Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Tha Cynic]

The irony of trading Pascal Siakam because he's "only a number two option" to then trade for a "big fish" who needs a number two option is too much for me to stomach.

Also weird how superstar and future face of the league needs a "big fish" on top of leading scoring option and ball handler Brandon Ingram and second scoring option RJ Barrett. What's his role on the team at that point and when does management get rid of everyone again to make sure Scottie's ego isn't bruised?

What you’re missing is the contract situation.

Can I ask - are you suggesting that Pascal and Scottie are better together? Because that’s an interesting argument to make.

It’s as stupid as these same American media members who were talking about how Masai was asking for too much in trade talks for Siakam and OG are now are saying the Raptors didn’t get enough. You can’t make this **** up lol

[Prestige]

This was definitely prompted by the events of the last few weeks and the lottery. I think they initially thought about a multi year rebuild, but the lottery result, Tatum's injury and Cavs collapse, and seeing the Pacers probably accelerated their win now plans. Lets see what they can do.

[Clutch0z24]

This was definitely prompted by the events of the last few weeks and the lottery. I think they initially thought about a multi year rebuild, but the lottery result, Tatum's injury and Cavs collapse, and seeing the Pacers probably accelerated their win now plans. Lets see what they can do.

I think that could be the case obviously Flagg was the goal...But i also think Masai wanted to use the pick to get Giannis and moving down to 9th may have made that trade package harder to put together for Giannis and now we have to give up more to get him...

[Tha Cynic]

If he was "never" going to be a number one option, why did Darko call him the future face of the league? Why did the Raptors blow up this team to build around him?

OK, so he's 24 in 8 weeks and entering his fifth season in the league. He's actually not yet capable of averaging 20 PPG, he's never done it despite being force fed touches for the last 18 months. He can't shoot, he can't beat his defender with a live dribble, his ballhandling isn't good enough to actually leverage his ability to process the game.

He's a great defender, but he's best used offball, so you still need a primary onball defender next to him. Since he can't shoot, you also need shooting at every other position on the floor. Since he can't dribble, you also need live dribble creators next to him.

So again, what are we doing here? We're contorting ourselves to build around a player who is not a number one option, not a game changing defender, not a shooter, not a lead playmaker...why?

Taking anything Darko says as something to support your argument is laughable

Jakob and Scottie are the only 2 starters on this team with any value around the league. The fact that offering Scottie would get you into the conversation for someone like a KD or Giannis tells you what other GM's think about him.

Ben Simmons also once got you James Harden, I wouldn't put too much stock into present-day trade value as a predictor of future success.

Rodrigue Beaubois was once held out of Dwyane Wade trade talks.

What is the point of this comment? You can make this comment about any young player then?

[Clutch0z24]

Trading for Giannis is pointless since you give up WAY too much and still have the same spacing issues and back to having depth issues. KD would make WAY more sense but he is getting up there in age. Lamelo Ball would be amazing but i doubt the Hornets would do it.

You do realize that LaMelo Ball is always injuried right? He was played 47/22/36/76/55 games each year. That averages out to 47 games a year. Trading for a loser that is always injuried on a huge contract would be one of if not the worst trades in franchise history considering what the Raptors would have to give up. The Hornets keep him around because they are a loser franchise and he puts butts in seats.

He is also only about to be 24 years old.....And its not like hes had some career altering injury....Its been ankle issues....Which with time usually are fine.....Curry is a good example of a player who had bad luck with ankle injuries early in his career and since had long great career...

With LaMelo you prolly only give up the 9th/RJ/Contract filler which would be good value for his talent level and potential.....He is a legit All star when healthy....And hes the same age as Barnes so it fits good for the Timeline...I would not mind Melo at all...Gives us a legit Dynamic tall PG who can do alot of things on the court.

Watch on YouTube

His passing game and iso scoring are pretty elite to go with his size at the PG position....It would be a no brainer if its possible to get him...

[nikster]

The irony of trading Pascal Siakam because he's "only a number two option" to then trade for a "big fish" who needs a number two option is too much for me to stomach.

Also weird how superstar and future face of the league needs a "big fish" on top of leading scoring option and ball handler Brandon Ingram and second scoring option RJ Barrett. What's his role on the team at that point and when does management get rid of everyone again to make sure Scottie's ego isn't bruised?

What you’re missing is the contract situation.

Can I ask - are you suggesting that Pascal and Scottie are better together? Because that’s an interesting argument to make.

I dont think it's that crazy an argument when you look at how they played their last 30 games or so together. Pascal finished his last 32 games as a Raptor playing beside Scottie with 24/5 on 61TS%, one of the best stretches of his career. Scottie also played his best basketball of his career that season leading to his all star selections (and his play dropped off after Pascal was traded).

They didn't have the team success, but they really didn't have the playmaking, shooting or depth needded beside them.

[Tha Cynic]

Ed Rogers told Masai you have 12 months to save your job

This rumour has "sign Landry Fields to block the Knicks from signing Steve Nash" all over it. Masai is weak af right now, going around the league telling everyone who will listen they'll pay up.

It’s a bad thing that Masai went after Kawhi, Durant and Lillard and is now in a position where he has all his picks and a deeper bench to make consolidation trades? I understand you hate him, but dude your dislike for Masai is driving you down a deep hole. What exactly is there to dislike about your team’s GM trying to find a superstar? You would rather he sit on his hands?

This is nothing new. This is just how Masai operates when he has what he feels is value throughout his roster. We were never going to do a slow, long rebuild and those historically haven’t worked for most teams.

[Tha Cynic]

LaMelo Ball + Mark Williams

4

IQ + Ochai + 9th

Let's go all-in on injury risk players.

Ball, Shead
RJ, Walter, Lawson
Ingram, Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Mark Williams, 2nd rounder

+ All our picks moving forward

If the raps are trading for a PG, I am looking to move RJ and move IQ to the starting 2.

Finding a true point guard is going to be the problem.

I think the ideal trade the Raptors are looking at is most likely RJ for salary, a bunch of picks and a young player or two like Dick/Walter. That still leaves you with a deep bench if they keep progressing. IQ is 100% a 2 as a starter or 6th man going forward.

Ideally we can find a star scoring guard if we can’t land Giannis.

[dkb964]

Trading for Giannis is pointless since you give up WAY too much and still have the same spacing issues and back to having depth issues. KD would make WAY more sense but he is getting up there in age. Lamelo Ball would be amazing but i doubt the Hornets would do it.

You do realize that LaMelo Ball is always injuried right? He was played 47/22/36/76/55 games each year. That averages out to 47 games a year. Trading for a loser that is always injuried on a huge contract would be one of if not the worst trades in franchise history considering what the Raptors would have to give up. The Hornets keep him around because they are a loser franchise and he puts butts in seats.

He is also only about to be 24 years old.....And its not like hes had some career altering injury....Its been ankle issues....Which with time usually are fine.....Curry is a good example of a player who had bad luck with ankle injuries early in his career and since had long great career...

With LaMelo you prolly only give up the 9th/RJ/Contract filler which would be good value for his talent level and potential.....He is a legit All star when healthy....And hes the same age as Barnes so it fits good for the Timeline...I would not mind Melo at all...Gives us a legit Dynamic tall PG who can do alot of things on the court.

Watch on YouTube

His passing game and iso scoring are pretty elite to go with his size at the PG position....It would be a no brainer if its possible to get him...

He is a knucklehead like Marbury and Francis. Thankfully you are not the GM. Do you really think a kid like him fits the culture in
Toronto? Hell no. This guy will be a career loser. Cool beans he has a great highlight tape. That is all he does is try to make highlights. How have the Hornets been doing with him as a "leader"?

[Clutch0z24]

You do realize that LaMelo Ball is always injuried right? He was played 47/22/36/76/55 games each year. That averages out to 47 games a year. Trading for a loser that is always injuried on a huge contract would be one of if not the worst trades in franchise history considering what the Raptors would have to give up. The Hornets keep him around because they are a loser franchise and he puts butts in seats.

He is also only about to be 24 years old.....And its not like hes had some career altering injury....Its been ankle issues....Which with time usually are fine.....Curry is a good example of a player who had bad luck with ankle injuries early in his career and since had long great career...

With LaMelo you prolly only give up the 9th/RJ/Contract filler which would be good value for his talent level and potential.....He is a legit All star when healthy....And hes the same age as Barnes so it fits good for the Timeline...I would not mind Melo at all...Gives us a legit Dynamic tall PG who can do alot of things on the court.

Watch on YouTube

His passing game and iso scoring are pretty elite to go with his size at the PG position....It would be a no brainer if its possible to get him...

He is a knucklehead like Marbury and Francis. Thankfully you are not the GM. Do you really think a kid like him fits the culture in
Toronto? Hell no. This guy will be a career loser. Cool beans he has a great highlight tape. That is all he does is try to make highlights. How have the Hornets been doing with him as a "leader"?

How did he earn "Knucklehead" label when he is 5 years into his pro career? lol....Because he had bad luck with ankle injuries?.....We are talking about the Hornets here my guy....When Melo had his most healthy season where he played 75 games he brought a team with Miles Bridges as his best team mate to 43 wins....The Hornets are always going to be a bad team because they have trouble building talent around players...

You can't call a guy a Knucklehead when he has no off court issues....If you find him immature or somethinng thats one thing....But he seems fine to me....He has just been injured if that makes you a "Knucklehead" i guess Masai traded for the biggest Knucklehead in the league in Ingram...

[Tha Cynic]

It cannot be emphasized enough how washed Masai is.

We know - that’s all you ever post here.

[dkb964]

[quote=
"Clutch0z24"]

He is also only about to be 24 years old.....And its not like hes had some career altering injury....Its been ankle issues....Which with time usually are fine.....Curry is a good example of a player who had bad luck with ankle injuries early in his career and since had long great career...

With LaMelo you prolly only give up the 9th/RJ/Contract filler which would be good value for his talent level and potential.....He is a legit All star when healthy....And hes the same age as Barnes so it fits good for the Timeline...I would not mind Melo at all...Gives us a legit Dynamic tall PG who can do alot of things on the court.

Watch on YouTube

His passing game and iso scoring are pretty elite to go with his size at the PG position....It would be a no brainer if its possible to get him...

He is a knucklehead like Marbury and Francis. Thankfully you are not the GM. Do you really think a kid like him fits the culture in
Toronto? Hell no. This guy will be a career loser. Cool beans he has a great highlight tape. That is all he does is try to make highlights. How have the Hornets been doing with him as a "leader"?

How did he earn "Knucklehead" label when he is 5 years into his pro career? lol....Because he had bad luck with ankle injuries?.....We are talking about the Hornets here my guy....When Melo had his most healthy season where he played 75 games he brought a team with Miles Bridges as his best team mate to 43 wins....The Hornets are always going to be a bad team because they have trouble building talent around players...

You can't call a guy a Knucklehead when he has no off court issues....He has just been injured if that makes you a "Knucklehead" i guess Masai traded for the biggest Knucklehead in the league in Ingram...[/quote]


He is being sued for running over a kids foot leaving the arena because wait for it .... he is a knucklehead. Have you heared him speak by chnace?

[Asif16]

I feel like this report is 1 year too early. It's pretty obvious Masai is setting this team up for the next Kawhi trade, but I just don't think this is the off-season to do that.

We have to see how Ingram fits in with this new iteration of the Raptors. I think Masai is gonna see how this next season pans out with a IQ/RJ/Ingram/Scottie/Poetl lineup, and see what the ceiling is.

And then strike next off-season, depending on who's available

[Clutch0z24]

[quote=
"Clutch0z24"]

He is also only about to be 24 years old.....And its not like hes had some career altering injury....Its been ankle issues....Which with time usually are fine.....Curry is a good example of a player who had bad luck with ankle injuries early in his career and since had long great career...

With LaMelo you prolly only give up the 9th/RJ/Contract filler which would be good value for his talent level and potential.....He is a legit All star when healthy....And hes the same age as Barnes so it fits good for the Timeline...I would not mind Melo at all...Gives us a legit Dynamic tall PG who can do alot of things on the court.

Watch on YouTube

His passing game and iso scoring are pretty elite to go with his size at the PG position....It would be a no brainer if its possible to get him...

He is a knucklehead like Marbury and Francis. Thankfully you are not the GM. Do you really think a kid like him fits the culture in
Toronto? Hell no. This guy will be a career loser. Cool beans he has a great highlight tape. That is all he does is try to make highlights. How have the Hornets been doing with him as a "leader"?

How did he earn "Knucklehead" label when he is 5 years into his pro career? lol....Because he had bad luck with ankle injuries?.....We are talking about the Hornets here my guy....When Melo had his most healthy season where he played 75 games he brought a team with Miles Bridges as his best team mate to 43 wins....The Hornets are always going to be a bad team because they have trouble building talent around players...

You can't call a guy a Knucklehead when he has no off court issues....He has just been injured if that makes you a "Knucklehead" i guess Masai traded for the biggest Knucklehead in the league in Ingram...

he is being sued for running over a kids foot leaving the arena because wait for it .... he is a knucklehead. Have you heared him speak by chnace?[/quote]

Lol being sued by running over a kids foot on accident....He obv didn't go out targetting a kid to run over here...You sound insane....Also being sued and being guilty are 2 diff things....Its not like Melo is some Zion Williamson risk here or doing some off the court stuff and in the news all the time....He has been injured....If you don't like someone personally then thats you....He seems like a good kid to me....Just a hooper that loves basketball and hes a really skilled ball player as well.....If you can get someone that skilled at good value ....You do it...

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Masai 'bout to trade for Giannis at 2 am on draft day

[Asif16]

Also, I see the usual names being mentioned when it comes to "big Fish," but one name I don't see as often is Trae Young.

I think Trae Young would be a lethal fit next to Ingram/Scottie/Poetl and the offensive/explosive PG we need. The hawks are in a bind right now with no clear-cut direction at all.

They badly need a re-build

[dkb964]

[quote=
"Clutch0z24"]

He is a knucklehead like Marbury and Francis. Thankfully you are not the GM. Do you really think a kid like him fits the culture in
Toronto? Hell no. This guy will be a career loser. Cool beans he has a great highlight tape. That is all he does is try to make highlights. How have the Hornets been doing with him as a "leader"?

How did he earn "Knucklehead" label when he is 5 years into his pro career? lol....Because he had bad luck with ankle injuries?.....We are talking about the Hornets here my guy....When Melo had his most healthy season where he played 75 games he brought a team with Miles Bridges as his best team mate to 43 wins....The Hornets are always going to be a bad team because they have trouble building talent around players...

You can't call a guy a Knucklehead when he has no off court issues....He has just been injured if that makes you a "Knucklehead" i guess Masai traded for the biggest Knucklehead in the league in Ingram...

he is being sued for running over a kids foot leaving the arena because wait for it .... he is a knucklehead. Have you heared him speak by chnace?

Lol being sued by running over a kids foot on accident....He obv didn't go out targetting a kid to run over here...You sound insane....Also being sued and being guilty are 2 diff things....Its not like Melo is some Zion Williamson risk here or doing some off the court stuff and in the news all the time....He has been injured....If you don't like someone personally then thats you....He seems like a good kid to me....Just a hooper that loves basketball and hes a really skilled ball player as well.....If you can get someone that skilled at good value ....You do it...[/quote]

He was speeding and driving recklessly and injuried a young boy. What if that was your son? He also has fines for anti-gay slurs. I sound insane? You sound like a cluless idot. Ujiji is not trading for this clown, so don't get your hopes up. The Kangz will or a team like that.

[Raptors Realtor]

Ed Rogers told Masai you have 12 months to save your job

This rumour has "sign Landry Fields to block the Knicks from signing Steve Nash" all over it. Masai is weak af right now, going around the league telling everyone who will listen they'll pay up.

It’s a bad thing that Masai went after Kawhi, Durant and Lillard and is now in a position where he has all his picks and a deeper bench to make consolidation trades? I understand you hate him, but dude your dislike for Masai is driving you down a deep hole. What exactly is there to dislike about your team’s GM trying to find a superstar? You would rather he sit on his hands?

Ya those types of posts make no sense... When there's no reports/rumors swirling around you have posters complaining about Masai just sitting on his hands. It's also ironic that a lot of the same posters are saying this team isn't good enough, but then go ahead and complain when there's rumors about Masai trying to trade for a top level talent...

[Asif16]

I'm also under the assumption that any trade for Giannis will have to include Scottie. Because a Scottie/Ingram/Giannis front court is spacing hell and would be a terrible fit.

Including Scottie in a trade for Giannis would also minimize stripping your whole team for depth. Scottie + Gradey + 9th pick (hypothewtical) for example would be a great trade for Milwaukee to make to start a re-build

[Clutch0z24]

[quote=
"Clutch0z24"]

How did he earn "Knucklehead" label when he is 5 years into his pro career? lol....Because he had bad luck with ankle injuries?.....We are talking about the Hornets here my guy....When Melo had his most healthy season where he played 75 games he brought a team with Miles Bridges as his best team mate to 43 wins....The Hornets are always going to be a bad team because they have trouble building talent around players...

You can't call a guy a Knucklehead when he has no off court issues....He has just been injured if that makes you a "Knucklehead" i guess Masai traded for the biggest Knucklehead in the league in Ingram...

he is being sued for running over a kids foot leaving the arena because wait for it .... he is a knucklehead. Have you heared him speak by chnace?

Lol being sued by running over a kids foot on accident....He obv didn't go out targetting a kid to run over here...You sound insane....Also being sued and being guilty are 2 diff things....Its not like Melo is some Zion Williamson risk here or doing some off the court stuff and in the news all the time....He has been injured....If you don't like someone personally then thats you....He seems like a good kid to me....Just a hooper that loves basketball and hes a really skilled ball player as well.....If you can get someone that skilled at good value ....You do it...

He was speeding and driving recklessly and injuried a young boy. What if that was your son? He also has fines for anti-gay slurs. I sound insane? You sound like a cluless idot. Ujiji is not trading for this clown, so don't get your hopes up. The Kangz will or a team like that.[/quote]


With the way your typing you sound more like the "Knucklehead" in this scenario Relax you have no idea who Masai likes...Masai showed interest in Ball during the draft....So if we do trade for him i will remember your username and have a laugh at you for having to cheer for someone you hate so much for so little reasons considering you don't know him personally...