2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[raptor jesus]

I still want Inglis . He has it all , size , weight , strength , wingspan , agility , and huge hands .

but not offensive game

Yes, he does. He's a good ball handler, capable of starting the break himself, has surprising vision and passing instincts, slippery footwork (eurosteps) and a very workable jump shot. He's far from raw like people suggest.

[Volcano]

how great would these lines up be:

all-defensive
Vasquez / Demar / Novak / Kyle Anderson / Patrick Patterson

all-fast
Vasquez / Demar / Novak / Kyle Anderson / Jonas Valanciunas

[JonBones]

how great would these lines up be:

all-defensive
Vasquez / Demar / Novak / Kyle Anderson / Patrick Patterson

all-fast
Vasquez / Demar / Novak / Kyle Anderson / Jonas Valanciunas

You are joking I hope?

[SkywalkerAC]

If Gary Harris slides, do you stop the bleeding?

[MEDIC]

I still think we're all so accustomed to picking top 14 (when we've had picks) that many of us have forgotten a little that at 20....

That's why I think "fit" should be a big consideration for whoever we draft. At minimum, you come away with a player that contributes to your system & can be a useful bench player for years to come.

You draft a longshot player with upside that doesn't even fit your system, then you basically have nothing if he doesn't pan out.

[MEDIC]

McDaniels has a shorter standing reach & is lighter than Derozan. Not sure I'm feeling that.

[Dalek]

I think you have to consider fit with BPA because we have a pretty solid starting five, but we do need to keep getting better. Look at Indiana drafting Paul George when they has Danny Granger in place. Sometimes it can help to give a slower development curve to a player that comes in as a back-up. I think in our case we need a multi-role player.

A stretch four, back-up three like Jerami Grant makes the most sense. He is a perfect combination of upside and fit since he can immediately come in as a high energy back-up four or three like a Jeremy Evans or Demarre Carroll, and get minutes based on finishing skills and defense. I think he could end up a stretch four who will need work on the jumpshot, but could be a dribble-drive four like Jeff Green.

Amir won't be around forever, and Ross should eventually slot into a two man role. Grant gives us a huge upside guy that also fits the high energy defensive team mindset we have.

A guy like Payton or Jordan Clarkson also fit because they have the great upside and can play a couple roles. I think we should draft based on athleticism, versatility and long-term upside when we look at 20.

[Jstock12]

From Cavs forums outside of RealGM:

Having the number one pick is driving me crazy. All day I be like "Wiggins or Embiid, Wiggins or Embiid."

Then at like 4:07 AM I wake up in a cold sweat like "It's gotta be Parker. He's going to be the best out of all of them."

Then to get myself to fall asleep again I whisper "Wiggins or Embiid, Wiggins.....Embiid.....Wiggins......Embiid....Wig. .......Embi................................"

Poor Cavs fans

[MEDIC]

So far I think my guy at 20 is Payne. I'm surprised he's not slotted to go higher (won't be surprised if does go 15ish).

If we can get a Donyell Marshall level player with more athleticism at 20, that will be a steal.

You can never have enough big men. Especially mobile guys that have the length to play a bit of C. Add in the skill that he has....pretty much a can't miss pick at 20 if he is there.

You gotta think Payne's outside shooting would be a nice compliment to JV once JV polishes his post game. You'd also have two guys in your front court with a standing reach over 9 feet.

Payne has also shown the ability to get better. His FT shooting % went from 50% to 80% over 4 years. His 3 point shooting improved significantly. No reason to believe he won't continue to get better.

[Indeed]

I think you have to consider fit with BPA because we have a pretty solid starting five, but we do need to keep getting better. Look at Indiana drafting Paul George when they has Danny Granger in place. Sometimes it can help to give a slower development curve to a player that comes in as a back-up. I think in our case we need a multi-role player.

A stretch four, back-up three like Jerami Grant makes the most sense. He is a perfect combination of upside and fit since he can immediately come in as a high energy back-up four or three like a Jeremy Evans or Demarre Carroll, and get minutes based on finishing skills and defense. I think he could end up a stretch four who will need work on the jumpshot, but could be a dribble-drive four like Jeff Green.

Amir won't be around forever, and Ross should eventually slot into a two man role. Grant gives us a huge upside guy that also fits the high energy defensive team mindset we have.

A guy like Payton or Jordan Clarkson also fit because they have the great upside and can play a couple roles. I think we should draft based on athleticism, versatility and long-term upside when we look at 20.

Don't think Grant can stretch the floor.

[UnderdogRaptors]

From Cavs forums outside of RealGM:

Having the number one pick is driving me crazy. All day I be like "Wiggins or Embiid, Wiggins or Embiid."

Then at like 4:07 AM I wake up in a cold sweat like "It's gotta be Parker. He's going to be the best out of all of them."

Then to get myself to fall asleep again I whisper "Wiggins or Embiid, Wiggins.....Embiid.....Wiggins......Embiid....Wig. .......Embi................................"

Poor Cavs fans

LMAO I would die off laughing if they picked Randle with the first pick

[SkywalkerAC]

I still think we're all so accustomed to picking top 14 (when we've had picks) that many of us have forgotten a little that at 20....

That's why I think "fit" should be a big consideration for whoever we draft. At minimum, you come away with a player that contributes to your system & can be a useful bench player for years to come.

You draft a longshot player with upside that doesn't even fit your system, then you basically have nothing if he doesn't pan out.

Yeah, I think fit definitely plays into BPA, especially when someone like Casey says it. And by that I mean, he actually wants The Best Player Available so that he actually has a good chance of producing in my system rather than wasting away on the bench for the all-valuable rookie contract (especially at 20!). San Antonio gets PLAYERS, even if they're high potential prospects as well, and that is the model that should be followed at this point in the draft. Thankfully, quite a few guys fit that bill here, even Capela and Porzingis at their position, even if they probably wouldn't be Casey's first choice, as both are 7-footers with pro experience that should be able to come in and run with his guys, even in limited minutes as a rook.

Bottomline, we have a legitimate chance at an impact rotation guy, which is incredible for where we are in the draft, and all-important for our prospects of a legitimate run over the next 5 years. Casey wants, and needs, a legitimate player out of this draft, so who's it going to be?

This is why I like Anderson more than some. I just think he's a straight up ball player that is in love with the game and making the play. Sometimes that isn't enough but when you're a physical freak like Anderson the chances go up considerably. He already knows about the game than a good number of NBA wings that are trying to figure things out. On the other hand he's barely begun to train his body and the good news is the NBA can help with that.

So much of the game, at any position, is smarts plus skill. Masai and Casey are on the hunt for a hard-core baller that can and will buy-in and play winning basketball.

[cram]

So far I think my guy at 20 is Payne. I'm surprised he's not slotted to go higher (won't be surprised if does go 15ish).

If we can get a Donyell Marshall level player with more athleticism at 20, that will be a steal.

You can never have enough big men. Especially mobile guys that have the length to play a bit of C. Add in the skill that he has....pretty much a can't miss pick at 20 if he is there.

You gotta think Payne's outside shooting would be a nice compliment to JV once JV polishes his post game. You'd also have two guys in your front court with a standing reach over 9 feet.

Payne has also shown the ability to get better. His FT shooting % went from 50% to 80% over 4 years. His 3 point shooting improved significantly. No reason to believe he won't continue to get better.

I'm very down with this 100%. Doubt he's there at 20 though.

[MEDIC]

I still think we're all so accustomed to picking top 14 (when we've had picks) that many of us have forgotten a little that at 20....

That's why I think "fit" should be a big consideration for whoever we draft. At minimum, you come away with a player that contributes to your system & can be a useful bench player for years to come.

You draft a longshot player with upside that doesn't even fit your system, then you basically have nothing if he doesn't pan out.

Yeah, I think fit definitely plays into BPA, especially when someone like Casey says it. And by that I mean, he actually wants The Best Player Available so that he actually has a good chance of producing in my system rather than wasting away on the bench for the all-valuable rookie contract (especially at 20!).

That's a great point. If a team that is trying to win picks a guy that is too raw.......he won't get playing time at all. After 4 years he jumps ship & plays a role on someone elses team. You basically cultivate the kid for someone else.

If you pick a guy that can play in your system........at minimum he gets some kind of role on your bench.

That's why picking at 20 is tricky.

MoPete was almost a perfect pick at 21 years ago.

The other massive benefit of picking an older player at 20 is that you get a guy who is more ready to contribute & you can lock that guy up for 3-4 years for dirt cheap (1.2 million).

[cram]

That's why I think "fit" should be a big consideration for whoever we draft. At minimum, you come away with a player that contributes to your system & can be a useful bench player for years to come.

You draft a longshot player with upside that doesn't even fit your system, then you basically have nothing if he doesn't pan out.

Yeah, I think fit definitely plays into BPA, especially when someone like Casey says it. And by that I mean, he actually wants The Best Player Available so that he actually has a good chance of producing in my system rather than wasting away on the bench for the all-valuable rookie contract (especially at 20!).

That's a great point. If a team that is trying to win picks a guy that is too raw.......he won't get playing time at all. After 4 years he jumps ship & plays a role on someone elses team. You basically cultivate the kid for someone else.

If you pick a guy that can play in your system........at minimum he gets some kind of role on your bench.

I also don't mind drafting someone a little older who has maturity and is further along. Nothing worse than "potential" on the bench that never gets to develop. Someone like Payne could contribute immediately.

Wasn't Mo Pete a senior when he was drafted? He didn't have explosive potential but the guy could contribute immediately and fit a role really nicely.

[UK-Raptor]

Id be happy with one of Payton, Anderson or Payne at #20

[MEDIC]

I also don't mind drafting someone a little older who has maturity and is further along. Nothing worse than "potential" on the bench that never gets to develop. Someone like Payne could contribute immediately.

Wasn't Mo Pete a senior when he was drafted? He didn't have explosive potential but the guy could contribute immediately and fit a role really nicely.

I was updating my post to make this point as you were writing this.

[cram]

I also don't mind drafting someone a little older who has maturity and is further along. Nothing worse than "potential" on the bench that never gets to develop. Someone like Payne could contribute immediately.

Wasn't Mo Pete a senior when he was drafted? He didn't have explosive potential but the guy could contribute immediately and fit a role really nicely.

I was updating my post to make this point as you were writing this.

[Roland Brice]

If Gary Harris slides, do you stop the bleeding?

Nope. Let it bleed.

[for_tdot]

I still want Inglis . He has it all , size , weight , strength , wingspan , agility , and huge hands .

but not offensive game

I think it is his lack of ball handling in the half court and not being the first option in a tougher competition. He is among the youngest prospect.

If you compare the same age of Kyle Anderson, I am not surprised Inglis can surpass him with his already developed passing/court vision. At least he is comparable with Batum in their first year.

Just curious but did Batum have a reliable jumpshot in his first year?