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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1401 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:19 pm

JN wrote:Jared Sullinger 27pts, 16 reb as a freshmen for the number one team in the country. At what point do we start to consider him -- if at all?

I don't see us drafting him if Kanter/Valanciunas are still on the board. Those two aren't undersized the way Jared is.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1402 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:25 pm

JN wrote:Jared Sullinger 27pts, 16 reb as a freshmen for the number one team in the country. At what point do we start to consider him -- if at all?


We consider him from 3 down, though I have to believe Kanter and Valanciunas are the better bets with Bargnani on our team
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1403 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:35 pm

I'm pretty confused on the direction we should take in the draft.. Cos.. in one way, I'd really love a 3.. like Jones, but having Derozan another athletic slashing type could be redundant.... Probably the best option would be Kyle at the point, but at the same time I feel we need another real player in the frontcourt... So I'm confused, who knows who we are going to choose!
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1404 » by JN » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:40 pm

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JN wrote:Jared Sullinger 27pts, 16 reb as a freshmen for the number one team in the country. At what point do we start to consider him -- if at all?


We consider him from 3 down, though I have to believe Kanter and Valanciunas are the better bets with Bargnani on our team


Yep, we already have the player who is a bad fit in any lineup, so we can't take a player who is slightly below typical for that position even if he is the best player.

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1405 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:42 pm

What do y'all think of a Davis-Sullinger frontcourt?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1406 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:46 pm

I'm still thinking we end up 4th or 5th from the bottom. If anyone's wondering, here are some odds tabulations

4th from the bottom

Top 1% - .119
Top 2% - .245
Top 3% - .378
Top 4% - .477
Top 5% - .828
Top 6% - .988
Top 7% - 100%

It's actually far more likely we get 5th (.351) than 4th (.099).

5th from the bottom:
Top 1% - .088
Top 2% - .185
Top 3% - .292
Top 4% - .292
Top 5% - .553
Top 6% - .913
Top 7% - .996
Top 8% - 100%

Chance of 6th is .360, chance of 5th is .261

My gut guess is we end up with the 4th or 5th pick and get Kanter or Valanciunas. Irving and Perry go top 2, then either we have #4 and take one of Kanter or V., or we have #5 and someone ahead of us takes a Sullinger, Terrence Jones, Selby, etc. In any case we pick the defensive center to put beside Bargnani. It is plausible though that we pick 5 and the top 4 is Irving, Perry, Kanter, V., and then we take Terrence Jones 5th
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1407 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:48 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:I like a Kemba Walker / Demar Derozan backout. We are going to the FT line early & often...


I see where you're coming from on this but I don't think we can risk drafting a scoring point guard as our leader of the future just because we don't have anyone else who can handle the ball in the mold of Lamar Odom, Brandon Roy, Tyreke Evans, etc. Kemba would be the only guy who could create and a lot of that would be for himself which leads to a stagnant offense as opposed to guys like Irving or Knight who create for themselves but even more for their teammates.


Thats if you believe Kemba can't lead an offense. Kicking after penetrating instead of looking to score is summin a lot of gaurds have trouble doing coming out. He's down to 3ast this yr but he was up at 5ast last.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1408 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:01 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I'm still thinking we end up 4th or 5th from the bottom. If anyone's wondering, here are some odds tabulations

4th from the bottom

Top 1% - .119
Top 2% - .245
Top 3% - .378
Top 4% - .477
Top 5% - .828
Top 6% - .988
Top 7% - 100%

It's actually far more likely we get 5th (.351) than 4th (.099).

5th from the bottom:
Top 1% - .088
Top 2% - .185
Top 3% - .292
Top 4% - .292
Top 5% - .553
Top 6% - .913
Top 7% - .996
Top 8% - 100%

Chance of 6th is .360, chance of 5th is .261

My gut guess is we end up with the 4th or 5th pick and get Kanter or Valanciunas. Irving and Perry go top 2, then either we have #4 and take one of Kanter or V., or we have #5 and someone ahead of us takes a Sullinger, Terrence Jones, Selby, etc. In any case we pick the defensive center to put beside Bargnani. It is plausible though that we pick 5 and the top 4 is Irving, Perry, Kanter, V., and then we take Terrence Jones 5th



At this point is a good idea to keep losing like we are losing.. I believe Was and Sacramento have the talent to win more than us ... maybe even NJ.. Only team that I consider really weaker than us in every aspect is Cleveland.. Time to lose every game :lol:
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1409 » by Silk Wilkes » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:08 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:What do y'all think of a Davis-Sullinger frontcourt?


I think it's extremely short.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1410 » by JN » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:18 pm

Our frontcourt will always give "short" results and play "short" if Bargs is part of it.
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Post#1411 » by Reef » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:19 pm

I'm guesisng Kanter would play PF which is the position we least need (Amir + Davis). I guess we still take the BPA and consider a trade?
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Kemba Walker? 

Post#1412 » by barryallen » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:20 pm

What do you guys think of him? I just went over to DraftExpress and saw that we were pegged to have the 6th pick which has us picking Kemba. I haven't had a chance to see any UConn games so maybe someone can provide some insight on his game.

The write up on DraftExpress has definitely piqued my interest on this kid.

"Walker was projected as a lottery pick going into the season, and he's rising even further up our draft board following his impressive start. He's now solidly in the top 10 and is rated as the draft's second-best point guard after Kyrie Irving. Once drafted, he'll be one of the fastest players in the NBA, and he already looks ready to step in from Day 1 and help run a team, which is something that can't be dismissed."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kemba-Walker-5152/
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1413 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:23 pm

Kanter seems like small C. Guys like Nene and Horford aren't much bigger. You don't need to be 7'0 to play C, it's more about being thick enough which Kanter has

And besides, a PF sized guy who plays like a C and anchors a defense is exactly what we're looking for beside Bargnani
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Post#1414 » by Reef » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:28 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Kanter seems like small C. Guys like Nene and Horford aren't much bigger. You don't need to be 7'0 to play C, it's more about being thick enough which Kanter has

And besides, a PF sized guy who plays like a C and anchors a defense is exactly what we're looking for beside Bargnani


Does he have the type of defense to anchor a team though? I haven't seen him play. I doubt he can be better on defense than Davis. I can see Davis being a 15-11 guy in his prime, like an Antonio Davis. I'd rather let him develop and trade Kanter for someone who can plug our holes at a SF or PG.
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Re: Kemba Walker? 

Post#1415 » by Reef » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:29 pm

barryallen wrote:What do you guys think of him? I just went over to DraftExpress and saw that we were pegged to have the 6th pick which has us picking Kemba. I haven't had a chance to see any UConn games so maybe someone can provide some insight on his game.

The write up on DraftExpress has definitely piqued my interest on this kid.

"Walker was projected as a lottery pick going into the season, and he's rising even further up our draft board following his impressive start. He's now solidly in the top 10 and is rated as the draft's second-best point guard after Kyrie Irving. Once drafted, he'll be one of the fastest players in the NBA, and he already looks ready to step in from Day 1 and help run a team, which is something that can't be dismissed."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kemba-Walker-5152/


I think the size issue is overrated. If he has a long wingspan, and good strength it should be ok. The main thing is can he run a team and not be a chucker? From what I've read, he kind of had to focus more on his scoring this season since UCONN lost a lot of key players last year.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1416 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:31 pm

Man, just go with BPA lol. Seriously, I don't have a good read on this draft at all.

I just want the Raptors to select Kyrie Irving. That's it for me. I'd be okay with a BPA pick, but my preference is for Kyrie Irving to be the starting PG for the Raptors come opening night. Everybody else is kind of "meh" to me at this point.

The 2012 draft, OTOH, is a different story. There are a lot of quality prospects, potentially, that can be had throughout the lottery (picks 1-14).

This year's draft bottoms out after the top 5 imo, where T. Jones, Vesely, Burks, Kemba Walker, etc. have similar value as prospects. But, I do think that there will value to be had towards the end of the 1st rd.(picks 20-30) and into the 2nd rd.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1417 » by elmer_yuck » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:38 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Kanter seems like small C. Guys like Nene and Horford aren't much bigger. You don't need to be 7'0 to play C, it's more about being thick enough which Kanter has

And besides, a PF sized guy who plays like a C and anchors a defense is exactly what we're looking for beside Bargnani


Let's stop with this finding someone to play beside Bargnani.
I want someone to play instead of Bargnani.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1418 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:38 pm

Reef wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Kanter seems like small C. Guys like Nene and Horford aren't much bigger. You don't need to be 7'0 to play C, it's more about being thick enough which Kanter has

And besides, a PF sized guy who plays like a C and anchors a defense is exactly what we're looking for beside Bargnani


Does he have the type of defense to anchor a team though? I haven't seen him play. I doubt he can be better on defense than Davis. I can see Davis being a 15-11 guy in his prime, like an Antonio Davis. I'd rather let him develop and trade Kanter for someone who can plug our holes at a SF or PG.


Well Davis and Kanter could play together and give us a REALLY good defensive frontcourt. And maybe we move out Bargs a few years down the road Kevin Martin, Al Jefferson style

Kanter is > Davis, he has way more offensive upside and a presumed ability to play C will make him more valuable than Davis who is strictly a defensive PF. Anyways if we land in the 3 spot or w/e, there's no problem taking Kanter and fitting him in beside Davis and Bargnani with Amir as the bench guy - and then seeing what we have after a few years
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1419 » by fredericklove » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:45 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Man, just go with BPA lol. Seriously, I don't have a good read on this draft at all.

I just want the Raptors to select Kyrie Irving. That's it for me. I'd be okay with a BPA pick, but my preference is for Kyrie Irving to be the starting PG for the Raptors come opening night. Everybody else is kind of "meh" to me at this point.

The 2012 draft, OTOH, is a different story. There are a lot of quality prospects, potentially, that can be had throughout the lottery (picks 1-14).

This year's draft bottoms out after the top 5 imo, where T. Jones, Vesely, Burks, Kemba Walker, etc. have similar value as prospects. But, I do think that there will value to be had towards the end of the 1st rd.(picks 20-30) and into the 2nd rd.


I agree with the 2012 draft a la river gilchrist and miller especially if Drummond declares as well. I feel like this year is the same as last year where after John Wall a.k.a this year's Irving everything else becomes an uncertainty. I just hope we can get a steal again in 2011.

I don't mind drafting kanter. It would be an interesting idea if we draft him and trade bargnani (LOL...wishing thinking) ...sullinger looks good but he plays PF...so does Ed (sigh)
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1420 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:47 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Man, just go with BPA lol. Seriously, I don't have a good read on this draft at all.

I just want the Raptors to select Kyrie Irving. That's it for me. I'd be okay with a BPA pick, but my preference is for Kyrie Irving to be the starting PG for the Raptors come opening night. Everybody else is kind of "meh" to me at this point.


The 2012 draft, OTOH, is a different story. There are a lot of quality prospects, potentially, that can be had throughout the lottery (picks 1-14).

This year's draft bottoms out after the top 5 imo, where T. Jones, Vesely, Burks, Kemba Walker, etc. have similar value as prospects. But, I do think that there will value to be had towards the end of the 1st rd.(picks 20-30) and into the 2nd rd.


The guys I'd get excited for are Irving, Perry Jones, and Kanter. I'd be happy-but-not-excited for a SF like T. Jones, Vesely, Henson. I know I'm getting a defensive improvement and Demar fit with those guys, but good role player seems like their billing. Picking Valanciunas would scare the **** out of me. There's a big difference between the thick big man who shows great post feel and fundamentals in Kanter, and the super tall and skinny athletic guy with no offensive game in Valanciunas, for me. Valanciunas could work out but I'd be terrified of getting the tallest guy on the court who has no feel for the game and keeps fouling everyone. As for Kemba, I might have to take a break from RealGM if we take him, I can see exactly where 6'0 scoring PG who lit it up in his junior year is going and it's not a pretty sight, we might as well trade our pick for Jonny **** Flynn
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