Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread

[Hendrix]

I'm starting to like T Jones quite a bit. Think he's my 2nd favorite prospect behind Irving atm.

One thing I noticed with his free throw shooting though is he holds the ball way to much in the palm of his hand and lets the ball roll of his hand instead of holding it in his fingertips. You're going to end up with a pretty inconsistant release like that. Should be a pretty easy fix to help his jumpshooting. Other then that he looks pretty fluid on his jumper.

[sunny]

I'm starting to like T Jones quite a bit. Think he's my 2nd favorite prospect behind Irving atm.

One thing I noticed with his free throw shooting though is he holds the ball way to much in the palm of his hand and lets the ball roll of his hand instead of holding it in his fingertips. You're going to end up with a pretty inconsistant release like that. Should be a pretty easy fix to help his jumpshooting. Other then that he looks pretty fluid on his jumper.

its real hard to evaluate tjones because of kanter being ruled ineligible. as a result, he is kentucky's only big and has to play quite differently.

[Hendrix]

He seems like he has the skills atleast to play the 3 in the NBA from what I can see. P Jones otoh I don't really think is a SF though in the NBA

[baulderdash77]

Singleton strikes again- helping to shut down Boston College

http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310220052

"They don't give you a clean look," first-year Boston College coach Steve Donahue said. "You have to play offense for 30 seconds and work your tail off on offense to get a good shot."

The Eagles came into the contest averaging 75.5 points a game, but shot just 35.4 percent (17 of 48). Florida State is holding opponents to a 34.9 shooting percentage this season, the best mark in the country.

BC's Reggie Jackson, the ACC's second-leading scorer, was scoreless until the final second of the half when he sank three free throws after being fouled on a 3-point attempt. The free throws pulled the Eagles to within 29-27 at the break. He finished with 13 points. Jackson, who was averaging 19.4 points a game, got his first field goal with a mid-range jumper with 16:10 left in the game.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Can Chris Singleton be a Shawn Marion-type player? I watched the 1st half of that game before tuning in to the MIA-TOR game...and he didn't really stand out, but one thing I noticed, he is a big, long, SF...and unlike Julian Wright, his shooting form isn't all too bad.

Oh, and Jimmer Fredette is an incredible scorer. 42 pts on 11-24 FGs, 4-9 3pt FGs, and 16-17 FTs. Amazing. Not sure about PG ability b/c we just don't get to see many of his games with BYU exclusively on Mountain West TV, but he's a pretty intriguing player, I must say.

[Snakeyes]

An interesting prospect is Lucas Nogueira

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-5fJFFzZc[/youtube]

Legit 7 footer, seems like he has the frame to add muscle, extremely athletic. Has Varejao/Noah hair which makes it seem like he loves to rebound

Ford actually has him in the late 20s right now. I'm seeing a top in the 20 roll the dice on him. So probably not an option unless we move up, or his draft buzz skyrockets into top 7 range. It might, Whiteside had buzz that high last year and right now I like Nogueira more

This guy has caught my interest. With a good amount of luck we could snag him with the MIA pick while drafting Irving.

[sunny]

derrick williams just passed his career rebound high.

although he's been glued to the bench for much of the 2nd because of the refs fixing this game.

worst officiated game I have ever seen in my entire life. Hopefully the media makes a big deal about what transpired earlier.

[sunny]

16 points, 19 rebounds and 9 oboards

[sunny]

amazing victory for AZ tonight.

[turner10]

nbadraft.net has derrick williams going number one right now haha..i've heard good things about him though but doubt he would go number one

[sunny]

nbadraft.net has derrick williams going number one right now haha..i've heard good things about him though but doubt he would go number one

if he declares this year, he wont go number 1.
Although scouts are raving about him... and for good reason.
He is the most dominant player right now in cbb (maybe other than Jimmer)
if he stays for next year, Cats will be a final four contender and with Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson, he will look unstoppable.

His only flaw is that he's forced to play the 4/5 on AZ and he will probably need to play the 3 in the nba.

[CunningLinguist]

Does he have the type of defense to anchor a team though? I haven't seen him play. I doubt he can be better on defense than Davis. I can see Davis being a 15-11 guy in his prime, like an Antonio Davis. I'd rather let him develop and trade Kanter for someone who can plug our holes at a SF or PG.[/quote]

Well Davis and Kanter could play together and give us a REALLY good defensive frontcourt. And maybe we move out Bargs a few years down the road Kevin Martin, Al Jefferson style

Kanter is > Davis, he has way more offensive upside and a presumed ability to play C will make him more valuable than Davis who is strictly a defensive PF. Anyways if we land in the 3 spot or w/e, there's no problem taking Kanter and fitting him in beside Davis and Bargnani with Amir as the bench guy - and then seeing what we have after a few years[/quote]

I'm not sure why you make the assumption that Kanter is this great defensive force at the centre position. He's an offensively skilled player that plays below the rim. He doesn't have the hops to be a weakside shotblocking force. I don't think this draft has any really good prospects at the C position. Let's not try to force a pick based on a perceived need.

[baulderdash77]

Derrick Williams is probably too small to be a good PF in the NBA and maybe not athletic enough to be good SF in the NBA. I think he's going to be like Corlis Williamson in the NBA.

[sunny]

Derrick Williams is probably too small to be a good PF in the NBA and maybe not athletic enough to be good SF in the NBA. I think he's going to be like Corlis Williamson in the NBA.

its possible.

it depends if he declares this year or next because his game will change drastically for next season.

I think he will be more successful in the nba than T jones or P Jones to be honest though.

[baulderdash77]

Corlis Williamson isn't a critiscim of him either.

He was dominant in college as a PF but couldn't play that in the NBA. Then he had a 12 year career and scored almost 10,000 points. He was the NBA 6th man of the year once, runner up for MIP and he was the 6th man on the Piston's championship team.

But their games and builds are similar- undersized PF's who can post up SF's and come in for instant offense but not mainstays as starters.

[KL78192020]

The Wiz are now ahead of us!!! NJ is right there as well. Tank on.

[Silk Wilkes]

Let's think about things for a second in relation to Kyrie. There are 4 teams worse than us at 3:27 pm on Sunday, January 23rd. They are:

Cleveland 8-35
Sacramento 9-32
Minnesota 10-33
New Jersey 12-32
Toronto 13-31

With things going the way they currently are, I could see us trading spots with New Jersey to get the 4th most balls ...in the lottery.

NOW,

Minnesota has Johnny Flynn AND the brilliant David Kahn would bet his life savings Ricky Rubio was coming over next season to become a Wolf.

Sacramento has Tyreke Evans, as well as Beno Udrih, BUT I'm not exactly sure how they see Tyreke. Obviously, if they see Beno as their point guard as the future Kyrie is the obvious choice, but if they see Tyreke as their point guard as the future Kyrie would be a pass for them.

Cleveland has Mo Williams who is a nice player but I'm not sure how Cleveland sees him. I could definitely see them going after a guy like Perry Jones if they get the first overall pick. I'd hope and pray Cleveland got the first pick if we don't.

New Jersey has Devin Harris so I doubt they'd take Kyrie. I could see them going for more of a wing player such as Terrence Jones or even Derrick Williams.

Washington is also a threat but they just drafted John Wall, so yea...

The bottom line is, if we continue to tank I could see us finishing with the second worse record in which case we could get 5th pick at worst, if I'm not mistaken. I think Bryan really needs to do his homework if we're gonna get Kyrie. If teams in front of us want him, we gotta make them an enticing offer, which is VERY possible if we play our cards right. TANK NATION ONWARD!

[Rapsobsessed7]

Let's think about things for a second in relation to Kyrie. There are 4 teams worse than us at 3:27 pm on Sunday, January 23rd. They are:

Cleveland 8-35
Sacramento 9-32
Minnesota 10-33
New Jersey 12-32
Toronto 13-31

With things going the way they currently are, I could see us trading spots with New Jersey to get the 4th most balls ...in the lottery.

NOW,

Minnesota has Johnny Flynn AND the brilliant David Kahn would bet his life savings Ricky Rubio was coming over next season to become a Wolf.

Sacramento has Tyreke Evans, as well as Beno Udrih, BUT I'm not exactly sure how they see Tyreke. Obviously, if they see Beno as their point guard as the future Kyrie is the obvious choice, but if they see Tyreke as their point guard as the future Kyrie would be a pass for them.

Cleveland has Mo Williams who is a nice player but I'm not sure how Cleveland sees him. I could definitely see them going after a guy like Perry Jones if they get the first overall pick. I'd hope and pray Cleveland got the first pick if we don't.

New Jersey has Devin Harris so I doubt they'd take Kyrie. I could see them going for more of a wing player such as Terrence Jones or even Derrick Williams.

Washington is also a threat but they just drafted John Wall, so yea...

The bottom line is, if we continue to tank I could see us finishing with the second worse record in which case we could get 5th pick at worst, if I'm not mistaken. I think Bryan really needs to do his homework if we're gonna get Kyrie. If teams in front of us want him, we gotta make them an enticing offer, which is VERY possible if we play our cards right. TANK NATION ONWARD!

The way i see it is this.

SAC: has been searching for a PG the entire year. They will draft Irving if they have the #1 spot. Theres no doubt about it. Beno will move back to the backup role. Now if they acquire a PG at any time between now and the deadline than that could change.

Better yet, they need Geoff Petrie to acquire a more conventional point guard – or a player whose skills would better complement those of Evans – and accelerate the learning process. (The Kings are aggressively pursuing a move and reportedly have inquired about Atlanta's Jeff Teague and Houston's Aaron Brooks, among others, though team officials declined to comment on the speculation.)

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/24/320852 ... z1BtP3epCe

CLE: Will take the best player available. I could see them taking Perry Jones over Irving because they have Williams and Gibson at PG but they could just as easily take Irving.

MIN: Will not take Irving. They have Flynn, Rubio and Ridnour all on the roster. They wont take another PG and if they get the #1 pick maybe they trade it and get some assets to move down and get a SF

NJ: Interesting case, ideally i wanted them to get Melo but i could see them taking a PG too (and moving Harris) but with Harris still being young maybe they move to a SF more

WAS: Took wall and have Hinrich, they wont take Irving.

right now i would deal Calderon, deal Barbosa and hope to get young players/expiring contracts. It would make us worse now and wed look to position a move for Irving. If someone takes him or gets the #1 pick we start making offers for him which we have the assets to do.

[princeofpalace]

Corlis Williamson isn't a critiscim of him either.

He was dominant in college as a PF but couldn't play that in the NBA. Then he had a 12 year career and scored almost 10,000 points. He was the NBA 6th man of the year once, runner up for MIP and he was the 6th man on the Piston's championship team.

But their games and builds are similar- undersized PF's who can post up SF's and come in for instant offense but not mainstays as starters.

Corliss was 6'7'' and thats even a bit too generous. Derrick Williams has atleast 2 inches on him and appears to be more athletic.

[Silk Wilkes]

Let's think about things for a second in relation to Kyrie. There are 4 teams worse than us at 3:27 pm on Sunday, January 23rd. They are:

Cleveland 8-35
Sacramento 9-32
Minnesota 10-33
New Jersey 12-32
Toronto 13-31

With things going the way they currently are, I could see us trading spots with New Jersey to get the 4th most balls ...in the lottery.

NOW,

Minnesota has Johnny Flynn AND the brilliant David Kahn would bet his life savings Ricky Rubio was coming over next season to become a Wolf.

Sacramento has Tyreke Evans, as well as Beno Udrih, BUT I'm not exactly sure how they see Tyreke. Obviously, if they see Beno as their point guard as the future Kyrie is the obvious choice, but if they see Tyreke as their point guard as the future Kyrie would be a pass for them.

Cleveland has Mo Williams who is a nice player but I'm not sure how Cleveland sees him. I could definitely see them going after a guy like Perry Jones if they get the first overall pick. I'd hope and pray Cleveland got the first pick if we don't.

New Jersey has Devin Harris so I doubt they'd take Kyrie. I could see them going for more of a wing player such as Terrence Jones or even Derrick Williams.

Washington is also a threat but they just drafted John Wall, so yea...

The bottom line is, if we continue to tank I could see us finishing with the second worse record in which case we could get 5th pick at worst, if I'm not mistaken. I think Bryan really needs to do his homework if we're gonna get Kyrie. If teams in front of us want him, we gotta make them an enticing offer, which is VERY possible if we play our cards right. TANK NATION ONWARD!

The way i see it is this.

SAC: has been searching for a PG the entire year. They will draft Irving if they have the #1 spot. Theres no doubt about it. Beno will move back to the backup role. Now if they acquire a PG at any time between now and the deadline than that could change.

Better yet, they need Geoff Petrie to acquire a more conventional point guard – or a player whose skills would better complement those of Evans – and accelerate the learning process. (The Kings are aggressively pursuing a move and reportedly have inquired about Atlanta's Jeff Teague and Houston's Aaron Brooks, among others, though team officials declined to comment on the speculation.)

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/24/320852 ... z1BtP3epCe

CLE: Will take the best player available. I could see them taking Perry Jones over Irving because they have Williams and Gibson at PG but they could just as easily take Irving.

MIN: Will not take Irving. They have Flynn, Rubio and Ridnour all on the roster. They wont take another PG and if they get the #1 pick maybe they trade it and get some assets to move down and get a SF

NJ: Interesting case, ideally i wanted them to get Melo but i could see them taking a PG too (and moving Harris) but with Harris still being young maybe they move to a SF more

WAS: Took wall and have Hinrich, they wont take Irving.

right now i would deal Calderon, deal Barbosa and hope to get young players/expiring contracts. It would make us worse now and wed look to position a move for Irving. If someone takes him or gets the #1 pick we start making offers for him which we have the assets to do.

Yea, I agree with what you say. I think our main threats are Cleveland and Sacramento but you never know. Someone else could take him if they like one of our players and make demands in terms of what they would want for him if we made an offer. I could see Kahn taking him just because he's a point guard collector, but they definitely need a wing more than Kyrie. It's possible to out tank Sacto, but the lottery is way too iffy. I don't think they want Jose or Jerryd, so we have to hope someone else gets them a more conventional point guard. We also have to hope we end up higher than Cleveland or hope they draft Perry/Terrence/Derrick, etc. Major research will need to be done assuming Colangelo is on the Kyrie bandwagon as well.