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Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1)

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Re: Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1) 

Post#1421 » by MikeM » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:46 pm

I don't know why people naturally assume this is such a boom or bust pick.

To me, if we do even a decent job developing him, he will have a pretty decent floor due to his physical traits.

This not like Araujo who had negative physical traits. Those guys are more boom or bust picks.

I really just look at him like a high schooler. Like when Josh Smith got drafted or even Amir Johnson. I think people would be surprised to see just how many high schoolers turned out to be solid role players.
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Re: Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1) 

Post#1422 » by Troubadour » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:47 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:I that the overseas comment was said about Deandre not Bruno.

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sunny wrote:can someone verify this -

in the masai presser last night, he said they would look to have him play in the D league or Europe next year.
As it has already been stated that he will at summer league, people are assuming that he will start his contract.

It seems more likely however that Bruno won't start his contract and the Raptors will "Grant Jarrett" him and select him in the d league draft to control his development.


He never said this!!!! He's already been given a jersey number - #5 - and will be on the roster for this season.


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Daniels is getting a number, too. #22. I assume that means he'll be on the team.
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Re: Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1) 

Post#1423 » by pbj » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:47 pm

Remember when Ross came in his first game against the Pacers? Everyone was holding their breath and then he fumbled like 3 balls out of bounds before being benched.

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Post#1424 » by Agimat » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:53 pm

The first video I linked he showed some willingness to pass the ball. I think he did two/three drive and kicks.
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Post#1425 » by Rinzler » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:54 pm

When Bruno got picked I had shades of the Charlie V draft all over again :lol:
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Post#1426 » by mattkobe1984 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:55 pm

It really depends on him as an individual! If he works hard and the team got a plan for him. It would really help his development as a first rounder vs a second round pick! So hope this kid got hunger and willing to learn cuz that will make a big difference! U cant teach length or height or teach brazilian football flops!

Hope he can develope to a freaky 3+d guy! Guys just think of it as 2k my player. He is type of body u want to build on if the players on board are taken

Go bruno!

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Post#1427 » by Steelo Green » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:55 pm

From what I have seen, like I said, he has game, there is so much crap thrown around it's not even funny. Just because ESPN does not know him, he's an automatic failure.

He can shoot the 3, he runs the floor like a guard, he has ridiculous physical gifts, he actually can dribble the ball with that size, he has a fluid understanding of the floor. Not saying that the competition level doesn't have an effect as to how well he performs at that level, but this isn't a Thabeet or Sene with just physical tools. This guy has that and game.
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Post#1428 » by God Squad » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:57 pm

C_Money wrote:I don't actually see how he can make the roster. He wouldn't be getting any playing time and we share a D League team with like 9 other teams. I doubt he would even get playing time there.

Yea he's raw. But I think you're under estimating him. Rightfully so ,we'll have to see in summer league. But my impression was that Massi was really happy about this pick.
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Post#1429 » by Undefeated » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:59 pm

Agimat wrote:The first video I linked he showed some willingness to pass the ball. I think he did two/three drive and kicks.


I saw that as well. In the 36 min clip he made a smart swing pass to an open shooter as well (10:58 mark).
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Post#1430 » by TankNation123 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:00 pm

any other vids of his offensive game?
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Post#1431 » by polo007 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:01 pm

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/the-case-for-bruno-and-the-book-on-round-2/

In the light of day, there’s actually a lot to like about the pick.

To be clear, while there have been solid players plucked from the 20-30 range, it’s not common. And at No. 20, even in a loaded draft like this one, you’re taking a big swing with whomever you select. The Raptors didn’t pass up a consensus future all-star in order to go way off the board and take Mr. Coboclo (though I do think Rodney Hood may wind up haunting all the teams that passed on him). And if you’re up at the plate without any high lottery picks in the near future and no big-time free agents on the horizon, why not swing for the fences?

What we also learned last night was that Ujiri had been high on Coboclo for quite some time (don’t all GMs say that about the guy they pick?) and that the team is going to bring him in to play on the Summer League team in Vegas next month. Plus, he’ll be in Toronto this weekend to meet with the press.

Those moves don’t scream “draft n’ stash.” Instead, it would appear that Ujiri is following the Giannis Antetokounmpo-model that the Milwaukee Bucks established last year: drafting a raw athlete with little basketball experience and throwing him into the fire, letting him develop under your watchful eye against top-tier talent. It’s a ballsy move, no doubt, but if you’re putting your neck on the line regardless at that spot, why not go for someone you truly believe in?

For what it’s worth, I genuinely think we’re going to see Coboclo in a Raptors’ uniform next season. How far Bruno’s potential can take him and whether or not he comes close to Giannis as a prospect remains to be seen, but you have to admire that Ujiri went for it, Fraschilla et al be damned.
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Post#1432 » by polo007 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:02 pm

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/ujiri-not-scared-to-make-audacious-moves/

As Andrew Wiggins of Thornhill, Ont., went first overall as had been expected and Mississauga’s Nik Stauskas went earlier than was thought at No.8 to Sacramento, the Raptors were still holding out hope that they could land Brampton point guard Tyler Ennis with the 20th pick.

That was dashed when the Phoenix Suns snapped up Ennis with the No. 18 selection. Efforts were made to move up to take him first and work out a deal with the Suns after, but they came to nothing.

It was time to switch to Plan B, as in Plan Bruno. It was kept in a manila file folder stamped Top Secret, apparently.

According to league sources the Raptors were the earliest on the case, with director of global scouting Patrick Engelbrecht making regular trips to San Paulo to keep tabs on the six-foot-eight, 18-year-old with a wingspan that reportedly stretches seven-foot-seven.

The Raptors apparently promised Caboclo they would take him with their second-round pick, or 37th overall. Sources close to the Brazilian basketball scene say they sealed the deal by promising to pay a $600,000 buyout fee to Pinheiros, his club team.

With that wink-wink deal done Caboclo didn’t get on the workout circuit and stayed largely off the radar of most clubs. Ujiri made three trips to Brazil to see him in person and last week brought Dwane Casey to Houston to seem him also.


A better insight into his thinking is to know that last season Ujiri believed he had a deal in place to draft another relatively unknown and unheralded player with an unconventional backstory.

When he was still with the Denver Nuggets Ujiri was going to take Giannis Antetokounmpo with the 27th pick. But word got out about the potential of the Nigerian teenager who grew up an illegal immigrant hawking trinkets on the streets of Greece. He ended up being taken 15th overall by the Milwaukee Bucks and had a promising rookie season that have some convinced the lanky, six-foot-nine unknown could soon be an impact player in the NBA.

When Ujiri got the job with the Raptors last May he tried desperately to make a trade to get into the first round (Toronto didn’t have a pick) so he could take the player who has come to be known as the “Greek Freak” but couldn’t pull it off.

With that experience a recent memory it was clear Ujiri wasn’t going to miss his chance again.

“Once Ennis was gone, who else was he going to take?” said one source close to the Raptors executive.
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Re: Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1) 

Post#1433 » by Trianoball » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:03 pm

How can people be upset about this? It's the 20th pick. Review 20th picks over the last 20 years and you'll see that it's an obviously mixed bag of a spot in the draft.

Okay, so he might be less of a sure thing than Napier. Regardless, I think the bigger gamble would be pinning serious playoff contention hopes on the immediate contribution of Napier.

People are freaking like Masai took him over Embiid.

If Bruno doesn't pan out, he certainly won't be the first dud taken 20th. In terms of draft strategy, at that spot, every pick is a relative gamble. Napier could turn out great. He could also join the long list of great college point guards that fail to succeed in the NBA.

Personally, I think Masai does have a keen eye for talent, and I like the "risk" of taking a potential diamond in the rough at 20.
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Post#1434 » by Scooby Snax » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:04 pm

Initial reaction to him was "who the f is this dude?" But now I can't wait to see what he's about. And he's playing in the upcoming season? that's what's up
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Post#1435 » by UnderdogRaptors » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:04 pm

Remember guys MU was the same guy who wanted Grannis and look at him now, might be the same with this guy
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Post#1436 » by Kenyon009 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:08 pm

When he drives he can really get to the basket. With his thin frame he isn't able to take contact so well though. Shouldn't be a concern once he puts weight on, and skinny guys tend to do good in the NBA in this flop era as well. The thing I really want to see of him is, I want him to anchor a defense. With a 7'7 wingspan you could control one whole side of the ball. The opposing players should always be aware of where you are because you're a big threat to block his shot. I think that he should really focus on that.
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Post#1437 » by Legal Non-Conforming » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:08 pm

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Anatomize wrote:For the record for those saying we could've had him at 37 or 59.. not true. Reports saying both Suns and Jazz wanted him after our pick.


I highly doubt anybody was taking this guy in the 1st round. He didn't even do work outs for anybody.


Pheonix was looking for a stash pick with their third pick in the first round. They took Bogdanovic instead.
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Post#1438 » by Agimat » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:08 pm

TankNation123 wrote:any other vids of his offensive game?


I can't find the one what you are looking for the FIBA game but there's actually a video where Barbosa was playing with him haha.
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Post#1439 » by UnderdogRaptors » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:12 pm

His jumpshot looks like barbosas lol
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Post#1440 » by ReggieSlater » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:13 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:Some analysis from Eric Koreen:

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/06/ ... kes-sense/

Despite reports to the contrary, the Raptors genuinely did not think they would be able to get Caboclo at 37, or even trade down very far and still get him. There was certainly concern that Phoenix might take him with the 27th pick. Saying all of that, this seems like a decision that only Ujiri and a few other general managers could make.

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In a few years time, Ujiri is going to look like a genius or he’s going to seem pretty silly. If it all goes wrong, it is unlikely the move will define him as the Rafael Araujo pick partially defined Rob Babcock — the 20th pick just is not a meaningful enough asset for that to happen. Make no mistake, though: It could be a pretty unsightly pockmark.

Still, even if Raptors fans hate the pick, they should admire the process.


Pretty much. Not much risk in a 20th pick. He doesn't pan out, will people really care? Most of the other picks around him will also be out of the league by then too.

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