We're also not mid to late 20s like you keep insinuating. If thats the case we arent "team mid" like you keep saying and if we were in that range maybe we dont need to be making a trade...Clutch0z24 wrote:canada_dry wrote:Lets add booker. Donavan mitchell. Bam adebayo etc etc... that middle of the draft... there's always guys to have.HiJiNX wrote:Someone remind me of the draft positions for Steph, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi again?
Didn't know we are drafting 13th, 14th, in the NBA Draft this year....News to me....Last time i checked and most likely we are in the 20s...
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Alperen sengunConSarnit wrote:canada_dry wrote:Lets add booker. Donavan mitchell. Bam adebayo etc etc... that middle of the draft... there's always guys to have.HiJiNX wrote:Someone remind me of the draft positions for Steph, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi again?
Booker: 13th
Mitchell: 13th
Bam: 14th
How do you suggest we draft 13th when we are currently slotted to draft 19th?
To find the type of players you are suggesting you still have to be a play-in team (or worse). We're too good for that draft range.
When we were slated to have picks in that range over the past few years we either A) gave it away for a role player (Poeltl) or B) drafted Dick.
If these late-lotto picks are so valuable why are we giving them away for an average Center?
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canada_dry wrote:We're also not mid to late 20s like you keep insinuating. If thats the case we arent "team mid" like you keep saying and if we were in that range maybe we dont need to be making a trade...Clutch0z24 wrote:canada_dry wrote:Lets add booker. Donavan mitchell. Bam adebayo etc etc... that middle of the draft... there's always guys to have.
Didn't know we are drafting 13th, 14th, in the NBA Draft this year....News to me....Last time i checked and most likely we are in the 20s...We're gonna be in that 17-20 range. And theres still guys to he had in that range. I still consider that closer to the middle.
We could be anywhere from 20-23....If we are 17 that means we had a horrible end to the season and its time to question the team....And like i said and showed in a post a few posts up.....In this area of the draft you are more likely to draft Jokobe Walters of the world than you are to draft Devin Booker like you suggest lol....You have to use historical data and probabilities when talking about the draft not gut feeling or baseless no data points to make a point...
We are a regular season winning team but in the playoffs we maybe able to compete but we are not winning....Thats why we need more talent....To become a playoff winner....
If you are playing the middle like we are trades are how you are expected to move yourself in a different tier since getting a player in this range of the draft that has star power historically is very rare....
If you are playing the middle with a first round exit team and you are not trying to gamble on buy low potental stars on the market wth are you doing? stayin in the middle for what exactly? IQ/Yak/RJ are not players that Bobby/Rogers want to go under the tax for and pay this team as if they are contenders when they are not....Holding onto RJ if you can't find a trade suitor for IQ/Yak means RJ leaves for nothing come free agency because we are not going into the Tax with a first round exit team and im sure Rogers already told Bobby this which is why Bobby is blowing up the phones looking to move them now for an upgrade.

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Clutch0z24 wrote:canada_dry wrote:We're also not mid to late 20s like you keep insinuating. If thats the case we arent "team mid" like you keep saying and if we were in that range maybe we dont need to be making a trade...Clutch0z24 wrote:
Didn't know we are drafting 13th, 14th, in the NBA Draft this year....News to me....Last time i checked and most likely we are in the 20s...We're gonna be in that 17-20 range. And theres still guys to he had in that range. I still consider that closer to the middle.
We could be anywhere from 20-23....If we are 17 that means we had a horrible end to the season and its time to question the team....And like i said and showed in a post a few posts up.....In this area of the draft you are more likely to draft Jokobe Walters of the world than you are to draft Devin Booker like you suggest lol....You have to use historical data and probabilities when talking about the draft not gut feeling or baseless no data points to make a point...
We are a regular season winning team but in the playoffs we maybe able to compete but we are not winning....Thats why we need more talent....To become a playoff winner....
If you are playing the middle like we are trades are how you are expected to move yourself in a different tier since getting a player in this range of the draft that has star power historically is very rare....
If you are playing the middle with a first round exit team and you are not trying to gamble on buy low potental stars on the market wth are you doing? stayin in the middle for what exactly? IQ/Yak/RJ are not players that Bobby/Rogers want to go under the tax for and pay this team as if they are contenders when they are not....Holding onto RJ if you can't find a trade suitor for IQ/Yak means RJ leaves for nothing come free agency because we are not going into the Tax with a first round exit team and im sure Rogers already told Bobby this which is why Bobby is blowing up the phones looking to move them now for an upgrade.
fine if there's an opportunity to upgrade go for it, i just don't feel JA and AD are it.....
sure, if you can get JA for 1 FRP fine, but no more than that
same with AD
i'm not crazy about ditching out 2 FRPs for either JA or AD
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F it, if we can get both Ja and AD while keeping Barnes & BI, go for it.
AD for RJ Jakob GD
Ja for IQ Ochai Mogbo
disperse picks as they may.
That leaves us 2 mill over the tax. Still would have to ship Temple somewhere, convert martin .
Ja/Shead
Walter/Martin/Lawson
BI/Battle
Barnes/Mamu
AD/CMB
AD for RJ Jakob GD
Ja for IQ Ochai Mogbo
disperse picks as they may.
That leaves us 2 mill over the tax. Still would have to ship Temple somewhere, convert martin .
Ja/Shead
Walter/Martin/Lawson
BI/Battle
Barnes/Mamu
AD/CMB

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anotherhomer wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:canada_dry wrote:We're also not mid to late 20s like you keep insinuating. If thats the case we arent "team mid" like you keep saying and if we were in that range maybe we dont need to be making a trade...We're gonna be in that 17-20 range. And theres still guys to he had in that range. I still consider that closer to the middle.
We could be anywhere from 20-23....If we are 17 that means we had a horrible end to the season and its time to question the team....And like i said and showed in a post a few posts up.....In this area of the draft you are more likely to draft Jokobe Walters of the world than you are to draft Devin Booker like you suggest lol....You have to use historical data and probabilities when talking about the draft not gut feeling or baseless no data points to make a point...
We are a regular season winning team but in the playoffs we maybe able to compete but we are not winning....Thats why we need more talent....To become a playoff winner....
If you are playing the middle like we are trades are how you are expected to move yourself in a different tier since getting a player in this range of the draft that has star power historically is very rare....
If you are playing the middle with a first round exit team and you are not trying to gamble on buy low potental stars on the market wth are you doing? stayin in the middle for what exactly? IQ/Yak/RJ are not players that Bobby/Rogers want to go under the tax for and pay this team as if they are contenders when they are not....Holding onto RJ if you can't find a trade suitor for IQ/Yak means RJ leaves for nothing come free agency because we are not going into the Tax with a first round exit team and im sure Rogers already told Bobby this which is why Bobby is blowing up the phones looking to move them now for an upgrade.
fine if there's an opportunity to upgrade go for it, i just don't feel JA and AD are it.....
sure, if you can get JA for 1 FRP fine, but no more than that
same with AD
i'm not crazy about ditching out 2 FRPs for either JA or AD
agreed, I'm down for 1 pick each, that's it. maybe some 2nds

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anotherhomer wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:canada_dry wrote:We're also not mid to late 20s like you keep insinuating. If thats the case we arent "team mid" like you keep saying and if we were in that range maybe we dont need to be making a trade...We're gonna be in that 17-20 range. And theres still guys to he had in that range. I still consider that closer to the middle.
We could be anywhere from 20-23....If we are 17 that means we had a horrible end to the season and its time to question the team....And like i said and showed in a post a few posts up.....In this area of the draft you are more likely to draft Jokobe Walters of the world than you are to draft Devin Booker like you suggest lol....You have to use historical data and probabilities when talking about the draft not gut feeling or baseless no data points to make a point...
We are a regular season winning team but in the playoffs we maybe able to compete but we are not winning....Thats why we need more talent....To become a playoff winner....
If you are playing the middle like we are trades are how you are expected to move yourself in a different tier since getting a player in this range of the draft that has star power historically is very rare....
If you are playing the middle with a first round exit team and you are not trying to gamble on buy low potental stars on the market wth are you doing? stayin in the middle for what exactly? IQ/Yak/RJ are not players that Bobby/Rogers want to go under the tax for and pay this team as if they are contenders when they are not....Holding onto RJ if you can't find a trade suitor for IQ/Yak means RJ leaves for nothing come free agency because we are not going into the Tax with a first round exit team and im sure Rogers already told Bobby this which is why Bobby is blowing up the phones looking to move them now for an upgrade.
fine if there's an opportunity to upgrade go for it, i just don't feel JA and AD are it.....
sure, if you can get JA for 1 FRP fine, but no more than that
same with AD
i'm not crazy about ditching out 2 FRPs for either JA or AD
I think JA/AD are the two on the market right now that if they play to their best ability raise the ceiling the most....Sabonis is another guy but Kings do not like what we are selling....
Trust me if it were up to me id rather have Giannis over all of these players as well but thats not the reality of the trade market or the assets we have considering many teams could outbid us for these kind of players if they hit the market.....
Also you have to look at the cost it most likely won't take 2 FRPs....Im not sure about Davis but im sure picks will also have protections or swaps as well...
I know whats going on behind closed doors not that i have some sources or anything but its pretty obvious if you put 2 and 2 together with all the legit reports out there about Bobby trying really hard to move off these players....
Its not that they are bad players or anything it all comes down to contracts, Money, willingness to go into the tax for an expensive team that is not making Rogers back that money with no deep playoff run....Its obvious Rogers is telling Bobby "RJ is a free agent soon, IQ is on a bad contract for his talent, Yak is on a big deal and has a bad back" I am not going into the tax to pay this team so you need to try and trade them now.
We could try and wait around for different players to become available but what players will that be? Regardless they will all be flawed stars at the end of the day because the players we are trying to trade don't have the best value league wide either....So you kind of have to get what you can.

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DreamTeam09 wrote:F it, if we can get both Ja and AD while keeping Barnes & BI, go for it.
AD for RJ Jakob GD
Ja for IQ Ochai Mogbo
disperse picks as they may.
That leaves us 2 mill over the tax. Still would have to ship Temple somewhere, convert martin .
Ja/Shead
Walter/Martin/Lawson
BI/Battle
Barnes/Mamu
AD/CMB
sign me tf up
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canada_dry wrote:Alperen sengunConSarnit wrote:canada_dry wrote:Lets add booker. Donavan mitchell. Bam adebayo etc etc... that middle of the draft... there's always guys to have.
Booker: 13th
Mitchell: 13th
Bam: 14th
How do you suggest we draft 13th when we are currently slotted to draft 19th?
To find the type of players you are suggesting you still have to be a play-in team (or worse). We're too good for that draft range.
When we were slated to have picks in that range over the past few years we either A) gave it away for a role player (Poeltl) or B) drafted Dick.
If these late-lotto picks are so valuable why are we giving them away for an average Center?
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Quentin Grimes!
Cam Thomas!
Should we start planning the parade route now?
You listed 7 players who have a total of ONE all-star appearance between them.
Seriously, none of the guys you’ve listed here are legit #1 options on a title team, which is of course what we talking about here.
Even if we acquired any of the above for free we wouldn’t be a top tier title contender. You’re really trying to shift the goalposts here.
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TheRaptor! wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:F it, if we can get both Ja and AD while keeping Barnes & BI, go for it.
AD for RJ Jakob GD
Ja for IQ Ochai Mogbo
disperse picks as they may.
That leaves us 2 mill over the tax. Still would have to ship Temple somewhere, convert martin .
Ja/Shead
Walter/Martin/Lawson
BI/Battle
Barnes/Mamu
AD/CMB
sign me tf up
Ja & AD will be risky but if it is possible to have both that potential pairing of Morant/AD would be the perfect duo....Morant with AD as a P&R duo would be very deadly...At that point we would be the favs in the East....But idk how realistic it is at landing both.

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TorontoBarneys wrote:You're not getting a Wemby outside the draft lil bros. I know critical thought is hard for some of you genuinely but that ship already sailed for this core. Enjoy what you have.
No one is getting a Wemby until the 22nd century at the earliest. He’s a once in a century type prospect. He would’ve gone ahead of LeBron if they were in same draft. Ahead of anyone. He is the GOAT basketball prospect. There’s no one like him.
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u know what.....i know i was initially against a JA or AD trade....but i'm starting to see the rationale in it, if the price is right
the price being, Raps help enhance their current 2-3 years window without mortgaging their future beyond 28-29
the price being, Raps help enhance their current 2-3 years window without mortgaging their future beyond 28-29
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Let's get Jock Landale into the Morant trade if it happens for us.
On a 1 year 2mill contract absolutely balling out, the guy is a unit and averaging a career best 3pt%. He won't play once Edey is healthy anyway.
If Memphis wanna rip it up and tank we can help them
On a 1 year 2mill contract absolutely balling out, the guy is a unit and averaging a career best 3pt%. He won't play once Edey is healthy anyway.
If Memphis wanna rip it up and tank we can help them

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canada_dry wrote:Alperen sengunConSarnit wrote:canada_dry wrote:Lets add booker. Donavan mitchell. Bam adebayo etc etc... that middle of the draft... there's always guys to have.
Booker: 13th
Mitchell: 13th
Bam: 14th
How do you suggest we draft 13th when we are currently slotted to draft 19th?
To find the type of players you are suggesting you still have to be a play-in team (or worse). We're too good for that draft range.
When we were slated to have picks in that range over the past few years we either A) gave it away for a role player (Poeltl) or B) drafted Dick.
If these late-lotto picks are so valuable why are we giving them away for an average Center?
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If it were only that easy. You wouldn’t need trades or the salary cap. Cause teams just know how to draft all-stars every year with mid to late first round picks. If you draft over a 10 year span for every all-star you probably whiff on 9 not being an all-star. Question is do you get the booker in year 1 or year 9.
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Truthrising wrote:
Why you spreading propaganda. Ja is washed up! He can’t play anymore.
Magic just got smoked by the Grizzlies. Ja +26.
Not going to judge on one game, but point is Ja can ball.
Also check out this stat. Quickley has never had more than 20 games of 10 assists in his career. Ja has 80. Quickley has played 364 games. Ja has played 325. Yikes
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TheRaptor! wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:F it, if we can get both Ja and AD while keeping Barnes & BI, go for it.
AD for RJ Jakob GD
Ja for IQ Ochai Mogbo
disperse picks as they may.
That leaves us 2 mill over the tax. Still would have to ship Temple somewhere, convert martin .
Ja/Shead
Walter/Martin/Lawson
BI/Battle
Barnes/Mamu
AD/CMB
sign me tf up
That team gets shut down by a simple zone defense
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anotherhomer wrote:u know what.....i know i was initially against a JA or AD trade....but i'm starting to see the rationale in it, if the price is right
the price being, Raps help enhance their current 2-3 years window without mortgaging their future beyond 28-29
Exactly. What’s your upside over the next 2-3 years with status quo and a few picks.
Which is why I keep telling people. Rather have the ceiling of a 60 win team and downside of a 40 win team as to just be a 50 win team.
If Raps can get AD and Ja and the cost is anyone outside of Barnes, CMB, Ingram and Shead and capped at two firsts and maybe a few seconds you do it!
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Clutch0z24 wrote:TheRaptor! wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:F it, if we can get both Ja and AD while keeping Barnes & BI, go for it.
AD for RJ Jakob GD
Ja for IQ Ochai Mogbo
disperse picks as they may.
That leaves us 2 mill over the tax. Still would have to ship Temple somewhere, convert martin .
Ja/Shead
Walter/Martin/Lawson
BI/Battle
Barnes/Mamu
AD/CMB
sign me tf up
Ja & AD will be risky but if it is possible to have both that potential pairing of Morant/AD would be the perfect duo....Morant with AD as a P&R duo would be very deadly...At that point we would be the favs in the East....But idk how realistic it is at landing both.
Morant shoots around 30% off catch and shoot threes. His specialty is transition offense and half court slashing - usually with 3/4 guys spreading the floor. As compared to our games, where the paint is always cluttered with defenders.
Davis hasn’t shot over 30% from 3 for the past eight years. And is also a mid-range/low post player. Ingram is a mid-range player. Scottie’s a mid-range low post guy.
Then in order to attain AD/Morant, we need to trade two of our best 3 point shooters in RJ and IQ (+ other assets)
So why whine about how we can’t shoot in the other thread, when your wish is to destroy our team’s shooting even more? You really think a team that can’t shoot is gonna be favs in the East? We’ll get burned alive by Boston/Philly’s guards.
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RoteSchroder wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:TheRaptor! wrote:
sign me tf up
Ja & AD will be risky but if it is possible to have both that potential pairing of Morant/AD would be the perfect duo....Morant with AD as a P&R duo would be very deadly...At that point we would be the favs in the East....But idk how realistic it is at landing both.
Morant shoots around 30% off catch and shoot threes. His specialty is transition offense and half court slashing - usually with 3/4 guys spreading the floor. As compared to our games, where the paint is always cluttered with defenders.
Davis hasn’t shot over 30% from 3 for the past eight years. And is also a mid-range/low post player. Ingram is a mid-range player. Scottie’s a mid-range low post guy.
Then in order to attain AD/Morant, we need to trade two of our best 3 point shooters in RJ and IQ (+ other assets)
So why whine about how we can’t shoot in the other thread, when your wish is to destroy our team’s shooting even more? You really think a team that can’t shoot is gonna be favs in the East? We’ll get burned alive by Boston/Philly’s guards.
Talent upgrade + guys who can create their own offense ....Both Davis/Morant shown in their careers they are very capable at creating their own shots at a pretty elite rate....
We are the worst shooting team with IQ/RJ ON the team as is....Trading them for Morant/Davis two guys who are 100x the talent and have 100x the skills at 100 + things than IQ/RJ is worth it...
Never said getting these two will make us an elite shooting team did i? We suck at 3 point shooting as is....Getting an Elite rim protector, Elite defender, Elite offensive player who is a top 10 when healthy, A 100x better PG than IQ who can run the team way better in Morant = a better team with a way higher ceiling especially in the playoffs...
Right now we are a mid team and not much of a ceiling because IQ/Barrett are what they are and not changing the ceiling of this team because they are not as talented as JA/AD and if you say otherwise idk what to tell ya bud....








