Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[Yallbecrazy]

With IQ on the team, not interested in Podz. Moody would be useful bench guy (a 3&D SG/SF), Kuminga is a little risky. Wonder if they could flip him to another team.

That was my first thought, but Podz will eventually be able to play the point once his handle improves more (it will). Quickley is more of a SG/PG as he's not a great playmaker and Podz will be more of a PG/SG. Podz also makes up for Quickley's lack of rebounding and lets him leak out more so he can use his speed on the break.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps want to get a headline young player for siakam as per blake rather than getting a bunch of average assets / picks

masai will re up him if he doesnt get what he wants

seems to align with how he operates

Just as we all speculated. The exact right approach.

Next few weeks will be crazy on here lol

Absolutely the right approach

and now word both agent and masai in building in LA

They gotta work together to get a deal done

[ArthurVandelay]

Just as you’re making the assumption that we can just sign FAs when that’s never been our strong suit and of course it’s crap hence why it was turned down lol…

But deductive reasoning would suggest that we’ll be able to net at least one good young prospect whether it’s the reports of not only the Warriors’ interest in Pascal but Shams openly reporting that EVERYONE (that includes Kuminga, Moody and Podz) but Steph is available or DET’s serious interest when clearly they’ll have to offer one or more of their young prospects since they obviously won’t be parting with picks that we will be able to walk away with some sort of package that includes some sort of intriguing prospect.

It doesn’t make any sense that Pascal would be the hottest target in the league right now, have over 5+ suitors and we wouldn’t be able to find a reasonable offer, that’s just common sense. You’re complaining about an offer that was already rejected lol

Siakam walking for nothing and opening cap space is better than taking a bad offer. There are many options with cap space. A bad deal significantly limits your options because it puts dead weight on your books and bad players or poorly fitting pieces on your roster.

Could you take a bad contract if you get a blue chip prospect, absolutely, but then that really isn’t a bad offer.

So we are back to my original point about Siakam walking for “nothing” which you disagree with:

Better than taking back pieces that don’t fit or salary that makes you have to trade picks on future years to get off it

But it’s senseless to even worry about “taking back pieces that don’t fit”, again we already turned that down so why stress what’s not happening?! lol

Of course I can’t say which exact players but it’s only logical with the information that’s available (a line of suitors and two of which will quite clearly be willing to offer young players) that the scenario you're suggesting is INCREDIBLY unlikely that it’s fairly pointless to stress about.

The rumoured Sacramento deal was an example of a bad deal, nothing more nothing less.

I don’t see what you’re arguing here. Trading Siakam to get “something” i.e. as opposed to walk for “nothing,” is a poor view if the something is crap. Nothing is something: cap space. You can argue it is useless and all the other doom and gloom of raptor history, but it’s still something.

Cap space is useful for more than free agency.

[Dalek]

Detroit is going to be the team that gets this done. Pascal not wanting Sac or ATL is strictly about money and what type of next contract they would offer. Obviously they are not going to pay him $50m a season when they have other max deals to worry about. This is why his camp has been out front about not wanting to re-sign in either place.

It has nothing to do about going to a winning place, but more about securing his next bag for five years if possible.

Detroit stinks but they spent $78.5 on Monty Williams and they have money to spend next year. Dwane Casey spent some time last December in Toronto probably to talk about a deal with Masai. You know Casey will advocate for Siakam.

Deal wise, I think they would target Beef Stew (tough C that can stretch the floor a bit), plus Bogdanovic (previously mentioned as a Raps trade target) and Jaden Ivey (prospect). I ran it through a couple trade checkers and it appears to work, but Stewart is on a PPP, so I am not sure how easy to trade that is.

I didn't get to mention this before, but I wonder if Detroit saw Houston's success and direction and would probably want to emulate it. They have Cade who is the core young piece and Duren could be in that conversation as well. They will also draft a very good player this year.

Now Houston went out and signed FVV and Brooks for huge money. Siakam is better than both those guys so you would think Troy Weaver would pay the $45m for the best free agent in the class adding an extra year. Then he could go after a couple other vet starters that would make the team a much stronger team.

Cade
Trent Jr.?
Tobias Harris?
Siakam
Duren

They could remake their team pretty quickly and have a direction.

[agkagk]

Moody and Kuminga need to get paid the same time as Barnes. Add in Barrett and IQ to the mix, you really can't take Wiggins back in a Pascal trade. It will have to be CP3.

If youre gstate doesnt make sense to trade wiggins in this framework, youre right!

Klay
Curry
Wiggins
Pascal
Dray/looney

Theyre doubling down, all in on their existing core

[agkagk]

Raps want to get a headline young player for siakam as per blake rather than getting a bunch of average assets / picks

masai will re up him if he doesnt get what he wants

seems to align with how he operates

Just as we all speculated. The exact right approach.

Next few weeks will be crazy on here lol

Absolutely the right approach

and now word both agent and masai in building in LA

They gotta work together to get a deal done

Then kuminga better he his man.

Let him play through his mistakes for a couple years and look out!

[AbC?]

Taking on wiggins’ contract is easily worth at minimum a 1st round pick on its own.

Kuminga and Wiggins for Siakam would be a coup for the Warriors. An athletic, low IQ/feel guy and one of the worst contracts in league for a fringe all-NBA level talent.

If it’s Wiggins to match salaries I’m starting at 2 very lightly protected 1sts, Podz and Kuminga. And probably a swap in there too.

[sofargone]

lol this made me laugh

Read on Twitter

[WuTang_CMB]

Just as we all speculated. The exact right approach.

Next few weeks will be crazy on here lol

Absolutely the right approach

and now word both agent and masai in building in LA

They gotta work together to get a deal done

Then kuminga better he his man.

Let him play through his mistakes for a couple years and look out!

headline meaning a good young player with upside. thats not kuminga

[Clay Davis]

You need to come to the table with high rizz to trade for the BIG SEXXER MASTER FLEXXER

[redeye514]

My Siakam-GSW Trade Idea, assuming GSW sees value in Boucher, would be:

Siakam + Boucher

FOR

Wiggins / Kuminga / Moody / Pods + 2 FRPs

We get 3 youth + 2 picks because a) we need an extra carrot for taking on Wiggins contract, and b) we are giving an extra win now asset in Boucher, which other teams would give us something for.

I’d rather pass on Wiggins and let them keep the picks.

Give me CP3 and whomever else to make salary work in addition to those 3 young guys.

Those picks could be the real price here. 2026 and 2028 unprotected when Steph is probably washed, could be really good.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly re: the picks.

Im not keen on Wiggins as an asset, rather a path to match Siakam salary while getting extra carrots (Yes, I will hold out hope that wiggins can turn it around somewhat, but really, Wiggins will be an expiring contract to trade in 2 years for a then coveted player).

Siakam is likely worth 3 'youth / pick' assets... wiggins contract + Boucher (or GTJ for that matter) gets us 2 more assets.

CP3 would be 100% contract filler that we would have to buy out... no extra carrot. so it would only be 3 of the 'Kuminga / Moody / Pods + 2 FRPs' bundle.

At least that was my train of thought in the proposal.

[ArthurVandelay]

Absolutely the right approach

and now word both agent and masai in building in LA

They gotta work together to get a deal done

Then kuminga better he his man.

Let him play through his mistakes for a couple years and look out!

headline meaning a good young player with upside. thats not kuminga

I wouldn’t rule out Kuminga becoming a useful player. Still 21. His athleticism is off the charts in a league full of incredible athletes.

He’s reached the point where if he is going to become anything it won’t be in a warriors uniform.

I wouldn’t take back Wiggins to get Kuminga and I’d be looking for something else besides Paul. So Paul, Kuminga, one of Podz/Moody, and a pick would make me think at the very least.

[PhilBlackson]

Tbh I don’t see any scenario where GSW gives up more than one draft pick.

[tecumseh18]

Strongly disagree.

In no world is walking away with nothing better than something.

If the offers are crap, then it’s best to walk away and use the cap space this summer to facilitate trades or sign a FA or get creative like Indiana did with Turner.

Just as you’re making the assumption that we can just sign FAs when that’s never been our strong suit

I expressed this last year at the trade deadline, but a big part of Masai's (and Ainge's) brand is that they are virtually impossible to deal with. I loved that few days in the summer of 2018 between Vegas pegging the Raptors as the most likely Kawhi destination and the trade announcement, because I knew it meant the Spurs were demanding OG or Pascal - or BOTH according to some sources - and Masai was refusing to give in. DeMar was disposable, but he needed those guys to build the team around when Kawhi inevitably left.

OK, being a hardass at the trade deadline sometimes means your player walks for nothing. But "nothing" is a non existent concept in a soft cap league. Financial flexibility is an asset. Of course it's always helpful to stay under the tax threshold, even more so to create cap space. And when being a hardass works, you end up with RJ, IQ and a virtual first rounder, which can turn a franchise around.

Raps haven't been able to sign a big name FA (not counting Hedo) with cap space. But they have used it to their advantage. Picking up AD and Garbajosa in 2006, uh, turned the franchise around. Everyone remembers the picks that came back with Vasquez, but the fact that no salary came back allowed us to sign Cory Joseph. Maybe DeMarre Carroll didn't end up being the best signing, but before he got hurt he was one of the Hawks most useful players on their 60-win team.

So I'd happy if Pascal walked to be in the FA market to make offers to Malik Monk, Buddy Hield or Nic Claxton (if we can unload Jak's deal). And Masai keeps his reputation. If opposing GMs want one of our players, they better come correct.

[WuTang_CMB]

Then kuminga better he his man.

Let him play through his mistakes for a couple years and look out!

headline meaning a good young player with upside. thats not kuminga

I wouldn’t rule out Kuminga becoming a useful player. Still 21. His athleticism is off the charts in a league full of incredible athletes.

He’s reached the point where if he is going to become anything it won’t be in a warriors uniform.

I wouldn’t take back Wiggins to get Kuminga and I’d be looking for something else besides Paul. So Paul, Kuminga, one of Podz/Moody, and a pick would make me think at the very least.

I will take him just to take him but there's zero way he's the headline piece in a siakam trade. People talk about his numbers has to watch how he plays. Not a smart player and doesn't really bring it. We are over that

[DreamTeam09]

To Toronto
CP3(waived)
Lauri
John Collins

To GSW
Pascal
Otto Porter Jr

To Utah
GTJ
Moody
Kuminga
Temple
2 or 3 (picks)

[goinrogue]

Tbh I don’t see any scenario where GSW gives up more than one draft pick.

Agreed and we would get 2 of podz/moody/kuminga and trace but not 3 or 4 imo.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Golden State and Indiana both have a clear path to a deal, but I think GS is more desperate because they’re locked into Curry and Green for a couple more seasons. I think we’ll try to use GS to get Indiana to up their offer but ultimately we send him to GS based on this kind of frame work:

Toronto: Kuminga, one of Moody or Podz, Wiggins or Paul, and a 1st
GS: Siakam and maybe Porter

It just makes too much sense.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Golden State is going to want to keep one of Podz or Moody to replace Klay, who they may not bring back depending on what he gets in the open market.

[Yeezus_]

I think the salary filler will be CP3 because with Wiggins you have to committ for a few more seasons and the Raptors probably don't want that. He'll probably be redirected to a third team for additional assets.