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UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Lowkey I wouldn't be shocked if he's a more willing passer in the league and he doesn't pass as much at Rutgers because everyone sans Harper stinks. From the tape I've seen, he makes most of his passes to Dylan when he can't get a bucket and if Dylan isn't there you get this game or the one where he dropped 39 taking all the shots.
Yallbecrazy wrote:Jstock12 wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:
The only one who can't bust is Cooper Flagg unless he gets injured.
The profile of a tough shot maker with poor assist totals is a cause for concern. I literally mentioned why he has a higher bust chance and it's the assist to turnover ratio. If you looking at high picks who have busted in the past the low assist numbers tend to be a common theme.
The low assist numbers combined with a bad ast/to ratio basically signals poor feel for the game, which was also corroborated by some of Bailey's game tape analysis. It's a thing you can improve though. Maybe Bailey is one of those guys who simply picked up organized basketball pretty late (early-mid teens?) and that's why his bball IQ is still on the low end. I'd be more worried if he actually played organized bball since he was 8, that might lead me to believe he just doesn't have the ability to process the game at a high enough level/speed.
No doubt he could be a star, he has with his resurgence re-entered my top 10. He's probably closer to 5, but unless he starts getting more than ~2.0-2.5 assists a game the rest of the way I don't think he'll be in my top 5 even if he finishes the year with a 10+ bpm somehow.
Syd-TK3 wrote:I couldn't give a damn about Ace assists numbers lol
Dylan the pg had 0 himself
aminiaturebuddha wrote:I'm really starting to hope that the Raps get a top 3 pick for the main reason that I think it's important for them to pick a two-way player. Obviously Flagg will be a two-way guy. And I'm fairly confident that Harper and Bailey, with adequate coaching, can become above average defenders.
Jakucionus is probably 4th on my board right now, and I'm also a fan of Tre Johnson, but I'm much less sure about their ability to become good defenders.
Right now only Scottie (and maybe Poeltl in his role, even though he's not a shooter) is a two-way player in the Raps' core rotation. Walter might get there. But they really need more guys who are above average on both ends. It's what makes the Celtics and OKC rotations so good right now, and what made the Raps championship team so adaptable to any kind of playoff series.
Beyond the top guys, other potential lottery picks that I think could be two-way players (although overall much lesser prospects) are Newell, Sorber, and possibly Maluach in his role. Edgecombe is still a question mark because I'm not yet convinced of his offence.
aminiaturebuddha wrote:I'm really starting to hope that the Raps get a top 3 pick for the main reason that I think it's important for them to pick a two-way player. Obviously Flagg will be a two-way guy. And I'm fairly confident that Harper and Bailey, with adequate coaching, can become above average defenders.
Jakucionus is probably 4th on my board right now, and I'm also a fan of Tre Johnson, but I'm much less sure about their ability to become good defenders.
Right now only Scottie (and maybe Poeltl in his role, even though he's not a shooter) is a two-way player in the Raps' core rotation. Walter might get there. But they really need more guys who are above average on both ends. It's what makes the Celtics and OKC rotations so good right now, and what made the Raps championship team so adaptable to any kind of playoff series.
Beyond the top guys, other potential lottery picks that I think could be two-way players (although overall much lesser prospects) are Newell, Sorber, and possibly Maluach in his role. Edgecombe is still a question mark because I'm not yet convinced of his offence.
Syd-TK3 wrote:I couldn't give a damn about Ace assists numbers lol
Dylan the pg had 0 himself
God Squad wrote:We're sitting at #2 and I still hate Tankathon lol
Psubs wrote:aminiaturebuddha wrote:I'm really starting to hope that the Raps get a top 3 pick for the main reason that I think it's important for them to pick a two-way player. Obviously Flagg will be a two-way guy. And I'm fairly confident that Harper and Bailey, with adequate coaching, can become above average defenders.
Jakucionus is probably 4th on my board right now, and I'm also a fan of Tre Johnson, but I'm much less sure about their ability to become good defenders.
Right now only Scottie (and maybe Poeltl in his role, even though he's not a shooter) is a two-way player in the Raps' core rotation. Walter might get there. But they really need more guys who are above average on both ends. It's what makes the Celtics and OKC rotations so good right now, and what made the Raps championship team so adaptable to any kind of playoff series.
Beyond the top guys, other potential lottery picks that I think could be two-way players (although overall much lesser prospects) are Newell, Sorber, and possibly Maluach in his role. Edgecombe is still a question mark because I'm not yet convinced of his offence.
If not top 3, I'm open to trading down with say Brooklyn for their pick and one of their 3 late 1st picks. Maybe send our pick if higher and Portland 2nd for their 1st pick and two late 1st picks?
ATLTimekeeper wrote:aminiaturebuddha wrote:I'm really starting to hope that the Raps get a top 3 pick for the main reason that I think it's important for them to pick a two-way player. Obviously Flagg will be a two-way guy. And I'm fairly confident that Harper and Bailey, with adequate coaching, can become above average defenders.
Jakucionus is probably 4th on my board right now, and I'm also a fan of Tre Johnson, but I'm much less sure about their ability to become good defenders.
Right now only Scottie (and maybe Poeltl in his role, even though he's not a shooter) is a two-way player in the Raps' core rotation. Walter might get there. But they really need more guys who are above average on both ends. It's what makes the Celtics and OKC rotations so good right now, and what made the Raps championship team so adaptable to any kind of playoff series.
Beyond the top guys, other potential lottery picks that I think could be two-way players (although overall much lesser prospects) are Newell, Sorber, and possibly Maluach in his role. Edgecombe is still a question mark because I'm not yet convinced of his offence.
But the Cavs rotation is really good right now, too?
At the top of the draft, just take the best player and worry about fit/versatility later. The outcomes are like star and role player if you miss. You don't want to pass on Tyrese Haliburton because Pat Williams has more 2 way potential, imo.
Indeed wrote:Psubs wrote:aminiaturebuddha wrote:I'm really starting to hope that the Raps get a top 3 pick for the main reason that I think it's important for them to pick a two-way player. Obviously Flagg will be a two-way guy. And I'm fairly confident that Harper and Bailey, with adequate coaching, can become above average defenders.
Jakucionus is probably 4th on my board right now, and I'm also a fan of Tre Johnson, but I'm much less sure about their ability to become good defenders.
Right now only Scottie (and maybe Poeltl in his role, even though he's not a shooter) is a two-way player in the Raps' core rotation. Walter might get there. But they really need more guys who are above average on both ends. It's what makes the Celtics and OKC rotations so good right now, and what made the Raps championship team so adaptable to any kind of playoff series.
Beyond the top guys, other potential lottery picks that I think could be two-way players (although overall much lesser prospects) are Newell, Sorber, and possibly Maluach in his role. Edgecombe is still a question mark because I'm not yet convinced of his offence.
If not top 3, I'm open to trading down with say Brooklyn for their pick and one of their 3 late 1st picks. Maybe send our pick if higher and Portland 2nd for their 1st pick and two late 1st picks?
Too far down doesn't give a creator that we desperate need.
We need more than just 2-way, we need ball creation.
We rank 20th on offense, and 27th on defense, a 3&D won't solve our problem.
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ArthurVandelay wrote:tdotrep2 wrote:How could we possibly get another pick to grab maluach? indy + whatever?
Raptors pick 1
Utah picks 2
Raps trade down for 2 and 12…also I’m not there on Maluach.
That Indy pick shouldn’t be touched imo
aminiaturebuddha wrote:Indeed wrote:Psubs wrote:
If not top 3, I'm open to trading down with say Brooklyn for their pick and one of their 3 late 1st picks. Maybe send our pick if higher and Portland 2nd for their 1st pick and two late 1st picks?
Too far down doesn't give a creator that we desperate need.
We need more than just 2-way, we need ball creation.
We rank 20th on offense, and 27th on defense, a 3&D won't solve our problem.
I definitely wasn't arguing for taking a 3&D with the top pick. Those are just a small subset of two-way players, who can be at any level of the game.
But I would like someone who is good at both ends. Just taking those numbers, even if we got a Trae Young type creator, sure it might improve the 20th ranked offence, but it wouldn't do anything for the 27th ranked defence, and that's just not a recipe for a serious winning team.
aminiaturebuddha wrote:Syd-TK3 wrote:I couldn't give a damn about Ace assists numbers lol
Dylan the pg had 0 himself
In last night's game? Harper had 3 assists.
LoveMyRaps wrote:So many of y'all are gonna be dead wrong about Ace.
Psubs wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:Jstock12 wrote:The low assist numbers combined with a bad ast/to ratio basically signals poor feel for the game, which was also corroborated by some of Bailey's game tape analysis. It's a thing you can improve though. Maybe Bailey is one of those guys who simply picked up organized basketball pretty late (early-mid teens?) and that's why his bball IQ is still on the low end. I'd be more worried if he actually played organized bball since he was 8, that might lead me to believe he just doesn't have the ability to process the game at a high enough level/speed.
No doubt he could be a star, he has with his resurgence re-entered my top 10. He's probably closer to 5, but unless he starts getting more than ~2.0-2.5 assists a game the rest of the way I don't think he'll be in my top 5 even if he finishes the year with a 10+ bpm somehow.
He won't get those assists because of roster construction and role.
