Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[cdel00]

Unless we have the #1 pick, we are not passing on barnes if he is on the board. So i'm glad his stock is falling, that just makes it easier for us to get him.

True is HB is there and Davis is gone we take HB but he'll be gone by the time we pick I'm gussing

[fredericklove]

Unless we have the #1 pick, we are not passing on barnes if he is on the board. So i'm glad his stock is falling, that just makes it easier for us to get him.

Yes I'm not even going to be sad, complain or argue with anyone about that, the more he drops, the better it is for us.

[Dr Positivity]

You finally have Lillard on your radar . Good man! I have so much respect for the guy. He is the poster boy for class and work ethic!

I'm super high on Lillard. I have him as a better prospect than Barnes, MKG, or Beal. If BC is set on drafting PG or SF that's who I take.

[nahom1319]

Unless we have the #1 pick, we are not passing on barnes if he is on the board. So i'm glad his stock is falling, that just makes it easier for us to get him.

There's a reason his stock is falling... its the same reason I turned on Lamb. Outside of scoring he doesn't do much.

[nahom1319]

You finally have Lillard on your radar . Good man! I have so much respect for the guy. He is the poster boy for class and work ethic!

I'm super high on Lillard. I have him as a better prospect than Barnes, MKG, or Beal. If BC is set on drafting PG or SF that's who I take.

[fredericklove]

Unless we have the #1 pick, we are not passing on barnes if he is on the board. So i'm glad his stock is falling, that just makes it easier for us to get him.

There's a reason his stock is falling... its the same reason I turned on Lamb. Outside of scoring he doesn't do much.

You...TRAITOR! Yeah well, we both have the same goal, it's to get Beal. I'm a big fan of all-around skills, plus I'm annoyed by Demar. We need someone else to take the starting shooting guard's throne.

[fredericklove]

I'm super high on Lillard. I have him as a better prospect than Barnes, MKG, or Beal. If BC is set on drafting PG or SF that's who I take.

I'd love to see Lillard vs. Lebron SF matchup

[nahom1319]

Unless we have the #1 pick, we are not passing on barnes if he is on the board. So i'm glad his stock is falling, that just makes it easier for us to get him.

There's a reason his stock is falling... its the same reason I turned on Lamb. Outside of scoring he doesn't do much.

You...TRAITOR! Yeah well, we both have the same goal, it's to get Beal. I'm a big fan of all-around skills, plus I'm annoyed by Demar. We need someone else to take the starting shooting guard's throne.

Can you imagine the hideousness of a demar barnes lineup?

I have more faith in HB then demar to round out his skills but for me its Beal > MKG / Barnes.....

[DreamTeam09]

^^What exactly would be the problem with a Demar & HB wing combo.

[Undefeated]

^^What exactly would be the problem with a Demar & HB wing combo.

Lack of playmaking creativity I suppose?

[DreamTeam09]

But even their detractors say all they do is score. Isn't that the best play. Wouldn't a playmaking pg suffice

[nahom1319]

^^What exactly would be the problem with a Demar & HB wing combo.

You mean other then the fact they have no real skills other then scoring? Well with both of those players we would be dependent on a pg like Jose to manage the game. With a guy like Beal we don't, as he can make plays for his teammates.

[Marlo Stanfield]

But even their detractors say all they do is score. Isn't that the best play. Wouldn't a playmaking pg suffice

The problem with that can be seen on a team like Chicago. Their wings are solid, but Derrick Rose has to create everything. Shut Rose down and you shut Chicago down. When the offense is completely dependent on one guy, it's a recipe for disaster.

[fredericklove]

You...TRAITOR! Yeah well, we both have the same goal, it's to get Beal. I'm a big fan of all-around skills, plus I'm annoyed by Demar. We need someone else to take the starting shooting guard's throne.

Can you imagine the hideousness of a demar barnes lineup?

I have more faith in HB then demar to round out his skills but for me its Beal > MKG / Barnes.....

it won't be that bad if we decide to sign steve nash, it will help both of them, otherwise, have a competent point guard and casey's system is more about setting screens and roll, instead of one man show type of offense, so I don't see a big issue with demar/barnes lineup (I cant imagine Demar not learning anything to help improve his half-court offensive skillset for next season), plus, its fortunate that Bargs and Val are both underrated passer for their positions, that can compensate a little bit for the lack of passing skills from the wings. There's so many cuts, so many picks set., that's where the offense will flow. Too bad, its Demar that we have, if we have Harrison Beals for the wings spot, DAMN I'd jizz.

[nahom1319]

But even their detractors say all they do is score. Isn't that the best play. Wouldn't a playmaking pg suffice

The problem with that can be seen on a team like Chicago. Their wings are solid, but Derrick Rose has to create everything. Shut Rose down and you shut Chicago down. When the offense is completely dependent on one guy, it's a recipe for disaster.

Edit: To be honest I'm not all that thrilled with HB anyway. I said it at the beginning of the season and I'll say it again... What really separates HB from Klieza anyway? Youth???

[DreamTeam09]

Ohok, so playmaking trumps scoring, got it. Put demar in the post and when they send the double because he's bigger than most sg's, he'll make a play.

[nahom1319]

You...TRAITOR! Yeah well, we both have the same goal, it's to get Beal. I'm a big fan of all-around skills, plus I'm annoyed by Demar. We need someone else to take the starting shooting guard's throne.

Can you imagine the hideousness of a demar barnes lineup?

I have more faith in HB then demar to round out his skills but for me its Beal > MKG / Barnes.....

it won't be that bad if we decide to sign steve nash, it will help both of them, otherwise, have a competent point guard and casey's system is more about setting screens and roll, instead of one man show type of offense, so I don't see a big issue with demar/barnes lineup (I cant imagine Demar not learning anything to help improve his half-court offensive skillset for next season), plus, its fortunate that Bargs and Val are both underrated passer for their positions, that can compensate a little bit for the lack of passing skills from the wings. There's so many cuts, so many picks set., that's where the offense will flow. Too bad, its Demar that we have, if we have Harrison Beals for the wings spot, DAMN I'd jizz.

I expect that's simply due to personnel. We don't exactly have the ball handlers to break down a defense. I'd expect our offense to change as our team gets better.

[nahom1319]

Ohok, so playmaking trumps scoring, got it. Put demar in the post and when they send the double because he's bigger than most sg's, he'll make a play.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, its not one or the other, you need both.

[DreamTeam09]

But even their detractors say all they do is score. Isn't that the best play. Wouldn't a playmaking pg suffice

The problem with that can be seen on a team like Chicago. Their wings are solid, but Derrick Rose has to create everything. Shut Rose down and you shut Chicago down. When the offense is completely dependent on one guy, it's a recipe for disaster.

But even chicago doesn't have a 17ppg sg and a 17ppg sf. They just have the SF. They have rolled out brewer / injured rip at sg. Demar & HB both have better iso or 1 & 1 ability than any wing player on chicago I think. Agree? Once again, demar isn't a hopeless play maker. hes had 4-5-7 ast games this yr.

[Marlo Stanfield]

To be a title contender you need AT LEAST 2 play makers in your lineup, preferably 3. If we drafted Barnes, DeMar has to go for a playmaking shooting guard to go along with the point guard.