successor didn't mean that Babcock wasn't that bad and we should keep him.

Masai created these high standards, he isn't living up to them, we shouldn't be scared to try and find someone who is.


Dude, you always get so defensive whenever someone doesn't agree with your opinion...

Let's remember how this debate started... I asked you to name a realistic replacement, and since then you've gone off on numerous tangents, none of which include a single answer to my initial very simple question... It's cool if you can't think of anyone, just say that, but stop rambling on with these crazy digs and silly arguments.


Oh, you mean like here?
Scase wrote:Well yeah, it's not my job to find that person. Just because I think someone is doing a poor job, it doesn't mean I'm the one who needs to have the answer. I trust the people who actually hire and know the industry to do it. If they think Masai is the best bet, then so be it.




I'm not defensive in the least, you and I don't agree and that's fine, but stop acting like my position is outrageous. Earthtone just said it's not reasonable to expect someone to hammer out a bunch of named alternatives, and then you agreed with him.

But when I said that it's :

Raptors Realtor wrote:Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job.


You're contradicting yourself non stop, but I'm being defensive?

I believe there is likely, on the planet of 8billion people, someone who could do a better job than what we have seen in the last 5 years. No I don't have their name, phone number, and SIN. Doesn't mean they don't exist.




If your opinion on Masai is just based on 21/22 to 2023 (early '24 the retool started with OG trade) then ya it's easy to come to the conclusion that he didn't do a good job and could easily be replaced. But if you also take into account his tenure before those years and since, it's not as easy to come to the conclusion that he should be replaced.

Uh I responded to earthtone, and although I agreed with some of what he said, the point about not being able to suggest a realistic replacement wasn't one of them, so no contradiction there bud.

8 billion people on the planet, and realistically maybe a couple hundred or so who are qualified and/or would likely be considered for the position of an NBA GM ... I was thinking you would maybe name an unemployed GM or currently employed exec/assistant GM that you like... it's not as difficult a question as you're making it out to be.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#142 » by djsunyc » Fri May 16, 2025 12:52 am

Childs wrote:If Masai does come back, ownership will probably give him a shorter lease like 3 years. I don’t think Masai would like that, and would probably move on.

How would people grade him in the last 5 years? C minus to D plus? It hasn’t been great basketball to watch.


i understand the criticism but saying 5 years instead of 3 is wrong.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#143 » by Scase » Fri May 16, 2025 3:05 am

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Boogie! wrote:People on here **** on masai but every year some other team is trying to poach him from us.

People **** on Doc Rivers, but every year some other team is hiring him.


So masai is the doc rivers of team presidency got it.

No, just making a surface level argument to match yours is all.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#144 » by Boogie! » Fri May 16, 2025 3:11 am

Scase wrote:
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Scase wrote:People **** on Doc Rivers, but every year some other team is hiring him.


So masai is the doc rivers of team presidency got it.

No, just making a surface level argument to match yours is all.


Hiring someone that’s unemployed to fill a void is different from poaching a currently employed executive. It shows that he’s in high demand and the organization is desperate for his services.

That being said, is doc rivers really a bad coach? The clippers got rid of him and still choked. The nuggets just fired Mike Malone, replaced him with some random and are now taking okc to 7 games. Nick nurse was hailed as a genius here goes to Philly and everyone hates him. Maybe it’s not all doc’s fault.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#145 » by Scase » Fri May 16, 2025 3:42 am

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So masai is the doc rivers of team presidency got it.

No, just making a surface level argument to match yours is all.


Hiring someone that’s unemployed to fill a void is different from poaching a currently employed executive. It shows that he’s in high demand and the organization is desperate for his services.

That being said, is doc rivers really a bad coach? The clippers got rid of him and still choked. The nuggets just fired Mike Malone, replaced him with some random and are now taking okc to 7 games. Nick nurse was hailed as a genius here goes to Philly and everyone hates him. Maybe it’s not all doc’s fault.

Docs a pretty bad coach lol.

Just saying, his high demand is by teams like ALT and WAS, a corpse would do a better job than what they have/had. A couple of basement dweller franchises wanting to go after a guy who turned around a basement dwelling franchise isn't shocking, it also doesn't mean he's golden either.

Honestly, I don't think Masai is a bad exec, but I think he's overstayed his time here, and a change is needed. Too much of the same stuff for too long, sometimes you just need new blood. I'd be open to keeping Masai but getting rid of Bobby, definitely prefer that over getting rid of Masai and keeping Bobby.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#146 » by Pointgod » Fri May 16, 2025 4:34 am

Masai has definitely lost some zip on the his fast ball. I’d like to get a GM in here that isn’t irrationally attached to players he drafted, won’t let players walk for nothing and will build a team based on what’s successful in the modern NBA.

On the other hand, do I trust Ed Rogers to hire a competent GM that wouldn’t come in and do something idiotic like trade a bunch of picks for Trae Young? **** no. There in lies the conundrum.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#147 » by CPT » Fri May 16, 2025 11:03 am

Pointgod wrote:Masai has definitely lost some zip on the his fast ball. I’d like to get a GM in here that isn’t irrationally attached to players he drafted, won’t let players walk for nothing and will build a team based on what’s successful in the modern NBA.

On the other hand, do I trust Ed Rogers to hire a competent GM that wouldn’t come in and do something idiotic like trade a bunch of picks for Trae Young? **** no. There in lies the conundrum.


This is it. We would absolutely get the modern version of Bryan Colangelo, so all things considered, I’d probably just stick it out with Masai.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#148 » by Los_29 » Fri May 16, 2025 11:32 am

Considering he’s such a terrible GM, it’s amazing that so many teams want him to run their franchise. :wink:
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#149 » by ash_k » Fri May 16, 2025 12:07 pm

Fingers crossed that MAGA Ed and his supporters can control their inner demons and just extend him ASAP...i had noticed that GOA night has not been as mediatized the last couple years..almost going under the radar recently .
Masai almost got us the following "teams"
-FVV| KD |Siakam
-FVV |OG |Barnes |Pascal| Turner
-Lillard |Barnes |Pascal Jak
Though the KD team could have been a Conference Finals one at worst, I really thought the Turner one was the one that could have taken us to the top as a defensive juggernaut with 3pt shooting...and now we can fully see that Turner|Pascal vision.
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Post#150 » by Tripod » Fri May 16, 2025 1:20 pm

Like since the "ship":

19-20 great year, covid killed them
20-21 0 home games playing in Tampa all year
21-22 5th seed, 48 wins
22-23 played under expectations added Yak
New coach, no Fred
23-24 bad 3 months, started rebuild. Dec traded OG, Jan trade PS
2024 offseason made great trade with Sac and great draft
2024-25 newly drafted+Battle play very well and added BI in a season about development over wins.

This whole "bad for 5 seasons just isn't true as shown above. Covid year and 48 win year are not bad seasons.

22-23 was a bad season and we should have aquired a C sooner. No one will ever dispute that. Then by the following Dec we started the rebuild. Where of course you are expected to take a step back. And in the last 1.5 years we essentially flipped the entire roster and coaching staff.

If Masai leaves, we will have a very hard time replacing him with someone better. I for one, am looking forward to seeing what he does this offseason.
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Post#151 » by Godaddycurse » Fri May 16, 2025 1:27 pm

Tripod wrote:Like since the "ship":

19-20 great year, covid killed them
20-21 0 home games playing in Tampa all year
21-22 5th seed, 48 wins
22-23 played under expectations added Yak
New coach, no Fred
23-24 bad 3 months, started rebuild. Dec traded OG, Jan trade PS
2024 offseason made great trade with Sac and great draft
2024-25 newly drafted+Battle play very well and added BI in a season about development over wins.

This whole "bad for 5 seasons just isn't true as shown above. Covid year and 48 win year are not bad seasons.

22-23 was a bad season and we should have aquired a C sooner. No one will ever dispute that. Then by the following Dec we started the rebuild. Where of course you are expected to take a step back. And in the last 1.5 years we essentially flipped the entire roster and coaching staff.

If Masai leaves, we will have a very hard time replacing him with someone better. I for one, am looking forward to seeing what he does this offseason.


Honestly even these 5 years is better than the crap we had to suffer through w/ colangelo/babcock etc before Masai came
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Post#152 » by Duffman100 » Fri May 16, 2025 1:28 pm

Tripod wrote:Like since the "ship":

19-20 great year, covid killed them
20-21 0 home games playing in Tampa all year
21-22 5th seed, 48 wins
22-23 played under expectations added Yak
New coach, no Fred
23-24 bad 3 months, started rebuild. Dec traded OG, Jan trade PS
2024 offseason made great trade with Sac and great draft
2024-25 newly drafted+Battle play very well and added BI in a season about development over wins.

This whole "bad for 5 seasons just isn't true as shown above. Covid year and 48 win year are not bad seasons.

22-23 was a bad season and we should have aquired a C sooner. No one will ever dispute that. Then by the following Dec we started the rebuild. Where of course you are expected to take a step back. And in the last 1.5 years we essentially flipped the entire roster and coaching staff.

If Masai leaves, we will have a very hard time replacing him with someone better. I for one, am looking forward to seeing what he does this offseason.


Of course it's not true, don't bring facts into it.

22/23 was the bad move, that's just it. Trading for Poeltl instead of blowing it up was the mistake, I think few people argue that. Hell even I didn't want the Poeltl deal when it happened.

But since the blowup, he's done a good job. Our team has a lot of young talent, we're one of the youngest teams in the league and yet we'll still be competitive. Of the youngest rosters, we're one of the few that can say that.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#153 » by Los_29 » Fri May 16, 2025 1:59 pm

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Tripod wrote:Like since the "ship":

19-20 great year, covid killed them
20-21 0 home games playing in Tampa all year
21-22 5th seed, 48 wins
22-23 played under expectations added Yak
New coach, no Fred
23-24 bad 3 months, started rebuild. Dec traded OG, Jan trade PS
2024 offseason made great trade with Sac and great draft
2024-25 newly drafted+Battle play very well and added BI in a season about development over wins.

This whole "bad for 5 seasons just isn't true as shown above. Covid year and 48 win year are not bad seasons.

22-23 was a bad season and we should have aquired a C sooner. No one will ever dispute that. Then by the following Dec we started the rebuild. Where of course you are expected to take a step back. And in the last 1.5 years we essentially flipped the entire roster and coaching staff.

If Masai leaves, we will have a very hard time replacing him with someone better. I for one, am looking forward to seeing what he does this offseason.


Of course it's not true, don't bring facts into it.

22/23 was the bad move, that's just it. Trading for Poeltl instead of blowing it up was the mistake, I think few people argue that. Hell even I didn't want the Poeltl deal when it happened.

But since the blowup, he's done a good job. Our team has a lot of young talent, we're one of the youngest teams in the league and yet we'll still be competitive. Of the youngest rosters, we're one of the few that can say that.


I’ve said this for awhile now, we’ve been so spoiled as fans. I’ve been a fan for awhile now, dating back to the Grunwald years. Our last 5 years would be better than any other era in Raptors basketball aside from the VC days.

I think newer fans don’t realize how bad it was. Even in comparison to the rest of the league, we have never been bad. Look at the Heat for 4 years post LeBron.
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Post#154 » by CPT » Fri May 16, 2025 2:07 pm

You can’t just handwave away the Poeltl trade with “they won 48 games a few years ago and he drafted Jamal Shead so it kind of evens out.”

Poeltl is a good player, and it was fair(ish) value, but it was shockingly bad error in judgement from a big picture standpoint.

I think the other big moves (letting FVV walk for nothing, hiring Darko, the OG trade, the Siakam trade, and the Ingram trade) are all neutral at best.

I’m not as impressed by moves like the McDaniels trade, as despite the value, it doesn’t really move the needle. You would need to make like 100 of those “around the edges” moves to make up for the big picture failures.
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Post#155 » by Duffman100 » Fri May 16, 2025 2:12 pm

CPT wrote:You can’t just handwave away the Poeltl trade with “they won 48 games a few years ago and he drafted Jamal Shead so it kind of evens out.”

Poeltl is a good player, and it was fair(ish) value, but it was shockingly bad error in judgement from a big picture standpoint.

I think the other big moves (letting FVV walk for nothing, hiring Darko, the OG trade, the Siakam trade, and the Ingram trade) are all neutral at best.

I’m not as impressed by moves like the McDaniels trade, as despite the value, it doesn’t really move the needle. You would need to make like 100 of those “around the edges” moves to make up for the big picture failures.


It's not hand waving the Poeltl trade. But it's pointing out that the "we've been bad and making bad move for 5 years" talk is wrong.
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Post#156 » by Tripod » Fri May 16, 2025 2:18 pm

Also add...something I find funny.

Remember the whole "Masai overrates his own players in trade talks"? It's a lot of the same people talking about how good Siakam, OG, and lesser extent FVV, have been with their new teams.
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Post#157 » by earthtone » Fri May 16, 2025 2:19 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Tripod wrote:Like since the "ship":

19-20 great year, covid killed them
20-21 0 home games playing in Tampa all year
21-22 5th seed, 48 wins
22-23 played under expectations added Yak
New coach, no Fred
23-24 bad 3 months, started rebuild. Dec traded OG, Jan trade PS
2024 offseason made great trade with Sac and great draft
2024-25 newly drafted+Battle play very well and added BI in a season about development over wins.

This whole "bad for 5 seasons just isn't true as shown above. Covid year and 48 win year are not bad seasons.

22-23 was a bad season and we should have aquired a C sooner. No one will ever dispute that. Then by the following Dec we started the rebuild. Where of course you are expected to take a step back. And in the last 1.5 years we essentially flipped the entire roster and coaching staff.

If Masai leaves, we will have a very hard time replacing him with someone better. I for one, am looking forward to seeing what he does this offseason.


Of course it's not true, don't bring facts into it.

22/23 was the bad move, that's just it. Trading for Poeltl instead of blowing it up was the mistake, I think few people argue that. Hell even I didn't want the Poeltl deal when it happened.

But since the blowup, he's done a good job. Our team has a lot of young talent, we're one of the youngest teams in the league and yet we'll still be competitive. Of the youngest rosters, we're one of the few that can say that.

I still don’t think the Poeltl trade was bad at the time or in hindsight.

That team was all draft picks who grew in the organization & deserved a chance with a real starting centre. They ended up having an unfortunate performance in the play-in, but that was a homegrown core of guys who’d grown from underrated to All-Stars/All-Defense.

If Poeltl was a rental and he walked after the season I’d understand all the handwringing, but at the end of the day they traded a bottom-half of the lottery pick for a starting centre, which is fair value any day of the week
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Post#158 » by Basketball_Jones » Fri May 16, 2025 2:26 pm

What would he be doing with the hawks though? Can’t be lateral move or less I don’t think he’s fallen that badly. It’s a lot of small mistakes that are adding up that can be course corrected because they aren’t huge. Compared to Colangelo who I felt had large mistakes (Bargs, Hedo, Oneal, Bosh walking). But everyone has an expiry and end of leash, and yes even Masai’s is starting to come up unless we see results extremely soon.
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Post#159 » by jayu70 » Fri May 16, 2025 2:47 pm

It's being said in Atlanta, that Masai was the one that reached out to the Hawks as he wasn't on the original candidate list. TIFWIW.
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Post#160 » by dTox » Fri May 16, 2025 3:35 pm

jayu70 wrote:It's being said in Atlanta, that Masai was the one that reached out to the Hawks as he wasn't on the original candidate list. TIFWIW.


Now that's a massive update, if true. Any legitimate source on this news?
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