Official NBA General Discussion 2022-23 V4.0

[YogurtProducer]

Pascal is good but he is not a #2. Not in todays Nba. I think he can be a 2b type of player. Like if he and current Mikal are on on the same team with a top 8 player. That could work.

Pascal does not have the scoring explosion of a Murray/Kyrie or defensive impact to be a number 2 on a just okay built team. AD is a number 2 and he is a much better player than Pascal. Even going down to someone like PG, he is better than Pascal as a number 2.

That 2019 team was so deep that people just defaulted to Pascal being #2 even though he was barely creating and Lowry put up similar numbers on better efficiency. Impact stats even had Lowry as the better player.

Siakam is a much better player then what he was in 2018-2019 though.

He's definitely a #2 now. I agree that he was very overrated as a #2 for that finals run though lol. He was probably the worst #2 out of the contenders that year.

he is better now but he is still not a number 2 on an "okay' built team is what I mean. He just is never going to be an efficient playoff scorer and he doesn't offer really elite defense. It's just tough to win that way in today league.

Pascal is not a great half court scorer that doesn't change if he is playing with a #1. PG for example is a much better offensive player even if the raw ppg might be similar, because of his gravity on the court especially behind the arc. This while being a better playoff defender than pascal cause of more half court games.

Like Pascal can obviously be a 2nd option on Boston finals team. But that is because Boston is a great overall team and very few teams are like that. Bam is a better second option than Pascal in the playoffs imo, not the scorer but a much better defender and usually top 5 in the playoffs last couple years.

IDK man - it is pretty tough to say what Pascal can do offensively if he had a competent offense around him.

A lot of great scorers would look a lot worse playing with non-shooters everywhere

[HumbleRen]

Like I think Jamal Murray is a significantly better 2nd option than Siakam on the Nuggets but I think Siakam would be a better 2nd option on the Warriors than Murray would.

It's all about the fit.

[Scizzup]

Siakam is a much better player then what he was in 2018-2019 though.

He's definitely a #2 now. I agree that he was very overrated as a #2 for that finals run though lol. He was probably the worst #2 out of the contenders that year.

he is better now but he is still not a number 2 on an "okay' built team is what I mean. He just is never going to be an efficient playoff scorer and he doesn't offer really elite defense. It's just tough to win that way in today league.

Pascal is not a great half court scorer that doesn't change if he is playing with a #1. PG for example is a much better offensive player even if the raw ppg might be similar, because of his gravity on the court especially behind the arc. This while being a better playoff defender than pascal cause of more half court games.

Like Pascal can obviously be a 2nd option on Boston finals team. But that is because Boston is a great overall team and very few teams are like that. Bam is a better second option than Pascal in the playoffs imo, not the scorer but a much better defender and usually top 5 in the playoffs last couple years.

Hm, I don't know about that one. I think Siakam is 100% a better 2nd option than Bam.

I don't think he's the better player though if that makes sense ?

Like Siakam was the 2nd option during the finals run but Lowry was the better player.

That is because you are looking at it through scoring. Pascal is a better 2nd offensive option compared to Bam.

He is not better 2nd option overall on impact. Bam defense in the playoffs is a huge part of Miami being great. Do people realize that Heat are playing unathletic guys that can't defend and Bam has to cover a lot by switching on wings and rebound? This was also the case in 2020 finals run even though Jimmy got the credit. Bam was more impactful in 2 out of 3 series before the finals.

It's like Murray vs AD. AD is clearly the more impactful 2nd option overall cause his defense is a bigger reason for his team winning than Murray offense is for Denver winning for example. Lakers just have fewer good players.

[2019nbachamps]

What’s annoying is Lakers will get Kyrie this summer. Rich keep getting richer. He’ll want to join Lakers and Mavs will be forced to do a S+T for D Lo and other role players.

Kyrie + Lebron + AD isnt enough to win a championship against a healthy Nuggets team in a stacked west. You have to consider age/injuries/off-court drama. That roster would be dangerous like 4 seasons ago, not now.

I agree injuries and drama will play a role but that trio is capable of doing damage in the west. They made the WCF and as a 7 seed. Kyrie would be the #1 scorer with AD, LeBron, and Reeves as others giving 20 ppg.

Lakers are desperate to win now and have a small window. They’ll bank on LeBron and Ham keeping Kyrie in line.

Lakers have flexibility to get Kyrie and resign Reeves. But rest of squad will be on minimum deals.

[Scizzup]

Siakam is a much better player then what he was in 2018-2019 though.

He's definitely a #2 now. I agree that he was very overrated as a #2 for that finals run though lol. He was probably the worst #2 out of the contenders that year.

he is better now but he is still not a number 2 on an "okay' built team is what I mean. He just is never going to be an efficient playoff scorer and he doesn't offer really elite defense. It's just tough to win that way in today league.

Pascal is not a great half court scorer that doesn't change if he is playing with a #1. PG for example is a much better offensive player even if the raw ppg might be similar, because of his gravity on the court especially behind the arc. This while being a better playoff defender than pascal cause of more half court games.

Like Pascal can obviously be a 2nd option on Boston finals team. But that is because Boston is a great overall team and very few teams are like that. Bam is a better second option than Pascal in the playoffs imo, not the scorer but a much better defender and usually top 5 in the playoffs last couple years.

IDK man - it is pretty tough to say what Pascal can do offensively if he had a competent offense around him.

A lot of great scorers would look a lot worse playing with non-shooters everywhere

Yes, great shooters scorers will also look worse in less ideal situation. But it should be obvious of what Pascal baseline on offense is by now. It's not a knock on him either. He just has clear limitations.

He is not a east to west player nor is he a great pull up shooter or gets to the rim like Zion/Bron/Giannis.

Even Giannis who is an ATG still suffers in half court in the post season with spacing. He is just able to use his genetrional athleticism to get to the rim often even with defense selling out.

Like Pascal is not going to suddenly average 25ppg on 60% TS in the playoffs because he is playing with Embiid.

[Pointgod]

What’s annoying is Lakers will get Kyrie this summer. Rich keep getting richer. He’ll want to join Lakers and Mavs will be forced to do a S+T for D Lo and other role players.

I’m a Lakers fan and do not want. I don’t trust Kyrie at all to not act like a **** idiot once he signs his contract. Dallas can keep him. I’d rather resign DLo to a short term contract.

[DreamTeam09]

he is better now but he is still not a number 2 on an "okay' built team is what I mean. He just is never going to be an efficient playoff scorer and he doesn't offer really elite defense. It's just tough to win that way in today league.

Pascal is not a great half court scorer that doesn't change if he is playing with a #1. PG for example is a much better offensive player even if the raw ppg might be similar, because of his gravity on the court especially behind the arc. This while being a better playoff defender than pascal cause of more half court games.

Like Pascal can obviously be a 2nd option on Boston finals team. But that is because Boston is a great overall team and very few teams are like that. Bam is a better second option than Pascal in the playoffs imo, not the scorer but a much better defender and usually top 5 in the playoffs last couple years.

Hm, I don't know about that one. I think Siakam is 100% a better 2nd option than Bam.

I don't think he's the better player though if that makes sense ?

Like Siakam was the 2nd option during the finals run but Lowry was the better player.

That is because you are looking at it through scoring. Pascal is a better 2nd offensive option compared to Bam.

He is not better 2nd option overall on impact. Bam defense in the playoffs is a huge part of Miami being great. Do people realize that Heat are playing unathletic guys that can't defend and Bam has to cover a lot by switching on wings and rebound? This was also the case in 2020 finals run even though Jimmy got the credit. Bam was more impactful in 2 out of 3 series before the finals.

It's like Murray vs AD. AD is clearly the more impactful 2nd option overall cause his defense is a bigger reason for his team winning than Murray offense is for Denver winning for example. Lakers just have fewer good players.

Pascal is better than Bam
A better 2nd option than Bam
If Pascal was on Miami, Bam would be 3rd or 4th option behind Pascal n Herro

Another prisoner of the moment post, at times through the heats last few playoff runs, Bam has been a ghost.(at times)

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Until Pascal hits 3 pointers in playoff games he will never win a damn thing as a #2.

[Scizzup]

Hm, I don't know about that one. I think Siakam is 100% a better 2nd option than Bam.

I don't think he's the better player though if that makes sense ?

Like Siakam was the 2nd option during the finals run but Lowry was the better player.

That is because you are looking at it through scoring. Pascal is a better 2nd offensive option compared to Bam.

He is not better 2nd option overall on impact. Bam defense in the playoffs is a huge part of Miami being great. Do people realize that Heat are playing unathletic guys that can't defend and Bam has to cover a lot by switching on wings and rebound? This was also the case in 2020 finals run even though Jimmy got the credit. Bam was more impactful in 2 out of 3 series before the finals.

It's like Murray vs AD. AD is clearly the more impactful 2nd option overall cause his defense is a bigger reason for his team winning than Murray offense is for Denver winning for example. Lakers just have fewer good players.

Pascal is better than Bam
A better 2nd option than Bam
If Pascal was on Miami, Bam would be 3rd or 4th option behind Pascal n Herro

Another prisoner of the moment post, at times through the heats last few playoff runs, Bam has been a ghost.(at times)

Bam would still be the more impactful player. When I say 2nd option I am speaking on overall impact not who can score more.

If you switch Bam for Pascal right now, are the Heat still playing? No, cause they already lost in round 1.

Just the fact that Bam is more flexible for roster construction in playoffs is already a plus. Issue with Pascal is you can't task him to carry your offense or defense.

Edit: Lol if you Tyler hero is better than Bam. part of why Miami been this good is because they have one less cone and can now play their better 3 point shooters.

[mdenny]

That's what happens when you get to play off of LBJ n AD

Those % aren't gonna be the same when he's a 1st option 90mill coaching staffs are spending resources to scout n counter your game.

Neither of them touched that kind of otherworldly efficiency playing alongside Kawhi and 3 all stars. Your logic is flawed.

Could have sworn played huge roles in winning a championship. Maybe I am forgetting something here.

The best comparison by role from the raptors to Reaves is Scotty.

So Reaves > fake ROY scotty I guess?

Am I doing it right?

[bballsparkin]

Pascal is better than Bam
A better 2nd option than Bam
If Pascal was on Miami, Bam would be 3rd or 4th option behind Pascal n Herro

Another prisoner of the moment post, at times through the heats last few playoff runs, Bam has been a ghost.(at times)

IMHO, your position would have been better had you not added Herro.

[GP2]

Watching Lowry makes me happy.

[TrustFundBaby]

I never want to hear Jaylen Brown is better at basketball than Siakam again

The guy can't dribble and loses the ball multiple times a game

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I never want to hear Jaylen Brown is better at basketball than Siakam again

The guy can't dribble and loses the ball multiple times a game

Jaylen Brown is better at basketball than Siakam

In reality his gameplay is garbage outside of his TS% both of them suck in the playoffs

[WuTang_CMB]

This miami team is running a clinic. Everyone in perfect spots and know their role. Unselfish. Joy to watch. Spoelstra can flat out coach

[HumbleRen]

C's are getting dissected apart. Pump fake, penetration and kick.

It's a beautiful game.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

God the Heat are unreal, Philly would have gotten destroyed by them in the ECF as well

[Los_29]

Boston’s poor defense has been a huge reason why they haven’t had as much playoff success as last year. They are letting Duncan Robinson drive to the basket for easy layups. That guy barely played this year. Lol.

[Scizzup]

Heat shooting is so fake lol.

They went from bottom 5 shooting in RS to this. Even Duncan Robinson been good. Nah, you just have to shake their hands.

Edit: Even last year when they shot well in the RS it wasn't this good in the post season.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

C's are getting dissected apart. Pump fake, penetration and kick.

It's a beautiful game.

Too bad OG sucks at putting the ball on the floor and doing that. That's how you beat a team trying to deny you the 3.