Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

Troubadour · Post #1421 » by **Troubadour** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:18 am

They'll risk the same again, possibly w/o Howard, if it means having the cap space to offer a max contract in the summer of 2014.

hillbilly hare · Post #1422 » by **hillbilly hare** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:33 am

Double Helix wrote:
StMikes31 wrote:What's the point of rolling with this team if you know it isn't going to win? Sure we probably would make the playoffs but everything would have to go according to plan and we would just get the 7-8 seed considering all the better teams than us.

Just start the rebuild now. No use in putting icing when the cake is not even baked.

The point with this move would be to see if we could become a 6-4 seed by adding a PF/C like Gasol to the mix. He'd be Jonas backup at C at times and his presence would allow Amir to strengthen the bench at times as well. Our entire 4/5 rotation would be much stronger for a year.

If it works we know that presence was key and perhaps go after a younger player like Cousins with the 19 million expiring in Pau's contract.

As opposed to just "giving Demar away for free", it might be seen more as trading Demar for Gasol and not having to just amnesty Andrea outright. Or worse, take back something unnecessary and/or team-hurting in an Andrea dump. Or, given Demar's contract, it can also be seen as "getting out of that contract" 3 years early. Demar's an intriguing talent, but he's not going to help take us to the next level. We have been horrendous in the 3 years he's been our starting SG, and while that's not all his fault, he's had a hand in all the losing and it clearly indicates he isn't the one, or one of the ones, to take us to the next level.

To be honest, I've never been on the Demar bandwagon and by trading him I would like to see what Ross can do. I've never been near his bandwagon either, but his supporters here like him. Demar's contract was foolish and a desperation move by Our Previous Inept GM, hereafter to be referred to as OPIG.

Said trade would have to conditioned on Gasol being healthy.

Or would it? If he missed a lot of games, bringing back fond memories of Jermaine O'Neal, the tank would be on. We might be able to trade him at the deadline for an expiring and a draft pick. Start booing Rudy mercilessly and hope for a record freezing winter, so that he opts out of his $19M. Start hanging the banners: 2014 OR BUST. WIGGINS WHERE ART THOU?

bigmandinky · Post #1423 » by **bigmandinky** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:40 am

No way we should give up Derozan. Bargnani + Fields for Pau actually works but also lets us keep a player whose been productive for us.

Lakers get younger, and add bench depth + perimeter defense with Fields along with a strech 4 for D'Antoni's system.

We get a huge expiring and veteran PF who should make us a lock to be a 6th or 7th seed at least, plus he'll help JV develop.

Also, we would then be able to amnesty Kleiza's contract. This trade will also open up a lot more playing time for Terrence Ross.

Tacoma · Post #1424 » by **Tacoma** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:43 am

Trying for P. Gasol was a BC idea that LAL have already expressly rejected and this was before Bargnani's value took a further dive to near zero value which is where he stands today. The LAL didn't want him for Bargs then and they certainly don't want him now.

On Toronto's side, this is a classic BC move (which I guess is par for the course since you've been an undying BC supporter) and a terrible proposal, IMO. So for a one-year Gasol rental, you give up the future in a 23-yr old Derozan and (by making the playoffs) a very valuable asset in a higher, probably in the lottery, pick in the highly acclaimed 2014 draft.

In classic BC fashion, you're mortgaging the future to win now and then you 're forced into rebuild in 2014/2015 with no other assets but JV and cap space to sign free agents? Why would any decent free agent want to sign here under those conditiions?

Horrible for both LAL and Toronto. Absoltuely horrible. My preference remains you reboot and try to trade vets for a younger talent base TODAY to build for TOMORROW with and around JV. BC's flawed idea to mortgage the future for a #6-8 seed prayer needs to be put to sleep for good. :nonono:

SkywalkerAC · Post #1425 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 5:14 am

**** trying to play below the cap. That's a fool's game.

Tha Cynic · Post #1426 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 5:24 am

The Lakers will not take back salary beyond next season, unless it's a superstar they can build around. It's pretty simply. It makes no sense for a team like the Lakers to even contemplate trading for a player with Bargnani's salary. DH, I know you like to take the extremely positive outlook when it comes to the Raptors, but this is ridiculous. The Lakers are a season away from having a huge expiring.

Post #1427 » by **Alfred** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 5:32 am

I've merged this into the transaction thread.

Marvin Martian · Post #1428 » by **Marvin Martian** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 5:38 am

Tacoma wrote:Trying for P. Gasol was a BC idea that LAL have already expressly rejected and this was before Bargnani's value took a further dive to near zero value which is where he stands today. The LAL didn't want him for Bargs then and they certainly don't want him now.

On Toronto's side, this is a classic BC move (which I guess is par for the course since you've been an undying BC supporter) and a terrible proposal, IMO. So for a one-year Gasol rental, you give up the future in a 23-yr old Derozan and (by making the playoffs) a very valuable asset in a higher, probably in the lottery, pick in the highly acclaimed 2014 draft.

In classic BC fashion, you're mortgaging the future to win now and then you 're forced into rebuild in 2014/2015 with no other assets but JV and cap space to sign free agents? Why would any decent free agent want to sign here under those conditiions?

Horrible for both LAL and Toronto. Absoltuely horrible. My preference remains you reboot and try to trade vets for a younger talent base TODAY to build for TOMORROW with and around JV. BC's flawed idea to mortgage the future for a #6-8 seed prayer needs to be put to sleep for good.

Since when is an expiring contract mortgaging our future? smh

TOR should take this deal and run; Escape Bargs, the DD extension and use the extra cap space to either sign a higher impact player and move forward with the current core or simply do nothing and wait an extra year for everyone else to bottom out for a proper rebuild.

WigginsNation · Post #1429 » by **WigginsNation** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 10:44 am

How about Bargnani and Derozan for Kevin Love? Minny might bite depending on how they view Demar.

If Ujiri can pull that off, we'd be well on our way to building a very solid team.

HolyMage110 · Post #1430 » by **HolyMage110** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 12:22 pm

BCfortheWin wrote:How about Bargnani and Derozan for Kevin Love? Minny might bite depending on how they view Demar.

If Ujiri can pull that off, we'd be well on our way to building a very solid team.

Amnesty Kleiza, and find a way to sign Reddick.
With this team, we can be dangerous.

Lowry/FA
Reddick/Ross
Gay/Fields/Anderson
Love/Amir
Jonas/FA/Gray

T-D0G · Post #1431 » by **T-D0G** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 12:39 pm

BCfortheWin wrote:How about Bargnani and Derozan for Kevin Love? Minny might bite depending on how they view Demar.

If Ujiri can pull that off, we'd be well on our way to building a very solid team.

We would likely have to throw in a couple picks and take on a bad contract. Not sure if its worth it for a guy that barely plays...

WigginsNation · Post #1432 » by **WigginsNation** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 12:46 pm

T-D0G wrote:
BCfortheWin wrote:How about Bargnani and Derozan for Kevin Love? Minny might bite depending on how they view Demar.

If Ujiri can pull that off, we'd be well on our way to building a very solid team.

We would likely have to throw in a couple picks and take on a bad contract. Not sure if its worth it for a guy that barely plays...

I would also throw in a couple 2nd rounders if thats what it took. I would gladly take on Derrick Williams in that trade, but i doubt they'd give us Williams.

T-D0G · Post #1433 » by **T-D0G** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 12:51 pm

BCfortheWin wrote:
T-D0G wrote:
BCfortheWin wrote:How about Bargnani and Derozan for Kevin Love? Minny might bite depending on how they view Demar.

If Ujiri can pull that off, we'd be well on our way to building a very solid team.

We would likely have to throw in a couple picks and take on a bad contract. Not sure if its worth it for a guy that barely plays...

I would also throw in a couple 2nd rounders if thats what it took. I would gladly take on Derrick Williams in that trade, but i doubt they'd give us Williams.

They would probably want at least one 1st rounder. You are trying to trade them DeRozan & Bargnani remember?

3thomas · Post #1434 » by **3thomas** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 1:03 pm

Perkins for Bargnani + cash. Both going to be waived we could definitely use the inside presence of Perkins in the front court. Bargnani will give them scoring from their bigs which is something they have lacked. Comparable contracts with similar expiry dates.

T-D0G · Post #1435 » by **T-D0G** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 1:15 pm

3thomas wrote:Perkins for Bargnani + cash. Both going to be waived we could definitely use the inside presence of Perkins in the front court. Bargnani will give them scoring from their bigs which is something they have lacked. Comparable contracts with similar expiry dates.

Not sure if I want Perkins. It would be like having two Aaron Gray's on the same team...

Saul Goodman · Post #1436 » by **Saul Goodman** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 1:38 pm

T-D0G wrote:
3thomas wrote:Perkins for Bargnani + cash. Both going to be waived we could definitely use the inside presence of Perkins in the front court. Bargnani will give them scoring from their bigs which is something they have lacked. Comparable contracts with similar expiry dates.

Not sure if I want Perkins. It would be like having two Aaron Gray's on the same team...

2 Grays >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One Bargnani

nashtymvp · Post #1437 » by **nashtymvp** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 2:10 pm

bargani+Derozan+Gray for Bosh+Wade. maybe throw in a 2nd round pick to make it more fair

Ackshun · Post #1438 » by **Ackshun** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:22 pm

What you guys think of Patrick Patterson?

VC-INJURY · Post #1439 » by **VC-INJURY** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:30 pm

BCfortheWin wrote:How about Bargnani and Derozan for Kevin Love? Minny might bite depending on how they view Demar.

If Ujiri can pull that off, we'd be well on our way to building a very solid team.

I like that trade too. Minny is desperate for a legit SG, and in a league short on half decent SG's they may bite. The biggest thing going against this trade thought is Derozan's inability to shoot the 3. Still though, Minny would be able to add depth with this trade and K-Love has been included in trade rumors so often so they are definitely open to trading him.

Mattya · Post #1440 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:36 pm

lol at Bargs and Derozan for Love. Did you forget to add in Val and some picks?