OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[noname2797]

What? There have been a lot of criticisms of "the government" here in this very thread from people saying we should do more to control the spread of Covid. You have this very stupid impression in your head that this is a battle of freedom loving objective rationalists vs. crazy government loving sheep.

Because that's exactly what this is.

The majority of the population is going to comply to authority without hesitation and won't dare to speak up even if something is clearly wrong. We're collectively allowing the government to bleed out 1/3 of the population and hold everyone hostage for an entire year for a virus with a >96% survival rate in Canada; 4 out of 5 deaths occurring in LTC homes. Those numbers don't come close to justifying the amount of restrictions that have been put in place and have yet to come (ie. curfew).

"people need to wear masks and social distance"

At this point in time, who isn't wearing a mask when it's required to go anywhere?

Social distancing...so we can't get together with family/friends for holidays, but we can get crammed into Costco, Wal-mart and Loblaws with random strangers and millions of transmission points because hey, essentials...

"we have to just hold tight for a vaccine and everything will return to normal"

The proverbial dangling carrot.

Yes, we must live in a state of fear and isolation until an experimental mRNA vaccination that coincidentally is being developed on a record breaking timeline is ready for public consumption in 2021. Forget waiting to see what the potential harmful side effects could be when the covidiots just need to listen to the experts!

Thalidomide for morning sickness. The Cutter incident.

But nah, all we have to do is wait for the big Pharma dick competition to be over and for them to begin sourcing it's production in China to cut costs. lol.

Nobody is saying there isn't a virus. Nobody is saying vaccines don't work. But don't smear **** on my face and try to tell me it's chocolate.

Okay.. there's a lot to this post that screams "I'm an average joe that doesn't understand how things work through other lens'"

1.) It's hardly an experimental mRNA vaccination. I know how it might seem like this vaccine can be unsafe, but that's just because of slow we were in the past. When we shift resources into building this vaccine and start overlaying processes in the development of a vaccine, our timeline is safe as can be.

Here's a well-developed video that explains prior vaccine timelines and how COVID-19's timeline compares.

Watch on YouTube

It's risky and hasn't been done before but the general consensus is that under care and supervision everything will be fine.

[Fairview4Life]

What? There have been a lot of criticisms of "the government" here in this very thread from people saying we should do more to control the spread of Covid. You have this very stupid impression in your head that this is a battle of freedom loving objective rationalists vs. crazy government loving sheep.

Because that's exactly what this is.

The majority of the population is going to comply to authority without hesitation and won't dare to speak up even if something is clearly wrong. We're collectively allowing the government to bleed out 1/3 of the population and hold everyone hostage for an entire year for a virus with a >96% survival rate in Canada; 4 out of 5 deaths occurring in LTC homes. Those numbers don't come close to justifying the amount of restrictions that have been put in place and have yet to come (ie. curfew).

"people need to wear masks and social distance"

At this point in time, who isn't wearing a mask when it's required to go anywhere?

Social distancing...so we can't get together with family/friends for holidays, but we can get crammed into Costco, Wal-mart and Loblaws with random strangers and millions of transmission points because hey, essentials...

"we have to just hold tight for a vaccine and everything will return to normal"

The proverbial dangling carrot.

Yes, we must live in a state of fear and isolation until an experimental mRNA vaccination that coincidentally is being developed on a record breaking timeline is ready for public consumption in 2021. Forget waiting to see what the potential harmful side effects could be when the covidiots just need to listen to the experts!

Thalidomide for morning sickness. The Cutter incident.

But nah, all we have to do is wait for the big Pharma dick competition to be over and for them to begin sourcing it's production in China to cut costs. lol.

Nobody is saying there isn't a virus. Nobody is saying vaccines don't work. But don't smear **** on my face and try to tell me it's chocolate.

You really just don’t bother to read anything do you. Just a bunch of dumbass pandemic YouTube videos and now you’re all set. Do you think you’ve made some kind of profound point by just writing “thalidomide” and walking away? Big pharma! The government! Do your own research. Covid can’t melt steel beams.

If you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy some snake oil. That salesman looks trustworthy.

[NBA Sheady]

Everyone in this thread with a functional brain should stop responding to those without one.

[Hero]

The problem is the gov't handling of this is stupid. I still haven't seen exact data for where all the cases are coming from specifically.

That data does not exist and never will because the people collecting it aren't scientists and are not following strict protocols. People are giving fake names and phone numbers for example. I have friends that 'don't want telemarketers' so they're giving fake info.

We have no actual precise data where the community spread is occurring. This is why the bro's in here screaming for gyms to be open are really funny.

That's the issue isn't it. Feels like we just there for the long haul at this point. Massive, diverse country. Next to the U.S. Cold winter ahead. Significant number of folks diving in crowded apartment/condo buildings.

So then, even if we can't do as well as say Taiwan, we could do better if we had data on where exactly the spread is occurring. But 8 months later and we don't? Even in the era of big data. It's just going to be lockdown>red...and then what...

[Fairview4Life]

The problem is the gov't handling of this is stupid. I still haven't seen exact data for where all the cases are coming from specifically.

That data does not exist and never will because the people collecting it aren't scientists and are not following strict protocols. People are giving fake names and phone numbers for example. I have friends that 'don't want telemarketers' so they're giving fake info. :banghead:

We have no actual precise data where the community spread is occurring. This is why the bro's in here screaming for gyms to be open are really funny.

That's the issue isn't it. Feels like we just there for the long haul at this point. Massive, diverse country. Next to the U.S. Cold winter ahead. Significant number of folks diving in crowded apartment/condo buildings.

So then, even if we can't do as well as say Taiwan, we could do better if we had data on where exactly the spread is occurring. But 8 months later and we don't? Even in the era of big data. It's just going to be lockdown>red...and then what...

I mean, ideally it would be massive amounts of testing and quarantine and financial aid.

[NBA Sheady]

Seven in ten younger COVID-19 patients show 'mild' organ damage months after infection

Please stop talking about the mortality rate.

https://www.firstpost.com/health/seven-in-ten-younger-covid-19-patients-show-mild-organ-damage-months-after-infection-9022831.html

[NBA Sheady]

The problem is the gov't handling of this is stupid. I still haven't seen exact data for where all the cases are coming from specifically.

That data does not exist and never will because the people collecting it aren't scientists and are not following strict protocols. People are giving fake names and phone numbers for example. I have friends that 'don't want telemarketers' so they're giving fake info.

We have no actual precise data where the community spread is occurring. This is why the bro's in here screaming for gyms to be open are really funny.

That's the issue isn't it. Feels like we just there for the long haul at this point. Massive, diverse country. Next to the U.S. Cold winter ahead. Significant number of folks diving in crowded apartment/condo buildings.

So then, even if we can't do as well as say Taiwan, we could do better if we had data on where exactly the spread is occurring. But 8 months later and we don't? Even in the era of big data. It's just going to be lockdown>red...and then what...

The covid tracing app could have been amazing but apparently half the testing centers weren't giving out codes. We could be doing a lot better. We could pass a bylaw requiring ID for contact tracing. Lots of ways to improve.

[YogiStewart]

still laughing at the dumbass posting a video from the "president" of an association that i can't find when i google it, and the closest thing i find doesn't list him as the president, and he's somehow the president of an Alberta medical association or 2 even though he's working for a private "clinic" in North Carolina

[M3tro]

What? There have been a lot of criticisms of "the government" here in this very thread from people saying we should do more to control the spread of Covid. You have this very stupid impression in your head that this is a battle of freedom loving objective rationalists vs. crazy government loving sheep.

Because that's exactly what this is.

The majority of the population is going to comply to authority without hesitation and won't dare to speak up even if something is clearly wrong. We're collectively allowing the government to bleed out 1/3 of the population and hold everyone hostage for an entire year for a virus with a >96% survival rate in Canada; 4 out of 5 deaths occurring in LTC homes. Those numbers don't come close to justifying the amount of restrictions that have been put in place and have yet to come (ie. curfew).

"people need to wear masks and social distance"

At this point in time, who isn't wearing a mask when it's required to go anywhere?

Social distancing...so we can't get together with family/friends for holidays, but we can get crammed into Costco, Wal-mart and Loblaws with random strangers and millions of transmission points because hey, essentials...

"we have to just hold tight for a vaccine and everything will return to normal"

The proverbial dangling carrot.

Yes, we must live in a state of fear and isolation until an experimental mRNA vaccination that coincidentally is being developed on a record breaking timeline is ready for public consumption in 2021. Forget waiting to see what the potential harmful side effects could be when the covidiots just need to listen to the experts!

Thalidomide for morning sickness. The Cutter incident.

But nah, all we have to do is wait for the big Pharma dick competition to be over and for them to begin sourcing it's production in China to cut costs. lol.

Nobody is saying there isn't a virus. Nobody is saying vaccines don't work. But don't smear **** on my face and try to tell me it's chocolate.

Okay.. there's a lot to this post that screams "I'm an average joe that doesn't understand how things work through other lens'"

1.) It's hardly an experimental mRNA vaccination. I know how it might seem like this vaccine can be unsafe, but that's just because of slow we were in the past. When we shift resources into building this vaccine and start overlaying processes in the development of a vaccine, our timeline is safe as can be.

Here's a well-developed video that explains prior vaccine timelines and how COVID-19's timeline compares.

Watch on YouTube

It's risky and hasn't been done before but the general consensus is that under care and supervision everything will be fine.

The irony in this post is amusing.

So it's risky and hasn't been done before....hmmm, so a more descriptive word for that phrase would be it's EXPERIMENTAL.

Come on brother, even the "average Joe" thesaurus coulda told you that.

[mdenny]

still laughing at the dumbass posting a video from the "president" of an association that i can't find when i google it, and the closest thing i find doesn't list him as the president, and he's somehow the president of an Alberta medical association or 2 even though he's working for a private "clinic" in North Carolina

That video statement is so incredibly stupid.

Even if it's true that Covid spreads via aerosol....there's no such thing as a virus that spreads via aerosol but NOT by droplet emissions. Masks stop droplet emissions. So wearing a mask prevents one of the two ways that covid spreads. Therefor masks are not 'virtue-signalling'. They reduce contagion.

[beanbag]

still laughing at the dumbass posting a video from the "president" of an association that i can't find when i google it, and the closest thing i find doesn't list him as the president, and he's somehow the president of an Alberta medical association or 2 even though he's working for a private "clinic" in North Carolina

Look man, the point of the video is simple, "IT'S DANGER"

[Bankai]

If any of you have been watching CP24 since Monday, they have "segments" where they go to locations and shame people and small businesses for defying Lockdown orders. This is where we are at. You got News Channels going around and publicly exposing Lockdown defiers like they are TMZ basically "calling the Cops" on people. Honestly, this action is just as embarrassing.

These people arent crazy or evil people, listen to them talk, these are reasonable people who are at their wit's end.

[mcgrady_1]

Seven in ten younger COVID-19 patients show 'mild' organ damage months after infection

Please stop talking about the mortality rate.

https://www.firstpost.com/health/seven-in-ten-younger-covid-19-patients-show-mild-organ-damage-months-after-infection-9022831.html

This right here is why people need to smarten the F up. We don't know yet what it does to us after "recovery". This isn't just the flu.

[Wo1verine]

Seven in ten younger COVID-19 patients show 'mild' organ damage months after infection

Please stop talking about the mortality rate.

https://www.firstpost.com/health/seven-in-ten-younger-covid-19-patients-show-mild-organ-damage-months-after-infection-9022831.html

This right here is why people need to smarten the F up. We don't know yet what it does to us after "recovery". This isn't just the flu.

Just fear tactics - fact is the flu is more deadly for kids. Covid rarely kill the young bottom line.

Feel bad for those kids, but nobody talks abut the millions that are completely healthy after battling the virus without damage months after.

Media always fishing for the scary stories for clicks.

[Wo1verine]

https://nypost.com/2020/11/18/croatian-man-who-died-after-falling-from-ladder-was-killed-by-covid-19/

A construction worker who died after plunging from a 10-foot ladder in Croatia was actually killed by the coronavirus, doctors said in a report.

The unnamed 51-year-old man fell into a yard while building a home earlier this year and suffered cuts and bruises to his head, according to the Journal of Forensic Pathology.

[Fairview4Life]

https://nypost.com/2020/11/18/croatian-man-who-died-after-falling-from-ladder-was-killed-by-covid-19/

A construction worker who died after plunging from a 10-foot ladder in Croatia was actually killed by the coronavirus, doctors said in a report.

The unnamed 51-year-old man fell into a yard while building a home earlier this year and suffered cuts and bruises to his head, according to the Journal of Forensic Pathology.

You got it man. Everyone is lying to you. Except the NY Post.

So many people just falling off ladders all of a sudden. What a mystery.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[NBA Sheady]

Seven in ten younger COVID-19 patients show 'mild' organ damage months after infection

Please stop talking about the mortality rate.

https://www.firstpost.com/health/seven-in-ten-younger-covid-19-patients-show-mild-organ-damage-months-after-infection-9022831.html

This right here is why people need to smarten the F up. We don't know yet what it does to us after "recovery". This isn't just the flu.

Just fear tactics - fact is the flu is more deadly for kids. Covid rarely kill the young bottom line.

Feel bad for those kids, but nobody talks abut the millions that are completely healthy after battling the virus without damage months after.

Media always fishing for the scary stories for clicks.

Are you suggesting the scientists that PUBLISHED THIS STUDY are engaging in fear tactics?

The stupid. It burns.

I didn't think the morons in here could possibly respond to the results of this study with sheer stupidity but I continue to overestimate the common sense of my fellow man.

[Wo1verine]

This right here is why people need to smarten the F up. We don't know yet what it does to us after "recovery". This isn't just the flu.

Just fear tactics - fact is the flu is more deadly for kids. Covid rarely kill the young bottom line.

Feel bad for those kids, but nobody talks abut the millions that are completely healthy after battling the virus without damage months after.

Media always fishing for the scary stories for clicks.

Are you suggesting the scientists that PUBLISHED THIS STUDY are engaging in fear tactics?

The stupid. It burns.

I didn't think the morons in here could possibly respond to the results of this study with sheer stupidity but I continue to overestimate the common sense of my fellow man.

I'm suggesting it's not a big deal and used to scare people - Not to compare both viruses but the flu is more deadly for kids and lots of the time kids have long-term issues while battling the flu - Why is it anymore scary now?

[NBA Sheady]

Just fear tactics - fact is the flu is more deadly for kids. Covid rarely kill the young bottom line.

Feel bad for those kids, but nobody talks abut the millions that are completely healthy after battling the virus without damage months after.

Media always fishing for the scary stories for clicks.

Are you suggesting the scientists that PUBLISHED THIS STUDY are engaging in fear tactics?

The stupid. It burns.

I didn't think the morons in here could possibly respond to the results of this study with sheer stupidity but I continue to overestimate the common sense of my fellow man.

I'm suggesting it's not a big deal and used to scare people - Not to compare both viruses but the flu is more deadly for kids and lots of the time kids have long-term issues while battling the flu - Why is it anymore scary now?

If you don't think 70% of people having organ damage post-COVID is a big deal you are incapable of thought.

Just fear tactics - fact is the flu is more deadly for kids. Covid rarely kill the young bottom line.

Feel bad for those kids, but nobody talks abut the millions that are completely healthy after battling the virus without damage months after.

Media always fishing for the scary stories for clicks.

Are you suggesting the scientists that PUBLISHED THIS STUDY are engaging in fear tactics?

The stupid. It burns.

I didn't think the morons in here could possibly respond to the results of this study with sheer stupidity but I continue to overestimate the common sense of my fellow man.

I'm suggesting it's not a big deal and used to scare people - Not to compare both viruses but the flu is more deadly for kids and lots of the time kids have long-term issues while battling the flu - Why is it anymore scary now?

Post a study showing a HUGE percentage of post-flu complications.

[GQStylin]

Seven in ten younger COVID-19 patients show 'mild' organ damage months after infection

Please stop talking about the mortality rate.

https://www.firstpost.com/health/seven-in-ten-younger-covid-19-patients-show-mild-organ-damage-months-after-infection-9022831.html

So we went from the need to flatten the curve, to preventing deaths to now the need to prevent 'mild' organ damage and other side effects? So pretty much there's always going to be a reason that we need to hold the populations of entire countries hostage over this virus then.

At some point when its been established that the virus isn't as lethal as people thought it was and that our medical system isn't going to collapse over it, then it should be time to be thinking about stopping the continued damage to our economy, our society and our people over it.

To put things in perspective, even after all this time only 0.0089% of ALL Canadians have gotten the virus. That's right throughout this entire pandemic after all these months, not even 1% of all Canadians have gotten the virus. Even if you multiply it by a factor of ten to account for unconfirmed cases, that still means 90%+ of Canadians remain infection free to date. Why do we need to constantly keep our entire population in a state of panic over numbers like that? Even in the US which has a much higher rate of infection, over 94% of Americans are virus free.

So I'm wondering why are we all worrying about these various side effects of the virus when the overwhelming number of people aren't even infected by the virus to begin with? Also before this virus hit, everyday that you went out into the world there's always a chance of something happening to you that might effect your life or even take your life and yet you went out anyways without thinking twice. Why is this virus the one thing that changes all that?

Why not just acknowledge that there's a small chance of you catching the virus, there's an even smaller chance that it significantly affects you and an even smaller chance of you dying from it if you're a decently healthy person and then simply live your life rather than fearing about this single virus and ignoring all the bazillion things that could just as easily harm or even kill you on a daily basis?