Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[navyblue]

Can you find any trade where it makes for Houston to match Durants contract + give up picks? I checked and Houston just giving up the players to match contracts should be enough to get a deal done.

if they pick up fvv option.

They need to keep FVV since they have 0 starting PGs on the roster for a team looking to contend with KD.

It would have to be Green + Smith + Landale and im not sure if this would require any additional picks to be included. Maybe 1 of their 1sts just to accept Landale.

they have reed shepard, and or use whitmore/green/smith to get another PG.

[Clutch0z24]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

Can you find any trade where it makes for Houston to match Durants contract + give up picks? I checked and Houston just giving up the players to match contracts should be enough to get a deal done.

If i had to predict right now....To me it sounds likes Rockets are not putting a package Suns like so it is prolly something like

Green
Reed Shep
Jock Landale
#10

Which...Green does not really fit with Booker/Beal and Jock Is not a starting level C.....I think Rockets are not offering up Jabari or Tari Eason in any deals...Maybe can throw Whitemore in there as well....But Suns clearly want more or don't like that offer..

[Tha Cynic]

If PHX is willing to accept RJ/#9 and filler for Durant that is a great offer.

IQ
Ochai
KD
Barnes
JP

Won’t work without adding Poeltl to match salaries. It’s going to be at min Poeltl and RJ or IQ and pick(s).

RJ always felt like a temporary stopgap so not surprised if he’s the one being offered with Poeltl. This creates a big hole at the 5 though, so Masai must have some plan to acquire a 5 if Suns accept.

I find it too risky if it’s a one year deal. We’re not winning a Championship with that roster, but at the same time, maybe Masai doesn’t plan to resign either of Poeltl or RJ. One thing that’s forgotten about the Derozan for Kawhi deal is that Masai was probably ready to trade Derozan for scraps at that point. He only makes these type of deals if his plan imo is to move away from a certain player. It’s easier to make a one year rental play for a star when the players you give up aren’t players you want to sign to bigger deals.

[Spida888]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

Why in gods name are we giving up the best pieces only to end up with Miami's trash?

Wiggins fits roster better than RJ and salaries/years are basically a wash. Gives Raptors some breathing room with a Poeltl extension coming.

As mentioned to someone else, I have irrational affinity for Ware and Jovic. I’m probably undervaluing the Raptors assets.

I probably wouldn't do it because #9 is one of our best trade assets for a star player. I do like the Wiggins fit more than RJ and high on Ware.

If there is no star we can acquire and there was a way to move up the draft into the teens with #20 + #29 then it would make this more palatable. We would then just be dropping a few spots in the draft (ex. Flemming/Coward might still be available).

[sidsid]

Sounds like the offer could potentially be Quickley / Poeltl / 9th pick for Durant / 29th pick

There is obvious reasons why we should not do this trade. I am not going to convince anyone we should do it.

But I don’t know in the same time I found myself thinking it’s intriguing!

How do you fix the Center spot? That is a gaping hole, as some combination of KD/Barrett/Barnes/Ingram offers very little rim protection.

Obviously would need a subsequent trade or move

Could RJ + 2026 1st be flipped for a C

But yeah obviously the big hole at C is one of many downside doing such a move.

The follow-up that's just waiting to happen on that one is RJ for Jrue plus a pick to get the PG spot done.

We should be moving Ingram for the C and depth, but I don't see Masai doing that. We'll get an old C in FA and our closing lineups will be Scottie at C.

[Boogie!]

Is dick on the list?

[WiggOuts]

Reading through this thread and seeing some of these offers some of you guys want is scary. I REALLY dont think theyd give up the 9th pick for a 37 year old Durant on the final year of his deal without getting something significant back. When we traded for Kawhi it was high rish high reward, this isnt a high reward and the price wed pay is even higher, it doesnt make sense.

Im not ruling out the possibility of trading 9 but we absolutely would ne getting something significant in return, KD aint it. Like always, we are being used as leverage, we offer a unique aspect when it comes to that. Americans dont typically want to leave the US so threatening them with Canada changes minds quickly, get used to it

[Sandman88]

lol no chance we ship the 9 pick and Jak for a rental of KD

[sidsid]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

Can you find any trade where it makes for Houston to match Durants contract + give up picks? I checked and Houston just giving up the players to match contracts should be enough to get a deal done.

If i had to predict right now....To me it sounds likes Rockets are not putting a package Suns like so it is prolly something like

Green
Reed Shep
Jock Landale
#10

Which...Green does not really fit with Booker/Beal and Jock Is not a starting level C.....I think Rockets are not offering up Jabari or Tari Eason in any deals...Maybe can throw Whitemore in there as well....But Suns clearly want more or don't like that offer..

Green is a flat out bad contract for the Suns. Just a big, long-term negative asset. They don't want him and they'd want Fred's expiring instead so that they could let it expire or give him a small deal after relieving tax pressure. But Houston almost certainly wants to move off of Green in this deal for a variety of reasons.

The hangup for the Rockets is that if they don't give up Fred, the Suns are likely asking for all their own picks back. 10, the 2027 and 2028 picks. And that's likely what they don't want to do. They wanted to do that for Booker, not KD.

[Tor_Raps]

Is dick on the list?

Sure if thats your sort of thing lol

[Raptors Realtor]

How do you fix the Center spot? That is a gaping hole, as some combination of KD/Barrett/Barnes/Ingram offers very little rim protection.

Obviously would need a subsequent trade or move

Could RJ + 2026 1st be flipped for a C

But yeah obviously the big hole at C is one of many downside doing such a move.

The follow-up that's just waiting to happen on that one is RJ for Jrue plus a pick to get the PG spot done.

We should be moving Ingram for the C and depth, but I don't see Masai doing that. We'll get an old C in FA and our closing lineups will be Scottie at C.

I don't understand the intrigue of trading a bunch of young assets/picks for a 35 & 37 year old... Both are obviously great players, but they're at the tail end of their careers and would leave us with a very short window. Not to mention, Durant is a UFA after this season and Holiday is making $37.5M/per for the next 3 seasons... Just doesn't seem like good asset management or a risk worth taking.

[Rapsobsessed7]

while either could work, I think the deal we're discussing for KD is RJ+Yak+#9. Suns would probably want to reduce their 2nd apron money as much as possible, and RJ is an extra $5M in freed capspace for them (plus shorter contract compared to IQ). Plus logistically we don't have to make as many followup trades if we deal RJ instead of IQ.

I agree but I think I’d walk with #9 included. The C position post trade is too thin to compete.

Poeltl makes a lot of sense for the suns. In every proposal seems they are targeting a C - Zubac, Ware, etc.

[Consequence]

Well, a couple of days ago I wouldn’t have expected Bane to be traded at all so if Masai is rooting around for something along those lines it sounds interesting. Jalen Brown?

[sidsid]

Obviously would need a subsequent trade or move

Could RJ + 2026 1st be flipped for a C

But yeah obviously the big hole at C is one of many downside doing such a move.

The follow-up that's just waiting to happen on that one is RJ for Jrue plus a pick to get the PG spot done.

We should be moving Ingram for the C and depth, but I don't see Masai doing that. We'll get an old C in FA and our closing lineups will be Scottie at C.

I don't understand the intrigue of trading a bunch of young assets/picks for a 35 & 37 year old... Both are obviously great players, but they're at the tail end of their careers and would leave us with a very short window. Not to mention, Durant is a UFA after this season and Holiday is making $37.5M/per for the next 3 seasons... Just doesn't seem like good asset management or a risk worth taking.

They are the risks available to a team without a lot of assets. The value on the team is almost entirely attached to the existing talent on the roster. Seeing the Orlando Bane trade, you can only do that once, and then the next half-decade it's talent-for-talent trades only. The Spurs could do multiples of these (Fox being the first) because they tanked and traded away talent for those future assets.

We are switching out much younger players for much older, but also much better players who are steadily declining. That's the tradeoff for getting better talent.

[Scase]

Please don't be shortsighted Masai. Make a trade that is in the best interest for the Raptors LONGTERM. We are trusting you lol.

Have you just woken up from a 5 year coma?

[Tor_Raps]

Please don't be shortsighted Masai. Make a trade that is in the best interest for the Raptors LONGTERM. We are trusting you lol.

Have you just woken up from a 5 year coma?

I'm willing to trust Masai one last time haha

[Scase]

Please don't be shortsighted Masai. Make a trade that is in the best interest for the Raptors LONGTERM. We are trusting you lol.

Have you just woken up from a 5 year coma?

I'm willing to trust Masai one last time haha

Fool me once shame on you, fool me 15 times, I need to stop smoking crack

[WuTang_CMB]

Suns board like our guys being offered fwiw .. and of course #9

[Scase]

Suns board like our guys being offered fwiw .. and of course #9

We should be taking a run at Ja if we are going to be throwing our stuff anywhere. Unless we can steal Booker, but that doesn't seem to be a thing.

[WuTang_CMB]

I dont want to give up #9 for 1 year of KD. The only upside is that they believe they have a good young group in Dick, JKW, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai and they think 1-2 could pop. And they probably thinking that the player at 9 isn’t anything special.

Who knows.

Maybe its all for smoke and PHX pumping this out today for all these guys to improve their offers and Masai comes out with someone we arent talking about

I think it’s a bit of everything.

The front office may not value pick #9 that much . Or maybe pick #9 was briefly discussed but with no real substance or firmly offered. But Suns want Houston to give up #10 using informal discussions they had with Toronto.

Should Poeltl be included in a trade maybe Masai and Bobby already has alternatives

Maybe the front office already sour on Quickley and want to move on from that contract without giving too much noise. Or maybe his name was just out there to provide options to the Suns but don’t really want to move him

Maybe the FO like a player later in the draft but #9 is too soon. Maybe they think pick #29 is a good spot

Maybe the FO wants to make sure our season tickets holder renews but they don’t really plan to do a move. But Ed Rogers is bugging the front office to generate more revenues.

I still think that doing NO MOVE, keep #9 and revisit next trade deadline is the boring but arguably more reasonable path here.

Ultamately it sounds like they believe in BI, Scottie and obviously KD to carry them through a weak East. Masai loves value deals .. even if KD is on 1 year, he's shown he's willing to get a rental if its top end production, which KD is. Follow up moves would have to happen like getting a centre, plus our guard play is weak if IQ is gone.