With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[mdenny]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

I watched 2 quarters of the magic game. Trust me bro....we'd be having a full-on meltdown with Sugg's performance.

Scottie is doingalot of good things despite the statline. Suggs looks almost unplayable right now. And it's not just a matter of missing shots. He looks slow...his handle isn't nba-ready. The only thing passable in his game is defense. Scottie's performance at least inspires alot of optimism.

[vulture]

https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/3-nba-rookie-opening-night-hot-takes

We could say the same for Barnes, who can legitimately play all five positions on the floor on both ends. He committed six turnovers on opening night, but two observations there: He sported a 3-to-1 turnover ratio in the preseason, a sign of his passing acumen; and the Raptors have to be thrilled by seeing a more aggressive version of Barnes, given that a lack of offensive aggression was one of the main concerns about him. Paradoxically, turnovers can be a bullish sign for a young playmaker.

Of course, his versatility on both ends is a major selling point. Even if he doesn’t develop as a shooter, there’s still a path for Barnes to be an NBA All-Star in mode of the Ben Simmons (with personality being a plus in Barnes’ case). If Barnes does find a jumper, he’ll likely be on a superstar path.

[ciueli]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

Assists are dictated by guys making shots he made 4-5 passes that should've been assists.

Players don't shoot 100% from the field, some passes that could be assists wind up not being assists due to the player missing the shot. Do other players get credited for making good passes that don't lead to baskets?

Also he had an And 1 taken away from him also a couple of rebounds that wasn't awarded. Also 3 blocks that were called fouls. He should've had a 15p/6as/11rb/1st/3bl game, refs gave him a hard time and did not respect him.

It's like you've never watched an NBA game before. Players don't get every call, even the superstars don't get every call, you expect a rookie in his first game to get every call?

[hype_2004]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

Assists are dictated by guys making shots he made 4-5 passes that should've been assists.

Players don't shoot 100% from the field, some passes that could be assists wind up not being assists due to the player missing the shot. Do other players get credited for making good passes that don't lead to baskets?

Also he had an And 1 taken away from him also a couple of rebounds that wasn't awarded. Also 3 blocks that were called fouls. He should've had a 15p/6as/11rb/1st/3bl game, refs gave him a hard time and did not respect him.

It's like you've never watched an NBA game before. Players don't get every call, even the superstars don't get every call, you expect a rookie in his first game to get every call?

I know that wtf? Like I'm saying he's not gonna get any respect right now, he has to earn it the hard way because that's just the way it is.

[hype_2004]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

I watched 2 quarters of the magic game. Trust me bro....we'd be having a full-on meltdown with Sugg's performance.

Scottie is doingalot of good things despite the statline. Suggs looks almost unplayable right now. And it's not just a matter of missing shots. He looks slow...his handle isn't nba-ready. The only thing passable in his game is defense. Scottie's performance at least inspires alot of optimism.

Just on eye test alone Scottie belongs in there and is not intimidated or lost. He makes the right plays and doesn't go beyond what he's capable of, he's a terror in the open space due to his deceptive speed and ability to handle the ball like a rookie version of Giannis.

[lolwut]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

Assists are dictated by guys making shots he made 4-5 passes that should've been assists.

Players don't shoot 100% from the field, some passes that could be assists wind up not being assists due to the player missing the shot. Do other players get credited for making good passes that don't lead to baskets?

Also he had an And 1 taken away from him also a couple of rebounds that wasn't awarded. Also 3 blocks that were called fouls. He should've had a 15p/6as/11rb/1st/3bl game, refs gave him a hard time and did not respect him.

It's like you've never watched an NBA game before. Players don't get every call, even the superstars don't get every call, you expect a rookie in his first game to get every call?

The point is he could have finished with a much better stat line if some things that were out of his control unfolded differently. He played well despite not having a stellar stat line in the end because the stats don't tell the whole story. You would know this if you actually watch games instead of reading boxscores.

[pingpongrac]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

Assists are dictated by guys making shots he made 4-5 passes that should've been assists.

Players don't shoot 100% from the field, some passes that could be assists wind up not being assists due to the player missing the shot. Do other players get credited for making good passes that don't lead to baskets?

Also he had an And 1 taken away from him also a couple of rebounds that wasn't awarded. Also 3 blocks that were called fouls. He should've had a 15p/6as/11rb/1st/3bl game, refs gave him a hard time and did not respect him.

It's like you've never watched an NBA game before. Players don't get every call, even the superstars don't get every call, you expect a rookie in his first game to get every call?

If you actually watched the game and not just looked at the box score, Scottie actually played well. He was getting a garbage whistle all game (clear blocking foul was called a charge which took away 2 or potentially 3 points while also giving him an additional turnover) and he was fouled on more than 1 other attempt under the rim that resulted in a missed shot. Obviously players don't shoot 100%, but a lot of the misses off of his potential assists were wide open looks/layups (as well as another turnover where Achiuwa misread the pass on a break and the ball went out of bounds).

He should have finished with at least a 16/10/3 game on 50% shooting if our guards and bigs didn't have collectively one of the worst shooting nights of the past few years and the officiating wasn't god awful towards him.

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[10giz]

Another big positive about Scottie - his size and its presence on the court alone makes an impact.

A guy that long with his motor and energy changes what the other team can do when he's near and I expect as the season goes on and the game slows down for him that impact will be felt even more.

I am enamoured with this kid and with game 1 going as bad as it could have, he had 12-9 and played some good D that constantly got the other team to switch him off.

I hope, especially while Siakam is out, I hope we keep letting him take shots and drive and get as used to try to score however he can as much as possible as quick as possible.

The faster we can help him get all those rookie nerves out of his system and settle down a bit, the better for everyone and his development.

[ciueli]

It's like you've never watched an NBA game before. Players don't get every call, even the superstars don't get every call, you expect a rookie in his first game to get every call?

The point is he could have finished with a much better stat line if some things that were out of his control unfolded differently. He played well despite not having a stellar stat line in the end because the stats don't tell the whole story. You would know this if you actually watch games instead of reading boxscores.[/quote]

I watched the game. I didn't see this amazing version of Barnes that you seemed to see. He's a rookie who is a good defender but has a limited offensive game and turns the ball over too much, basically the player we thought he was. The drop off from Pascal is huge which is a big part of the reason for the loss. It's fine, he's really young and will take years to develop but let's not pretend he's killing it out of the gate when he isn't.

[10giz]

I watched the game. I didn't see this amazing version of Barnes that you seemed to see. He's a rookie who is a good defender but has a limited offensive game and turns the ball over too much, basically the player we thought he was. The drop off from Pascal is huge which is a big part of the reason for the loss. It's fine, he's really young and will take years to develop but let's not pretend he's killing it out of the gate when he isn't.

If you're expecting an amazing version of Barnes who literally just turned 20 in August in his first NBA game where he was thrust into the SL, regardless of what anybody else says, you're looking at it through the wrong lens and looking for the wrong things.

What I watched for is his demeanour, his intensity, and just simply is he someone that can make a difference on the basketball floor in some capacity.

12 points ain't much but he showed that he's willing (and able) to get into the paint and score using his length. He's definitely solid on the break and I like that he seems to love these little layups and short range shots. That was Amir Johnson's bread and butter I'd love to see Scottie keep that up and take advantage every time he can matchup permitting. **** the dunks. I want someone who can succeed with skill and have his physicals and intensity to take it to another level when needed.

One thing is clear he has no fear. He's a basketball player through and through and even with the turnovers and mistakes, it never stopped him from being aggressive, hustling hard and trying to make plays. I love his mind for passing you can just see the moment he gets the ball he's using his eyes to scan and usually makes a decisive move to pass or takes then ball himself.

This guy is going to have a lot of peers in the NBA as fans (already evidenced by Brad Beale's sparkling endorsement) cause he's just a dog. Regardless of the smiles, personality, all that - he doesn't need a mean streak to bust ass however he can. He does not seem like one who's ever gonna sulk cause he missed 10 shots or turned the ball over.

Don't think I've ever been more excited for a Raptors prospect. This kid will find any way possible to impact the game and make winning plays.

I know a lot of people have made different comparisons but what I want him to become the most is just a version of Kyle Lowry with freak size who can impact the game in so many different ways. I already see the will on the court with him. I think thats what the FO fell in love with most of all. I think the fanbase will too.

[AaronB]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

I watched 2 quarters of the magic game. Trust me bro....we'd be having a full-on meltdown with Sugg's performance.

Scottie is doingalot of good things despite the statline. Suggs looks almost unplayable right now. And it's not just a matter of missing shots. He looks slow...his handle isn't nba-ready. The only thing passable in his game is defense. Scottie's performance at least inspires alot of optimism.

They will both be good players. However, Suggs was not even scheduled to play the 1st game due to a stomach virus. He was called to action due to 2 other SGs being hurt (not including Fultz).

[God Squad]

Now is probably not the time to brag about how Scottie is so much better than Suggs when he's coming off a 1 assist, 6 turnover, 13 points on 12 shots performance in his first NBA game where the team barely broke 80 points.

I watched 2 quarters of the magic game. Trust me bro....we'd be having a full-on meltdown with Sugg's performance.

Scottie is doingalot of good things despite the statline. Suggs looks almost unplayable right now. And it's not just a matter of missing shots. He looks slow...his handle isn't nba-ready. The only thing passable in his game is defense. Scottie's performance at least inspires alot of optimism.

They will both be good players. However, Suggs was not even scheduled to play the 1st game due to a stomach virus. He was called to action due to 2 other SGs being hurt (not including Fultz).

What was his excuse during Pre Season? With that said I do think Suggs will be okay.

[God Squad]

Probably posted already, but why not

Bradley Beal with a smile on his face

It's funny, I'm a huge fan of Scottie Barnes. Um coming into this draft, watching in high school. He actually went to Monverde with Mosses Moody who played on my team too. So I've always watched him, Cade and all those guys from afar for a longtime. So I'm definitely a huge fan of his. Super athletic, 6'9, long. He can really played 1-4, that's what a lot of people don't know about him yet. He's very skilled, he's very talented. Man the skies the limit for him, he's in an awesome system over there. Where he can learn behind OG, Pascal and jump right along in there with them and really, really be a big impact for them. He's a willing defender which I love about him, and he just loves the game,you can see it. He's a young kid, literally a kid, but he just enjoys the game and embraces it. He's going to be a problem in the future for sure. But their team as a whole, that's how Coach Nurse has them. You know that they're going to play hard, they're going to compete no matter who's on the floor, injured or not. You know Fred's going to be back, we don't know if Pascal's playing, but he's there. But if he's there they have size, they have versatility, so we have our hands full. But I love Scottie for sure.

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[PD28]

It's like you've never watched an NBA game before. Players don't get every call, even the superstars don't get every call, you expect a rookie in his first game to get every call?

The point is he could have finished with a much better stat line if some things that were out of his control unfolded differently. He played well despite not having a stellar stat line in the end because the stats don't tell the whole story. You would know this if you actually watch games instead of reading boxscores.

I watched the game. I didn't see this amazing version of Barnes that you seemed to see. He's a rookie who is a good defender but has a limited offensive game and turns the ball over too much, basically the player we thought he was. The drop off from Pascal is huge which is a big part of the reason for the loss. It's fine, he's really young and will take years to develop but let's not pretend he's killing it out of the gate when he isn't.

The dropoff from Pascal is Barnes' fault? Did no one watch the game OG had lol? Barnes played better than OG and that's for damn sure. Game 1 was just one of those games you write off and go back to the square one. Nurse needs to run more sets with FVV as the 2 and play actual playmakers at the 1.

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[TravisScott55]

Raptors got a good one

[rarefind]

LOL at being more caught up with the box score than actually watching how Barnes impacted the game.

Barnes is going to be a guy. He passes the eye test quite easily... He can certainly create for himself and others and that jump shot will be what unlocks potential stardom. Famous last words for a lot of front office execs but Scottie is legit and has the work ethic you get excited about. He has more tools than Pascal, Fred and OG and look what our player development did with their games respectively.

[Jcity08]

The amount of assists Barnes lost because everyone he passed to was bricking wide open shot.

Barnes was making amazing reads.

Barnes is a future triple double threat every night.

[johanliebert]

LOL at being more caught up with the box score than actually watching how Barnes impacted the game.

Barnes is going to be a guy. He passes the eye test quite easily... He can certainly create for himself and others and that jump shot will be what unlocks potential stardom. Famous last words for a lot of front office execs but Scottie is legit and has the work ethic you get excited about. He has more tools than Pascal, Fred and OG and look what our player development did with their games respectively.

He can’t create for himself yet as he’s a non factor in the half court. He can make plays but wouldn’t say he’s creating shots either. He looks like an ancillary piece right now hopefully the team drafts a guard next to run with Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

He's a poor mans Draymond right now, being a poor mans Draymond while being a rookie is an incredibly high floor.

[rarefind]

LOL at being more caught up with the box score than actually watching how Barnes impacted the game.

Barnes is going to be a guy. He passes the eye test quite easily... He can certainly create for himself and others and that jump shot will be what unlocks potential stardom. Famous last words for a lot of front office execs but Scottie is legit and has the work ethic you get excited about. He has more tools than Pascal, Fred and OG and look what our player development did with their games respectively.

He can’t create for himself yet as he’s a non factor in the half court. He can make plays but wouldn’t say he’s creating shots either. He looks like an ancillary piece right now hopefully the team drafts a guard next to run with Scottie.

Scottie on numerous occasions has been able to get into the paint and score with a hook or push shot in the paint off the dribble. He isn't particularly fluid at it but is clearly a point of emphasis in his game and what the coaching staff wants him to do. Calling him a non-factor in the half court is a little bit extreme. There are certainly limitations in his age 20 season but I'd be shocked if he can't be multi level scorer from the very little we've seen, albeit.

He has already made plays in transition (that some wings never make) through the preseason and 1 NBA game which is madness. His reads and feel for the game are pretty special. He has a long way to go in regards to creating his on shot per se outside of attacking the paint but at 20 years old there is something there, no doubt.