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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1421 » by 720 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 9:39 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:Scottie really missed having Siakam and Fred no? As much as "pecking order" conversations, he really relied on them to take the attention.

Hopefully Ingram and a healthy Quickley can do that again.


Like he missed being stuck in the corner. Which we hope don't happen again.


I think it's a bit of both.

Let's not having him stuck launching 3s in the corner but he's also shown he's not capable of being the main option.

Because of one season where he shot poorly (surrounded by scrubs), and had multiple injuries? This was his age 23 season. He can easily improve and show that he can be a main option guy. Lowry, the greatest Raptor of all time was averaging 9 points his age 23 season. It took Lowry 3 years as a raptor to eventually become a top 15 player in the league.

One season, we’re talking about one season as the main guy where there were multiple variables going against him.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1422 » by Duffman100 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 9:42 pm

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Like he missed being stuck in the corner. Which we hope don't happen again.


I think it's a bit of both.

Let's not having him stuck launching 3s in the corner but he's also shown he's not capable of being the main option.

Because of one season where he shot poorly (surrounded by scrubs), and had multiple injuries? This was his age 23 season. He can easily improve and show that he can be a main option guy. Lowry, the greatest Raptor of all time was averaging 9 points his age 23 season. It took Lowry 3 years as a raptor to eventually become a top 15 player in the league.

Once season, we’re talking about one season as the main guy where there were multiple variables going against him.


I think he can be a top 20 player in the league (maybe better). But like Lowry I don't think he can the top offensive option for a title team.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1423 » by 720 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 9:47 pm

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I think it's a bit of both.

Let's not having him stuck launching 3s in the corner but he's also shown he's not capable of being the main option.

Because of one season where he shot poorly (surrounded by scrubs), and had multiple injuries? This was his age 23 season. He can easily improve and show that he can be a main option guy. Lowry, the greatest Raptor of all time was averaging 9 points his age 23 season. It took Lowry 3 years as a raptor to eventually become a top 15 player in the league.

Once season, we’re talking about one season as the main guy where there were multiple variables going against him.


I think he can be a top 20 player in the league (maybe better). But like Lowry I don't think he can the top offensive option for a title team.

Regarding Lowry’s shortcomings in the playoffs. I strongly feel like we were robbed of some great playoff runs because Lowry was constantly getting injured right before the playoffs in multiple runs. One year it’s the elbow, another year it’s his lower back. When Lowry was top 15 in the league in RPM, I feel like he could have taken us far if it were not for his injuries going in (not championship, because we had fraud Demar as his sidekick, but still farther).
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1424 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun Jul 6, 2025 10:15 pm

Boogie! wrote:Every year I see this ****. Last year he was a historically bad 3 point shooter.


Let him work on it.

He's still only 23 and has shown flashes before of being a decent outside shooter.
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Post#1425 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:30 am

He’s 24 and he’s had only 2-3 months of good shooting from the 3 out of his 4 year career.

I think it’s okay for people to give up on him ever being a competent 3 point shooter. He should still work on it but not at the detriment of the team like this recent season. Take smarter 3’s, dont chuck again.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1426 » by tsherkin » Mon Jul 7, 2025 1:06 am

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Boogie! wrote:Every year I see this ****. Last year he was a historically bad 3 point shooter.


Let him work on it.

He's still only 23 and has shown flashes before of being a decent outside shooter.


Not really. He's shown a trend of shooting well for a month or two, which has sometimes been overrepresented by a short season. And he's been dreadful from the corners, which isn't a hot indicator of developing shooting proficiency.

720 wrote:Because of one season where he shot poorly (surrounded by scrubs), and had multiple injuries?


No, because of 4 weak to terrible seasons with consequential minutes and volume, plus the absence of elite athleticism and the lack of any clear arc of development that matters. It ever happens that guys develop in meaningful ways after the end of their rookie deals, but it's pretty clear that he's got a long way to go as a scorer, and that we shouldn't be forcing the issue while trying to win. We need to be shaping his possessions to lend him his best chance of success... and that'll probably be more in the mold of a lower-volume 4. With Quick back and BI incoming, there's no reason to ram live-dribble possessions to Scottie beyond transition.

Along the way, if he begins to show us that he's trending upwards... great. Then we can pivot and start trying to take advantage of that more. But for now, we need reset with him, and try to focus on getting him better, simpler, higher-percentage looks after 4 years of seeing the same basic deficiencies. Our team has a DIRE issue with scoring efficiency, and with offensive efficacy in general. We don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot right off the gun.

This was his age 23 season. He can easily improve and show that he can be a main option guy. Lowry, the greatest Raptor of all time was averaging 9 points his age 23 season. It took Lowry 3 years as a raptor to eventually become a top 15 player in the league.


His raw average was less interesting than his demonstrable ability to get to the basket and draw fouls, coupled to his playmaking and his J inside the arc. Lowry took a while to be worth the usage he showed later, but he also had other valuable traits offensively. Scottie is considerably more limited in his utility on that end.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1427 » by dballislife » Mon Jul 7, 2025 1:27 am

i have faith both scottie and cmb can in the future take about 3 3pointers a game and make around 1 for about 32-33%...which isn't good but at least they can hit one occasionally to keep defense honest
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1428 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:11 am

Scottie sounded great in his interview during SL game 2, all about business and seemed locked in.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1429 » by Appostis » Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:08 am

dballislife wrote:i have faith both scottie and cmb can in the future take about 3 3pointers a game and make around 1 for about 32-33%...which isn't good but at least they can hit one occasionally to keep defense honest



If somehow both of them gained a decent shot.. that's a pretty insane team.

Legitimately a lineup you could have BI at the and CMB/Scotty at the 3/4 for massive size or a small ball lineup with Scotty at the 5.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1430 » by tsherkin » Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:57 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Scottie sounded great in his interview during SL game 2, all about business and seemed locked in.


Would be really nice to see a consistently-aggressive Scottie.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1431 » by OakleyDokely » Mon Jul 14, 2025 2:06 pm

Scottie vs Mogbo vs CMB

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1432 » by niQ » Mon Jul 14, 2025 2:54 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie vs Mogbo vs CMB

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We needed an Emergency Barnes for our Emergency Barnes.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1433 » by tsherkin » Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:43 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie vs Mogbo vs CMB

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We needed an Emergency Barnes for our Emergency Barnes.


Both of these posts made me laugh, heh.

Now we just need at least ONE of them to learn how to be a sufficiently-dangerous as a shooter.

Will continue watching Mogbo's finishing, since he can still be a fine bench player without a shot as an undersized 5 if he can just actually make high-percentage looks in tight.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1434 » by niQ » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:29 pm

tsherkin wrote:
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OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie vs Mogbo vs CMB

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We needed an Emergency Barnes for our Emergency Barnes.


Both of these posts made me laugh, heh.

Now we just need at least ONE of them to learn how to be a sufficiently-dangerous as a shooter.

Will continue watching Mogbo's finishing, since he can still be a fine bench player without a shot as an undersized 5 if he can just actually make high-percentage looks in tight.


Haven't seen much of CMB, but I'd say Scottie is probably the furthest along out of the 3.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1435 » by tsherkin » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:18 pm

niQ wrote:Haven't seen much of CMB, but I'd say Scottie is probably the furthest along out of the 3.


It's possible, based on the FT shooting, but CMB does seem to have about as much of a pull-up as Scottie, so we'll see how he looks. And, of course, how Scottie performs this year.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1436 » by canada_dry » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:36 pm

No more excuses. Put up or shut up season.

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Post#1437 » by Tripod » Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:29 pm

canada_dry wrote:No more excuses. Put up or shut up season.

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As if a ROTY and All.Star season doesnt exist...
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1438 » by tsherkin » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:07 pm

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canada_dry wrote:No more excuses. Put up or shut up season.

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As if a ROTY and All.Star season doesnt exist...


People weigh the value and merit of those selections differently.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1439 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:37 pm

Wish we got this type of training from Scottie….

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1440 » by TheGeneral99 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:23 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Wish we got this type of training from Scottie….

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Would be an interesting alternative universe were we took Mobley at #4 instead of Scottie. Obviously was a great pick at #4 considering Mobley was already taken. I remember in the draft the rumour was that Mobley was our #1 guy and Scottie was our #2.

We would have FVV, Gary, OG, Pascal and Mobley...probably more balance in the line-up and a better fit alongside Pascal, OG and FVV. You don't have to trade for Poeltl.

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