The real reasons we lost last night

[Grizzled]

No one said it was the be all and end all, but anyone who can

[KG1585]

If I were a PG that only passed it to the scorers (and only the scorers).. i can easily rack up assist numbers.. but that does not necessarily mean I have good court vision

Isn't that the job of the PG, to get the ball to the scorers?

Jose can't throw a lob pass to save his life, while Nash completes at least 2 every game. This was the case in Dallas before the super-athletes, too.

Funny, I remember seeing Jose throw plenty of Lobs to Bosh, of back screens. I also remember Jose throwing lobs from half court to Bargs last year.

[Cassius]

What you

[reck0n3r]

Just look at our starting wing's production compared to some of the teams in the east:


WASHINGTON
30.4 PPG
7.8 ASTS

DETROIT:

31.8 PPG
7.4 ASTS

ORLANDO:
29.7 PPG
5.3 ASTS

BOSTON:

39.9 PPG
8.1 ASTS

NEW JERSEY

46.2 PPG
7.5 ASTS


....


TORONTO:

18.3 PPG
2.6 ASTS

Wow.

[Cassius]

Funny, I remember seeing Jose throw plenty of Lobs to Bosh, of back screens. I also remember Jose throwing lobs from half court to Bargs last year.

The majority of Jose's lobs end up as caught balls followed by the player landing and going up for a dunk/layup.

[magani]

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The majority of Jose's lobs end up as caught balls followed by the player landing and going up for a dunk/layup.

Nothing like a good late-night cyber in-your-face comeback. (Is the green font necessary here?)

[Bryans_Collar]

I agree with OP

I'm still holding out hope we get this resolved in the draft this year .... hey, Jefferson and Rip both went in the middle of the 1st round right?

The top 15 on espn's mock draft is heavy with centers ... maybe we can luck out and get a quality wing that falls

[Death Knight]

At the end of the season, at their current averages (8.2 assists for Jose to 12.3 for Nash) Nash will have set up 320 more scores than Jose.

The Raptors have played 33 games. TJ has missed 16 games this season, giving Jose only 17 games of starters minutes. Calderon is actually averaging 9.2 assists in those 17 games. That would be 4th in the NBA. Right now he is sitting at 6.

No one is saying Calderon is Steve Nash. Heck, not even Chris Paul is like Steve Nash just yet. Chris Paul is only averaging 10.4 assists compared to Nash's 12.3.

The majority of Jose's lobs end up as caught balls followed by the player landing and going up for a dunk/layup.

Just because you say so doesn't mean it is true. I can remember a lot of lobs that Bosh and Moon finished in the air.

Stop being a hater...........

[Cassius]

Nothing like a good late-night cyber in-your-face comeback. (Is the green font necessary here?)

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.

I stayed in to watch the Steelers game. What's your excuse?

[Cassius]

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No one is saying Calderon is Steve Nash. Heck, not even Chris Paul is like Steve Nash just yet. Chris Paul is only averaging 10.4 assists compared to Nash's 12.3.

Hey,

This whole tangent was caused because the other guy was trying to say that A/TO is a good indication of court vision. I'm using the QB stats to show that ratios aren't necessarily a good indicator of vision.

And regarding the lobs... I'm tougher on Jose on the board because of the general one-sidedness of the whole PG debate. I'd be a lot more critical of Ford's flaws if this rotation wasn't what it is.

[deknow]

No one said it was the be all and end all, but anyone who can

[Death Knight]

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Period end of story.

Really it baffles me when Mitchell and other players say Canada is still learning the game but with guys like Grizzled and Death Knight I see why that misconception still persists.

lol...If baffles me how you think you know basketball when in fact you don't. Or maybe you do, but you don't know how to convey that message or express your basketball knowledge on a message board properly.

It is pretty clear that you aren't at my level just yet. Ask around and see who makes more sense. My posts vs your posts......

[Death Knight]

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Hey,

This whole tangent was caused because the other guy was trying to say that A/TO is a good indication of court vision. I'm using the QB stats to show that ratios aren't necessarily a good indicator of vision.

And regarding the lobs... I'm tougher on Jose on the board because of the general one-sidedness of the whole PG debate. I'd be a lot more critical of Ford's flaws if this rotation wasn't what it is.

You have made the wrong decision then. Ford is the more talented pg and is the starting pg. You should expect more from your starting pg than your back up pg regardless of how one sided the opinions of this forum makes it out to be.

At first, the Jose fanboys and hate for TJ was getting out of hand. But slowly and surely, the TJ fanboys have become just as bad as the Jose fanboys to the point that both sides make ridiculous comments and unjustified points.

Don't let the board make decisions for you or become a yes man around these boards.

[seanied]

Bosh, who is a ball-stopper on offence when he catches and waits for the defence to react, spent far too much time waiting for something to develop rather than making something happen.

My hunch is that CB is the key to our wing men playing better. He gets off easy because he's the best player on the team, but here's a guy who routinely attracts the attention of the defense, and has some of the best shooting guards in the league around him, but he averages 2 assists a game. Almost every time he receives the ball he spends a couple of seconds sizing up the situation, then, more often or not he takes an 18-footer even after announcing that "we have to attack the basket" in the pre-game show. I believe our wing men will improve when CB's court vision improves. And when that happens, when defenses start worrying about Bosh hitting our open wing men, Bosh will get more opportunities to drive to the basket.

[rdtx2005]

caldy backer ridiculousness still outweigh the flipside

[RapsVC15]

Bosh has got to start driving the **** ball. This is getting "Carteresque" with the way he just keeps settling for that 20 footer. Listening to his pregame interview on ESPN discussing how this team's new philosophy is to pound the ball and when the game starts Bosh completely contradicts himself and starts chucking up contested 20 foot bricks. This is getting ridiculous with Bosh.

[Tommy Gun]

Bosh has got to start driving the **** ball. This is getting "Carteresque" with the way he just keeps settling for that 20 footer. Listening to his pregame interview on ESPN discussing how this team's new philosophy is to pound the ball and when the game starts Bosh completely contradicts himself and starts chucking up contested 20 foot bricks. This is getting ridiculous with Bosh.

Except that he is getting to the line at a career high rate this year. Add to that the fact that NO ONE else on this team is able to penetrate inside and disrupt the opposing team's D and that teams just sit on Bosh waiting for him in the paint and it becomes pretty obvious why he needs to continue to shoot a reasonable amount of jump shots.

[curryfries]

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Except that he is getting to the line at a career high rate this year. Add to that the fact that NO ONE else on this team is able to penetrate inside and disrupt the opposing team's D and that teams just sit on Bosh waiting for him in the paint and it becomes pretty obvious why he needs to continue to shoot a reasonable amount of jump shots.

Problem is he is to inconsistent in attacking, one game he shoots 26 FT the next game he shoots none and even through most games he can be seen attacking one quarter and jump shooting the next two and then returning to attacking most times when we have already lost.

His numbers show overall that he gets to the line, but its just not consistent enough from game to game and from quarter to quarter and especially during big games or when the game is on the line.

[Tommy Gun]

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Problem is he is to inconsistent in attacking, one game he shoots 26 FT the next game he shoots none and even through most games he can be seen attacking one quarter and jump shooting the next two and then returning to attacking most times when we have already lost.

His numbers show overall that he gets to the line, but its just not consistent enough from game to game and from quarter to quarter and especially during big games or when the game is on the line.

Oh please Contender, NO ONE attacks all the time. There isnt a player in the league that doesnt settle. Especially the player who is the ONLY one on the team who can attack and grab boards. At some point you cant do anymore. Look at KG, he is almost purely a jump shooter but surround him with good enough players and it isnt even noticeable. I love how easily you are able to ignore stats and insert your own subjective commentary when judging Bosh and Bargs. Its really amazing.

[deknow]

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Oh please Contender, NO ONE attacks all the time. There isnt a player in the league that doesnt settle. Especially the player who is the ONLY one on the team who can attack and grab boards. At some point you cant do anymore. Look at KG, he is almost purely a jump shooter but surround him with good enough players and it isnt even noticeable. I love how easily you are able to ignore stats and insert your own subjective commentary when judging Bosh and Bargs. Its really amazing.

Its knowing when to attack and when to take the jumper. With 5 mins left in a game 18fters should be the last thing you want on offense. LBJ understands this and I guarantee we will see this on display today