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2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2

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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1401 » by pingpongrac » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:50 pm

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Ackshun wrote:Felt pretty strongly that we deserved to be a lottery team last year, regardless of the home court disadvantage.

Without Kyle this year, and any significant additions, I won't be surprised to see another lottery bound season.

Hopefully having Birch for the full year helps. Not sure if Wainwright, Barnes and home court advantage can add 20-25 wins.


How do you explain a 17-17 record through the first 34 games of the season then 10-28 the rest of the way though? It seemed/seems pretty clear to me that we were more in line with being a .500 (or better) team if not for COVID then blatantly tanking the last 1/3 of the season. Our record around the midway point was average, but we were trending upwards (in the midst of a 15-7 stretch) and most metrics pointed towards us being a team battling for HCA (3rd best offence in the East, 6th best offence in the East, 4th best NetRTG in East, etc.) before we lost 3 of our top 4 players for a few weeks.

It's not "adding 20-25 wins" by sheer luck to get to 45-50 wins this season. It's a combination of advantages like playing at home, an extra 10 games (back to regular 82-game season), improvement of our players, no Baynes (lol) and not blatantly tanking a large chunk of the year with a few disadvantages like losing Lowry, likely being without Siakam to start the season (or having a rusty Siakam) and the uncertainty of what the rest of our roster is going to look like as there is still nearly 2 months before training camp even begins.

People are putting way too much weight into our end-of-year record while ignoring the factors.

our point differential was positive till the last couple of weeks where we went 1-10

at some point we were setting a record for best point differential in history and be under 500

even with that our final point differential put us ahead of hornets/wizards/bulls

it was a tale of 2 seasons; choose to believe we were closer to first half than second.

Even at 27-39, they have a +25 point differential this season, smackdab in the middle of the NBA in that category, and suggesting Toronto should have a 34-32 record this season, per Basketball-Reference.

It's why Fred VanVleet can joke and say the Raptors are the "best worst team of all-time." To borrow some work from The Athletic's Blake Murphy, the Raptors are certainly among the select few who can claim that title.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-bad-luck-2021-nba-season


This is my point.

I think we are far closer to the solid team that was .500 despite a 2-8 start and dealing with some injuries (OG missed 11 of the first 34 games and Lowry missed 7) rather than the bottom 3 team that was winning 26% of their games (roughly 22-62 over a full season) because they were routinely resting key players while giving big minutes to 3rd stringers (Bembry averaged 22 MPG post-trade deadline, Stanley averaged 21 MPG, Yuta averaged 18 MPG, etc.) and rookies (Flynn averaged 27 MPG and Gillespie averaged 20 MPG while Harris got some major burn down the stretch).

You can say "they'll be giving those minutes to the same kinds of players this season," but that's unlikely true and it's not the same situation. Birch is an obvious upgrade over Baynes and our big guns (Siakam/FVV/OG/GTJ) should be getting significant minutes. As of now, Flynn/Boucher/Barnes/Yuta/(Achiuwa)/(Dragic) is a solid bench unit. Also, Barnes looks to be a much more NBA-ready player than Flynn/Gillespie/Harris while Flynn (especially) and Gillespie at least have some NBA experience under their belts and should be better than they were last season. While we'll be missing Lowry's impact, I think the improvement of our players/better overall available roster and playing at home will have a far bigger impact.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1402 » by Raptors_128 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 3:52 pm

Will we find out the return of the trade in the next 8 minutes?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1403 » by WigginsNation » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:04 pm

Raptors_128 wrote:Will we find out the return of the trade in the next 8 minutes?



8 minutes? Where’d you get that magic number from?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1404 » by T-d0t » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:05 pm

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Raptors_128 wrote:Will we find out the return of the trade in the next 8 minutes?



8 minutes? Where’d you get that magic number from?
Moratorium ended at noon
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1405 » by simple_jack » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:08 pm

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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1406 » by c3luong » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:15 pm

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good we were last year, does it?

Like say we are really a 50 win team last year. We were still not a contender obviously with that quality of team. And we also lost our best player this offseason and got younger. So no matter how you slice it, we will not be even close to the contending teams this year and this is the best case scenario. If you value getting a lower seed in the playoffs then I guess that means that we have a chance to compete for a 5-8 seed this year. I'm not sure that's really anything to get excited about though.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1407 » by Stromile12 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:16 pm

Gimme the Lowry trade details dammit
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1408 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:20 pm

Has Dragic been traded yet
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1409 » by pilkoids » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:22 pm

I get that there are no Dragic suitors right now, but we should atleast know exactly what's coming back from Miami at this point, no?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1410 » by Bruin » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:23 pm

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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1411 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:24 pm

does Miami need the Lowry deal to be done today to work in all the other FA deals they've done?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1412 » by pilkoids » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:25 pm

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OKC? Pacers?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1413 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:27 pm

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OKC? Pacers?


Can this dude be anything more than a Vladimir Radmanovic type? If so, I'd take flier on him, in a S&T
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1414 » by T-d0t » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:28 pm

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OKC? Pacers?
We get Turner??? One can dream
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1415 » by alienchild » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:28 pm

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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1416 » by c3luong » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:29 pm

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OKC? Pacers?


Can this dude be anything more than a Vladimir Radmanovic type? If so, I'd take flier on him, in a S&T


I agree, if you think this guy can improve then you grab him he's still pretty young. Not a big deal either way though.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1417 » by T-d0t » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:32 pm

Markkanen would be solid because his weaknesses defensively would be somewhat hidden on our team
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1418 » by Psubs » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:34 pm

c3luong wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
pilkoids wrote:
OKC? Pacers?


Can this dude be anything more than a Vladimir Radmanovic type? If so, I'd take flier on him, in a S&T


I agree, if you think this guy can improve then you grab him he's still pretty young. Not a big deal either way though.


Markkanen to the Pacers
Turner to the Raptors
Dragic to the Mavs
Prospects to the Bulls

I would send Dragic and a 2nd pick out for Turner. :nod: Also would send David Johnson for a filler 3rd PG.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1419 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:35 pm

Send the Bulls Dwight Powell for Markannen lol
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Re: 2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2 

Post#1420 » by Raptors_128 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 4:36 pm

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That’s a good pickup

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