Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[ATLTimekeeper]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.
jacob 3 year extension max is 88.5, a deal for 3 year 80 mil is palatable to me

The article said they would like to extend him if no trade intervenes. Poeltl is definitely being shopped. Maybe not for Durant, or maybe he's the piece that Phoenix has no interest in and so the Raptors are doing some damage control.

[LoveMyRaps]

The most I'd do:




There's reports of:
- Kessler being shopped
- Utah willing to be a third team in a KD trade
- Suns prioritizing 2027 and 2029 picks


Updated depth chart:

Quickley/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Durant/Agbaji
Barnes/Mogbo
Kessler/Maluach

[djsunyc]

hey guys, quick question, if i use the F10 key, would it be like pressing the F5 key twice?

[tsherkin]

The issue is he looks the part, has a few tools but absolutely sucks at Basketball. 39% career 3 point shooter looks good on paper but it's on 1.2 makes per game. He ramped up the volume a bit more last season and his percentage dropped to 35%, not really a good sign going forward. He's a good athlete but doesn't rebound and he had 18 dunks the entire year, his athleticism doesn't really translate over. His teams also suck badly when he's on the court and are better when he doesn't play. He's a -3.8 in on court per 100 and -7.5 in on/off per 100. 5 years in and there's been no progression in his game. Maybe a change of scenery helps but it's more likely he is what he is at this point.

Yeah, he's... not good at basically anything but 3pt shooting... and even there, he weakens considerably when he gets out of the corner more regularly. He's not a strong ATB shooter.

I'd hope we would want more from our PF that just being an undersized spacer. We've played that game before, and don't really have the juice elsewhere in the lineup to make that work well.

He’d be a bench guy though. Maybe a spot starter if there is an injury. Williams salary is flat at $18m

2027-28 MLE: $17m
2027-2029 MLE: $18.7m

MLE for a bench 3/4 isn’t all that bad. He’s hits 3’s and won’t get attack defensively. PWill is not all that good but he’s not really making starter money.

Right, but we're losing RJ for a guy who might be useful to us as a spacer. I'm not really seeing the value to the team beyond the financial incentive.

[LoveMyRaps]

Why did Chomche randomly upload KD highlights to his Instagram story?

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[TimeForChange]

Why did Chomche randomly upload KD highlights to his Instagram story?

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Chomche would be the absolute last person in the organization to know if KD was coming

I trust the fake mlse janitor more than Chomche

[tdotrep2]

Why did Chomche randomly upload KD highlights to his Instagram story?

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the same reason any of us would watch those highlights. he's probably reading the news same as us

[ciueli]

The most I'd do:




There's reports of:
- Kessler being shopped
- Utah willing to be a third team in a KD trade
- Suns prioritizing 2027 and 2029 picks


Updated depth chart:

Quickley/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Durant/Agbaji
Barnes/Mogbo
Kessler/Maluach

The problem with trades involving the Jazz is they are run by Danny Ainge and he rarely does a deal unless it is wildly in his team's favour. He shops their players because he's "Trader" Danny and that's what he does, but the asking prices are always sky high. Probably wants a Desmond Bane level package for Markkanen, I don't doubt the price on Kessler is high as well. They are both "available" but we won't be getting them without overpaying significantly.

[WuTang_OG]

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[Spates]

The most I'd do:




There's reports of:
- Kessler being shopped
- Utah willing to be a third team in a KD trade
- Suns prioritizing 2027 and 2029 picks


Updated depth chart:

Quickley/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Durant/Agbaji
Barnes/Mogbo
Kessler/Maluach

Even if KD is still incredible during the regular season he'll be 37 by season start. By EPM, his last 3 playoff performances pale in comparison to his younger years. And I doubt his body can maintain playoff intensity judging by 2025 standards.

I think the trade is terrible if building a perennial contender is the ambition. In terms of putting bums in seats, KD will sell tickets

[DreamTeam09]

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Ware went what, 17th and we had pick 19, and Ware is apparently an integral building block going fwd & is not being included in a deal in order to secure a HOF & potentially vault your team into contention. I only say that to say to all the team tank commanders. A 17th pick from a yr ago will not be included in a KD deal, so no you don't have to piss away seasons on end to get impact players in a draft, at almost any range

[Clutch0z24]

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Ware went what, 17th and we had pick 19, and Ware is apparently an integral building block going fwd & is not being included in a deal in order to secure a HOF & potentially vault your team into contention. I only say that to say to all the team tank commanders. A 17th pick from a yr ago will not be included in a KD deal, so no you don't have to piss away seasons on end to get impact players in a draft, at almost any range

There is a diff from Ware vs top prospects though....Ofc some can slip through the cracks in a draft....But true team ceiling changers are historically found in the top parts of the draft....Players like Ware can have value around the NBA but they are not true team ceiling raisers....Like championship level players...KD is 37 in his last contract year ofc teams are not going to go all in for him...

The higher you are from 1-7 have higher odds historically in getting you that player....In the 7-14 range there is a slight chance of finding that player....But past that you would have to just be historically lucky to find a true franchise player....Ofc good players can be picked late but there is levels to All star vs Franchise players.

[bboyskinnylegs]

hey guys, quick question, if i use the F10 key, would it be like pressing the F5 key twice?

I don't know what I really expect to find, but I can't stop either

[Shakril]

In the end, if there is an agreement to an extension, the number will be one toronto can live with. So i would be neither surprised with 25 mil or 30 mil. Most important though is, that he can opt out next year, and get more than what he gets on the open market. And the way the capspace jumps, its not unreasonable to think he gets the most money he cant get. We just saw playoffs, where serviceable Big Man have contributed a lot to the success of their teams and teams without defensive centers got whacked.

Most important though is to keep him, as there is no replacment for him, if we want to win.

Agreed. I want him kept.

Hartenstein got overpaid by OKC because he fit perfectly into their payroll before the rest of the roster got expensive. No other team was going to pay close to what he got from them so you can bet your ass his 3rd year will get declined. Fred was the same way for Houston.

Teams have less cap space now than ever before because no one wants to go over the 2nd apron and are trading their big salaries to other teams (e.g. Ingram to Toronto). There's only a few teams this offseason who could even sign anyone above the MLE.

Players will still get paid, they are just more spread around the teams in the league. Unless a player on purpose takes less to stay on a team to win a title, guys like Poeltl will make 30 mil.

[Shakril]

The most I'd do:




There's reports of:
- Kessler being shopped
- Utah willing to be a third team in a KD trade
- Suns prioritizing 2027 and 2029 picks


Updated depth chart:

Quickley/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Durant/Agbaji
Barnes/Mogbo
Kessler/Maluach

Poeltl is not getting traded for KD or is involved in that kind of trade.

[Scase]

Yeah, he's... not good at basically anything but 3pt shooting... and even there, he weakens considerably when he gets out of the corner more regularly. He's not a strong ATB shooter.

I'd hope we would want more from our PF that just being an undersized spacer. We've played that game before, and don't really have the juice elsewhere in the lineup to make that work well.

He’d be a bench guy though. Maybe a spot starter if there is an injury. Williams salary is flat at $18m

2027-28 MLE: $17m
2027-2029 MLE: $18.7m

MLE for a bench 3/4 isn’t all that bad. He’s hits 3’s and won’t get attack defensively. PWill is not all that good but he’s not really making starter money.

Right, but we're losing RJ for a guy who might be useful to us as a spacer. I'm not really seeing the value to the team beyond the financial incentive.

I think moving RJ for the 12th+ Pwill isn't awful, I dont think RJ has much value around the league. Probably not seen as a negative anymore, but no one is beating down our door either.

Also welcome back from retirement

[Zeno]

I think people are being a little too generous with Jak’s extension. Firstly it implied by Grange that they will work something that will give them team more flexibility for next year. 2nd the maximum increase of 140% means the most he can make in an extension is 27.3 million. 3rd, when doing a contract extension, you are transferring risk from the player to the team so there should be at least a little discount from what he’d make on the open market. I don’t think it is correct to just use Hartenstein because he took the risk of making it all the way to the open market and found a team in a particular situation where overpaying him on a short deal makes sense and he gave them a team option on top, much like a Bruce Brown/Fred type deal. I could mention that Zubac, who I think is superior to Jak took an extension very similar to Yak’s though I think he was limited by his low salary at the time on his extension. Anyway, the way I see this going is him opting in to his option next year at a ‘reduced’ number of 19.5 and then him getting an addition 3 years about 25 million flat. So 3/75 million is my guess.

[ConSarnit]

Yeah, he's... not good at basically anything but 3pt shooting... and even there, he weakens considerably when he gets out of the corner more regularly. He's not a strong ATB shooter.

I'd hope we would want more from our PF that just being an undersized spacer. We've played that game before, and don't really have the juice elsewhere in the lineup to make that work well.

He’d be a bench guy though. Maybe a spot starter if there is an injury. Williams salary is flat at $18m

2027-28 MLE: $17m
2027-2029 MLE: $18.7m

MLE for a bench 3/4 isn’t all that bad. He’s hits 3’s and won’t get attack defensively. PWill is not all that good but he’s not really making starter money.

Right, but we're losing RJ for a guy who might be useful to us as a spacer. I'm not really seeing the value to the team beyond the financial incentive.

I just don’t see a lot of long term value in RJ. Not sure he’s ever really been a positive impact player. Add Ingram to this team and you take the ball out of his hands and he has less value. He doesn’t have the skillset to be a role player due to his lack of spacing or defense. I think he’d be best suited as a bench guy but it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to pay a bench guy $30m. I’d rather see what the FO can do with the 12th pick. PWill is more just salary filler who can fill some roles off the bench. I’m not 100% sold on the idea of the RJ Bulls trade but I think I’d do it based on the above. I don’t think it’s a great deal by any means, more a challenge trade for us.

[bobbyp3588]

I feel it’s unlikely that we have even made an offer for KD. Literally just being used by mouthpieces for views and leverage.
The reason I feel this way is that Masai and Co aren’t dumbass fools. Which is what you’d have to be to want to add KD to this collection especially considering what you’d need to give up.
Essentially you’d be mortgaging the short term future, setting us back for the next 5 years at least all for what? Calendar year 38 (only, he won’t extend or re-sign with us) of KD and 6th seed with a maybe a surprise second round ousting.
Would be soooo stupid, and that’s not how we roll.
Made up BS rumours for sure.