Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[ty123]

I was rooting for the Derozan pick. He was always a versatile scorer and if you look at his high school videos you see a very interesting SG prospect.
I'm not in love with PG's that have absolutely no court vision. If you want to make yourself look like a fool go post a thread who is a better pg prospect Brandon Knight or Myck Kabongo/Tony Wroten jr. /Thread.

Calm down smart guy. I think any intelligent person would agree you have to compare them at the same levels. At this point Brandon would win out since he was the better high school prospect. Am I saying Brandon is guaranteed to be a star while Tony & Myck are sure to fail? No. I think I admitted I liked them as potential prospects. Tony and Myck could very well turn out better than Brandon. Now do you get it? Got it? Good, since you understood.

Better high school rankings aren't worth ****. So no, Brandon doesn't automatically win out.

[OAKLEY_2]

Yeah, you shouldn't like Knight's defense or quickness. Knight's not that quick. He has trouble getting by quick guards in college. And he's not a good defender.

Running down the floor on the fast break like Demar he is quite fast. He is not like Rose who changes gears with little effort. Let's call it the 0-60 factor. His defence is generally considered to be good. I haven't heard anyone anywhere say he wasn't a good defender unless he is forced to defend against NBA shooting guards. Where he is similar with Demar is he did have some struggles in college at year 1 and appears to be raw and still learning as a rookie. He is barely 18 and a half.

[prototype]

It's pointless when people hype up high school players before they even play a game at the college level. I still remember threads during last offseason where everyone was amped up about this year's draft class filled with future star PG's and how Harrison Barnes is the next Kobe.

[Silk Wilkes]

I was rooting for the Derozan pick. He was always a versatile scorer and if you look at his high school videos you see a very interesting SG prospect.
I'm not in love with PG's that have absolutely no court vision. If you want to make yourself look like a fool go post a thread who is a better pg prospect Brandon Knight or Myck Kabongo/Tony Wroten jr. /Thread.

Calm down smart guy. I think any intelligent person would agree you have to compare them at the same levels. At this point Brandon would win out since he was the better high school prospect. Am I saying Brandon is guaranteed to be a star while Tony & Myck are sure to fail? No. I think I admitted I liked them as potential prospects. Tony and Myck could very well turn out better than Brandon. Now do you get it? Got it? Good, since you understood.

Better high school rankings aren't worth ****. So no, Brandon doesn't automatically win out.

Wow you're really slow. I said you'd need to compare them at the same level. The fact is Tony and Myck are still in high school which is a level Brandon was better at. /Conversation I'm not Brandon's agent if you're not smart enough to understand what I'm saying keep going.

[ty123]

I'm sorry but Myck and Tony are much better pg's at the high school level than Brandon Knight. That ranking system is garbage.

[OAKLEY_2]

It's pointless when people hype up high school players before they even play a game at the college level. I still remember threads during last offseason where everyone was amped up about this year's draft class filled with future star PG's and how Harrison Barnes is the next Kobe.

What people do on these boards does make him any better or any worse as a player. This kid turned down a lot of big name school offers. BTW Harrison Barnes is still pretty darn good.

[Silk Wilkes]

I'm sorry but Myck and Tony are much better pg's at the high school level than Brandon Knight. That ranking system is garbage.

Sure boo boo whatever floats your boat.

It's pointless when people hype up high school players before they even play a game at the college level. I still remember threads during last offseason where everyone was amped up about this year's draft class filled with future star PG's and how Harrison Barnes is the next Kobe.

What people do on these boards does make him any better or any worse as a player. This kid turned down a lot of big name school offers. BTW Harrison Barnes is still pretty darn good.

Talking about Brandon Knight?

[ty123]

You can believe whatever you want to believe. But I'm not buying into any of that Knight, all-star potential bull. He's a crappy point guard prospect who I don't want to spend 2-3 seasons developing.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Knight does profile similarly to guys BC has been interested in, in the past - Jrue Holiday, Avery Bradley, even Bayless.

So, in that sense, I do think Knight is a very strong candidate for our pick.

[Rapsobsessed7]

heres the way i look at this with #5.

- Irving/Williams are for sure gone when we pick.
- Kanter is a possibility (maybe Utah/CLE doesnt like him and he slips like Chad Ford said, or you trade up with Utah who will want Knight
- Kemba/Knight: One is for sure going to be there.

so ending up with Kanter/Walker/Knight is a good thing for us. As bad as dropping to 5th was. We still are going to get a good player. What i could see playing out.

CLE: Irving
MIN: D.Williams (traded)
UTA: Knight/Kanter/Walker
CLE: Kanter/Biyombo/Leonard (they like him a lot i heard, with Av/Hickson there makes sense)
TOR: Kanter/Knight/Walker

so if Knight/Walker and Kanter are both selected you have an easy choice. Walker or Knight whoever Utah doesnt pick.

I honestly think both will be good. Knight more defensive potential, Kemba more scoring potential. Either are worlds better than Jose Calderon and Jerryd Bayless is not our solution at PG contrary to
the boards belief, hes one of those guys that has a good couple games and gets overrated (see sonny weems last year). Now does that mean hes a throw in, in a deal, NO. I think what he is though is a successor to Barbosa. A combo guard off the bench who is instant offense. Thats what i think Jerryd Bayless' role is.

Say you draft Walker/Knight

Walker or Knight / Bayless
Derozan / SG
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / C / Alabi

SG + C filled via a Calderon/Barbosa trade where we get younger. Thats a good start to next year. You cant go wrong with either PG IMO and Kanter is a solid player too though he scares me a bit. Either way were going to have good options there.

If i were to pick and this is based on potential defensively (what we need most is defense at the point of attack) is Brandon Knight. I think he can be a rondo on D.

[tmac101]

If we draft Knight its because BC intends to trade barbosa

Bayless/ Jose
Demar/ knight
Johnson/ Klezia
Davis/Amir
Bargnani/ FA

[bonjovi0308]

My guess:

1st pick will be Irving. Although the Cavs might acutally be better off getting Williams, I just don't think anyone will have the gut trading away the 1st overall pick or using it to pick Williams.

2nd pick will likely be Williams. It might not be the Wovles though.

3rd pick by Utah. My guess is it would be either Kather or Knight. Despite already having Al Jefferson and Mislap, I heard they would still need some young bigs for defense and rebounds; with Devin Harris still playing PG, it makes more sense for them picking Knight over Walker because Knight is simply younger, if they chose to pick a PG.

4th pick by Cavs should not be a PG under normal circumstance. If Kather is here they would probably get him; if he was taken by Utah already, they might actually pick Kawhi Leonard(especially if he has a good camp). They might also trade this pick to another team for other young guns or to dump salaries.

5th pick by Raps: Based on my guess, there is a good chance that Walker could fall to us, even if he has a good camp. It just doesn't make sense for the Cavs to pick Irving and Walker and play them together (they also have baron davis already). The greatest risk is the Cavs trade away their 4th pick and the new team acutally use it to pick Walker. All in all, by the time we pick at least one of Walker, Knight or Kather must be available.

[WhatsaTDot]

I dont think Triano will hand over the keys to the offense to a rookie PG especially while Jose & Bayless are still around. Ed Davis couldn't even average 25mpg once he got healthy.

Is there a way to sort what kind of minutes the rookies got last year by team?

[OAKLEY_2]

I dont think Triano will hand over the keys to the offense to a rookie PG especially while Jose & Bayless are still around. Ed Davis couldn't even average 25mpg once he got healthy.

BC will be the one influencing the minutes and jay will follow the plan. First we have to pick a point guard. The big thing for us to look at is a comparison of Kanter or Knight or Kemba with the 5th selection. Especially Knight vs. Kemba. Like the ping pong balls my thought is the highest chance is we'll get Kemba followed by Knight or Kanter. Kanter is so easily scooped up at 3 or 4 whereas Knight has a "chance" to go 3rd. With Knight there is potential for an allstar. With Kemba we would have to determine if we can get the same thing by trading for Flynn. Jose is going to me moved and Bayless more than anyone else is the candidate to replace Barbosa. Your point though is correct with either Knight or Val or even Kanter expect a learning curve!

[5DOM]

I dont think Triano will hand over the keys to the offense to a rookie PG especially while Jose & Bayless are still around. Ed Davis couldn't even average 25mpg once he got healthy.

Is there a way to sort what kind of minutes the rookies got last year by team?

One of Bayless and Jose is sure to get traded. And Kemba in particular is more NBA ready than Ed Davis. I expect him to start for us

[nowayguy]

Why would BC determine the minutes? Jay is the coach, I'd hope and pray that he gets to decide how much each player is on the court.

[pspot]

If we do draft Knight I don't mind having Barbosa around to mentor him, at least for part of the season.

Keep him till the trade deadline kind of idea.

I thought Barbosa was great for Bayless

Good move by Williams saying he thinks he can replace Lebron in Cle, Gilbert will eat that **** up

from a reality stand point Williams + Walker/Knight is a viable option

Don't think it actually helps the Raps

[Kevin Willis]

Knight does profile similarly to guys BC has been interested in, in the past - Jrue Holiday, Avery Bradley, even Bayless.

So, in that sense, I do think Knight is a very strong candidate for our pick.

Well said. BC likes his penetrators that can play good D (I understand that Bayless isn't the best defender). Knight is very Holidayish with more offensive game. And then we can trade him for Rubio (Rubio or die tryin'. I kid.).

Much props to Raptorsingh for being one of the first to recognized Leonard as a legitimate prospect.

[phailing101]

I love how much time people are spending on the Kemba/Knight debate when there's a very likelihood BC's going to pull the trigger on Valanciunas or another import.

All of his comment for the last few weeks talk about potentially taking a project who may not contribute immediately.

It might be a smoke screen but I think he's setting the table for Raptor Nation to not revolt when he picks a european.

[McFurious1]

I love how much time people are spending on the Kemba/Knight debate when there's a very likelihood BC's going to pull the trigger on Valanciunas or another import.

All of his comment for the last few weeks talk about potentially taking a project who may not contribute immediately.

It might be a smoke screen but I think he's setting the table for Raptor Nation to not revolt when he picks a european.

god i hope not