Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[Totem]

How is trading our longest contract (DD), and biggest dead weight ($22M/2 yrs for Bargs) for a $23 M expiring that might even be attached to a individual with a pulse a short sighted move?

Sheesh. I'd do this trade in a heartbeat, even if Pau never reported to TO. The point, IMHO, is not to get a productive PF (which we may or may not get in Pau) the point is to get rid of our major salary commitments without having to throw in picks or Acy, Ross or Amir.

We do this trade, we amnesty Kleiza, and suddenly we've got a much cleaner salary cap commitment.

So what are you going to do with this cap space. Good free agents don't sign with bad teams. Some of you are seriously delusional.

And memo to Double Helix: When has Ujiri walked away from an asset? He could have walked away from Javale McGee, and didn't. He could have walked away from Wilson Chandler, and didn't. He isn't going to give DeMar away for nothing.

This is such an ill-conceived idea. Usually you make more sense than this.

But you need to give up an asset to get anything back from a Bargs trade.

This makes sense on so many levels. The freed up capspace would help us tackle on bad contracts for picks if we still remain a bad team. And if we do become a good team it would help us retain our core and add the necessary pieces to get better.

And I could see lakers doing this since Kobe is coming back from an injury and they need a proven sg to take some of his minutes and help transition to a post kobe era if he retires. And like most of us were saying, if their is one player that can hide Bargs weakness it's dwight, I wager he looks like a slightly worse version of Ryan anderson. Even so I think the lakers might look at this as a plan C since it ruins their chance to bid on the tantalizing 2014 FA.

[tms]

Other restricted targets you could try to overspend to get with some of that Pau Gasol money beyond Cousins include:

Restricted:
Demarcus Cousins
Greg Monroe
Derrick Favors
Larry Sanders

Unrestricted Free Agents
Chris Bosh
Marcin Gortat
Amare Stoudamire
Andrew Bogut
Zach Randolph
Pau Gasol
Tim Duncan

AYFKM? holy moly, dude. we srsly dumping Demar whos locked up at 10per and will prob be in his prime when the window opens just so we can drop 17per at the feet of Favors or Monroe (Sanders lol)?! no disrespect but i think u answered ur own question, man. i also think its silly to look at any of the more established names; chances r the players wholl be coveted havent emerged yet (like Paul George this year)... but i.d still run from this idea. its pretty much impossible to plan for. granted, i dont believe in buliding through FA at all, Toronto or not: Miami 2010 was an anomaly and may never be replicated (even theyr lookin a bit worn, arent they? and its been 3 yrs!); and the only time any team 'loses' an RFA is when they dont want him anymore- which isnt exactly an endorsement when it happens.

i.d seriously take Demar Derozan over most of those names today- much less two years from now when half of em will be on injured reserve, if not retired, while Demar will be increasingly productive as he munches away at the money owed on his extension. fk, get rid of him if u want- but i sure hope theres a better market for him than that.

[Rapcity_11]

No chance the Lakers want anything to do with that. None.

[Double Helix]

FWIW, I have in the past suggested Jose perhaps being traded for Tyson Chandler (before it happened and was then cancelled) and also proposed earlier this year that Quincy Acy had likely shown enough to cause management to start shopping Ed Davis in deals and he was moved a month or two later.

The Gasol/Bargs rumor started as a hypothetical deal on this board first and then became a legit rumor later. People seem to be forgetting that there was a time last year when Pau Gasol thought it was about to go down. LA is more interested in Bargs than many seem to think. They pulled out mostly because he was hurt and they wanted to at least see how the team looked when everyone was together. When something makes some sense for two teams for more than one reason all it takes is a phone call for both parties to see the same things that are being discussed in this thread right now.

Who is going to give LA more than that for a 1 year rental of Pau? Who are we going to get in a Bargs deal that makes more sense for this current core than Pau Gasol? Who's a better mentor for Jonas than Pau Gasol? What's a better way to judge this team's upside than going in on a move like this that has an out clause afterward with Pau's contract expiring? If it fails you rebuild and tank. If it works you could either offer Pau a 3 yr deal and hope he plays like KG/Duncan in his later age, or more preferably perhaps, target a younger replacement with a ton of money.

[VinBaker6]

There's no way I'd give up DD in a trade like that.

[Troubadour]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

[Totem]

FWIW, I have in the past suggested Jose perhaps being traded for Tyson Chandler (before it happened and was then cancelled) and also proposed earlier this year that Quincy Acy had likely shown enough to cause management to start shopping Ed Davis in deals and he was moved a month or two later.

The Gasol/Bargs rumor started as a hypothetical deal on this board first and then became a legit rumor later. When something makes some sense for two teams for more than one reason all it takes is a phone call for both parties to see the same things that are being discussed in this thread right now.

Who is going to give LA more than that for a 1 year rental of Pau? Who are we going to get in a Bargs deal that makes more sense for this current core than Pau Gasol? Who's a better mentor for Jonas than Pau Gasol? What's a better way to judge this team's upside than going in on a move like this that has an out clause afterward with Pau's contract expiring? If it fails you rebuild and tank. If it works you could either offer Pau a 3 yr deal and hope he plays like KG/Duncan in his later age, or more preferably perhaps, target a younger replacement with a ton of money.

2014 looks really interesting, I know this might sound like a pipe dream but this team is set up perfectly for a stretch big like Dirk.

[Double Helix]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

If Bargs didn't work out his contract expires in 2014 too so they'd have his big expiring as an option as well.

I'm sure Mike Dantoni will be watching Bargs closely on team Italy this summer.

[Totem]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

They might if Dwight re-signs

[Troubadour]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

They might if Dwight re-signs

At this point, that's a very big if. The Lakers may as well make a run at LeBron in 2014.

[Totem]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

They might if Dwight re-signs

At this point, that's a very big if. The Lakers may as well make a run at LeBron in 2014.

Yup, But if lebron decides to leave miami it's for Cleveland. But I guess you're right It'd be stupid to not try at least.

[Troubadour]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

If Bargs didn't work out his contract expires in 2014 too so they'd have his big expiring as an option as well.

I'm sure Mike Dantoni will be watching Bargs closely on team Italy this summer.

No, it doesn't. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm

You usually make very strong points and I enjoy many of your threads, but you're way off on this one. What do the Lakers have to gain from trading Pau Gasol for Andrea Bargnani? For all intents and purposes, Gasol is the better fit for that team. He is a better scorer and passer on a much better contract for their situation. On top of that, you're much more likely to win with Gasol than Bargnani.

Oh, and Kobe would want nothing to do with Bargnani. There's that to consider.

[dacrusha]

One would use a player like DD in a one-for-one deal to get a better fit for our team or a pick.

Throwing him in as a mere 'sweetener' in a trade between two PFs that no one wants is a complete waste of his value as an asset.

[Troubadour]

They might if Dwight re-signs

At this point, that's a very big if. The Lakers may as well make a run at LeBron in 2014.

Yup, But if lebron decides to leave miami it's for Cleveland. But I guess you're right It'd be stupid to not try at least.

It would be even dumber not to try because D'Antoni wanted to see if Bargnani would pan out.

[Rapcity_11]

DH - You're really missing the point that the package you proposed is a worse option for the Lakers compared to keeping Gasol.

[Double Helix]

Lakers won't give up their shot at cap space in 2014.

If Bargs didn't work out his contract expires in 2014 too so they'd have his big expiring as an option as well.

I'm sure Mike Dantoni will be watching Bargs closely on team Italy this summer.

No, it doesn't. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm

You usually make very strong points and I enjoy many of your threads, but you're way off on this one. What do the Lakers have to gain from trading Pau Gasol for Andrea Bargnani? For all intents and purposes, Gasol is the better fit for that team. He is a better scorer and passer on a much better contract for their situation. On top of that, you're much more likely to win with Gasol than Bargnani.

Oh, and Kobe would want nothing to do with Bargnani. There's that to consider.

You're right about his deal. Forgot that it went 1 year beyond next.

They already expressed interest in Bargnani. Just because we know him well and dislike him doesn't mean that he doesn't have some fans in the league. It only takes on person to think they can turn him around in a different situation where he's under less pressure and his strengths are maximized.

[darth_federer]

DH - You're really missing the point that the package you proposed is a worse option for the Lakers compared to keeping Gasol.

Yep. Gasol had triple doubles in 4 out of the last 6 games despite struggling with injuries. He also played well down the stretch. There is no way the Lakers take on Bargnani and/or Derozan for Gasol. They're looking to clear cap space for Lebron in 2014.

[Troubadour]

Just because a team expresses interest in a player doesn't mean they're willing to sacrifice a much more valuable asset to get him. The Lakers can get draft picks, cap space, and a serviceable centre in return for Gasol. (Cavs - Varejao, Picks 19, 31, 33). That deal makes way more sense for both teams.

[MikeM]

I'd make that trade. D'Antoni obviously can't help himself when faced with a big pansy at the PF spot like Bargnani so LAL will do it.

Use the MLE on Redick. Convince Jose to come back to play with his buddy Gasol for the small exception. Jose will do it because he wants our affection again.

Lowry/Jose
Redick/Ross/Anderson
Gay/Fields/Kleiza
Gasol/Amir/Acy
Valanciunas/Gray/Acy

Best Raptors team of all time.

[Double Helix]

DH - You're really missing the point that the package you proposed is a worse option for the Lakers compared to keeping Gasol.

Yep. Gasol had triple doubles in 4 out of the last 6 games despite struggling with injuries. He also played well down the stretch. There is no way the Lakers take on Bargnani and/or Derozan for Gasol. They're looking to clear cap space for Lebron in 2014.

Why were they interested in the first place to such an extent that even Pau Gasol thought he might be traded?

Was Jose thaat beloved by LA? Was his expiring that beloved? Doesn't it seem like they will be thinking about life after Kobe? Wouldn't they value having a lifetime Lakers fan and hometown guy on their team that's getting set to enter his prime years?

What happened in LA this year didn't work for them. Will they risk the same again?

I'm about to crash so I can't respond to anything else tonight.