[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

[OhCanada]

Just a reminder. Theres not a single player in this draft who is currently as good as Brandon Ingram not even Flagg and we got him for expiring contracts and a 2026 25th-30th pick.

Yeah i think Ingram came cheaper because he has a really bad history with Injuries....Like his last 4 years he has 55,45,64,18 games played....Ingram most likely misses 20-25 games in a season....Hope we can keep him healthy though...

Banes missed games too and for a team competing. Either way Ingrams the better player.

[Clutch0z24]

Quickley --- Suggs
Barrett --- Bane
Ingram --- Wagner
Barnes --- Banchero
Poeltl --- Carter

Which starting 5 is better?

Quickley > Suggs
Barrett < Bane
Ingram < Wagner
Barnes = Banchero
Poeltl > Carter

I think you have to look at the depth....I think Magic have better depth and Banchero/Wagner duo already pushed that team to playoffs for a couple seasons now....Barnes has yet to push this team to even a playoff birth....A trio of Banchero/Wagner/Bane has a higher ceiling than a Barnes/Ingram/Barrett trio imo...

Magic depth also might be on another tier as they have a pretty complete bench Black/Isaac/Goga/Mortiz/Da Silva/Joseph/Howard is a solid rotation for them....Compared to us anyways.

[TimeForChange]

Orlando's next move will be trading Suggs for Garland I would think

[HangTime]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

If we're healthy, Indiana and Orlando don't worry me.

I called Indiana a mirage, and I feel similar about Orlando.

[EH15]

Orlando's next move will be trading Suggs for Garland I would think

What? Absolutely zero chance

[Clutch0z24]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

I agree Masai has done a bad job pivoting and he should have made a decision way sooner with trying to actually compete with Siakam/OG/FVV team by trading Barnes while his value was at that all time high for a KD type player...Or pivot fully and trade Siakam/OG/FVV for prolly 50x the value we got for them 3 with a treasure chest of draft picks/prospects and go full on Barnes timeline and play the draft for a few years....Which ever direction we took would have been better than what we ended up having...

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

[WuTang_OG]

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[Quattro]

Funny. First they complained that we should trade our core to build around barnes. Then they complained we waited too long to trade our core and didnt get enough assets to help barnes. Now we should have kept our core and traded barnes instead.

As usual, raptors realgm is the ultimate hindsight nba gm

[nivisi9]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

If we're healthy, Indiana and Orlando don't worry me.

I called Indiana a mirage, and I feel similar about Orlando.

we call that dillusion.

we won 30 games and Indy is in the finals competitive against a historically good OKC team. (who almost won 70 games with a +13 point differential).

[nivisi9]

Funny. First they complained that we should trade our core to build around barnes. Then they complained we waited too long to trade our core and didnt get enough assets to help barnes. Now we should have kept our core and traded barnes instead.

As usual, raptors realgm is the ultimate hindsight nba gm

No i think most of us said rebuild properly for once and dont rush things.

Instead we ditched that after 1 yr and a single top ten pick.

[WuTang_OG]

i like the way kleiman runs things ... will be interesting where they go from here. But drafting and developing is vital in today's NBA moreso then ever before due to the hard cap. KCP was a bad signing and that gets amplified in the 2nd apron world now so you have to pay more to get off it.

Kleiman likely doesn't make this deal if MEM was in the East. The West is just a bloodbath so you have to get ahead of things if you can capitalize on a deal that brings a lot back.

[nivisi9]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

I agree Masai has done a bad job pivoting and he should have made a decision way sooner with trying to actually compete with Siakam/OG/FVV team by trading Barnes while his value was at that all time high for a KD type player...Or pivot fully and trade Siakam/OG/FVV for prolly 50x the value we got for them 3 with a treasure chest of draft picks/prospects and go full on Barnes timeline and play the draft for a few years....Which ever direction we took would have been better than what we ended up having...

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

that first part is correct.

The problem with waiting for a trade now to take us over the top is..

we are basically all-in hoping for that unlikely scenario as our only route to contending without any alternative options.

you usually want flexibility or multiple options forward which is why you dont force yourself out of the lottery with treadmill trades as a 30 win team.

and we also dont have a good enough team/enough quality depth for one of those trades to ultimately workout, if that opportunity ever even comes.(which you have no control of, think KD to Phx)

Not the way to "rebuild"

[bboyskinnylegs]

I don't think they will, but if they're going to deal Ja and/or JJJ as well, good job setting a baseline with a Bane deal first.

[Wise80]

I've loved what Orlando has been doing for awhile now. I really like the fit of there guys. Bane is exactly what they need.

I'm to lazy to look to deep into it, but I question if they can keep the core together and run the team how it ought to be and not make moves because of there cap situation.

It's an overpay, but those picks would have taken 3+ years before you start to see them shine. And that's if you hit on them and get lucky where they fall.

It's just a matter of time before they make a big leap with there guys.

[sidsid]

Bane is also much more than just a 3&D player he is a secondary ball handler who can create his own shot....He has more value than a 3&D role player....He will deff help the Magic big time....overpay though slightly...

I like his style and fit in terms of what the Magic want to be. Matching a Suggs demeanor which oddly enough, Banchero (loose defensively, nonchalant) is the only odd man out in that type of build.

If you traded Banchero for Giannis, the shooting isn't there still, but it's a tougher and bigger version of the Thunder approach imo.

[Pointgod]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

I agree Masai has done a bad job pivoting and he should have made a decision way sooner with trying to actually compete with Siakam/OG/FVV team by trading Barnes while his value was at that all time high for a KD type player...Or pivot fully and trade Siakam/OG/FVV for prolly 50x the value we got for them 3 with a treasure chest of draft picks/prospects and go full on Barnes timeline and play the draft for a few years....Which ever direction we took would have been better than what we ended up having...

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”

[navyblue]

I've loved what Orlando has been doing for awhile now. I really like the fit of there guys. Bane is exactly what they need.

I'm to lazy to look to deep into it, but I question if they can keep the core together and run the team how it ought to be and not make moves because of there cap situation.

It's an overpay, but those picks would have taken 3+ years before you start to see them shine. And that's if you hit on them and get lucky where they fall.

It's just a matter of time before they make a big leap with there guys.

Wagner is 25% of cap, 24 , 23% etc going forward
Banes is 24% 23, 23, 21% going forward
Suggs is 22%, 19, 16, 13% going forward

Banchero will be 25-30% starting going forward.
They will have the core 4 for around 90% of regular cap, have plenty of breathing room under the tax line.

[SharoneWright]

Who knew the Malachi Flynn draft slot was worth 4 future unprotected FRP’s.

[Clutch0z24]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”

I don't think the Bane trade will up KDs value on the market because its diff situations....Bane is 26 turning 27 while KD is 36 turning 37.....Also Bane is locked up for 4 years on a decent deal while KD will be a free agent next year....Sure KD is the better player but the differences are the same reason we got a less package for an expiring Siakam rather than if he was on a 4 year contract when traded...

I think we could get KD for Yak/RJ/9th pick/future 2nd rounders....But we shall see...

[WuTang_OG]

Who knew the Malachi Flynn draft slot was worth 4 future unprotected FRP’s.

What if Nurse handled Bane and not Darko?