Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread II

[Reignman]

Remove the preferential superstar referee calls and there is not much of a difference.
These "superstar calls" in NBA are a result of the "Hollywood touch" in maximizing the NBA entertainment value..

So the difference between Bargs and Michael Jordan is "superstar calls"?

LOL, I don't that anyone believes that; however, you remove the superstar calls and what it will do is eliminate the current 1-man or 2-man show that's going on in the NBA.

Think of the 2006 Finals with Wade winning the championship on foul calls. Why not let your stars take a bit of a beating like all of the other players? In the NFL star QBs take a beating, in Hockey your stars take a beating so why not basketball?

Time to start promoting the team instead of individual players. I understand why Stern did it in the 80's with Magic/Bird/Dr J/Jordan but times have changed. The game is actually being ruined now because it has passed the threshold.

[Ponchos]

Remove the preferential superstar referee calls and there is not much of a difference.
These "superstar calls" in NBA are a result of the "Hollywood touch" in maximizing the NBA entertainment value..

So the difference between Bargs and Michael Jordan is "superstar calls"?

No idea where you're attempting to go with this one.

I can tell you without a doubt that Michael Jordan had to work much harder to earn his points than Lebron James does.

Now to be fair, MJ was also the beneficiary of "superstar calls", but with the no hand check rules, the superstar calls have become much more frequent & obvious.

I generally call them benefit of the doubt calls, but in general they're just calls. When a suspect call happens between two non superstar players (which happens all the damn time) people shrug and move on (or whine about the refs if you're like Tommy Heinson). When a suspect call happens involving a superstar then it's OMG SUPERSTAR CALLS. Bad calls are going to happen more with superstars due to ball dominance.

But that's not really where I was going with what I wrote. Whoknows seemed to imply that the difference between an average player and a great one was superstar calls. Which is ridiculous.

[Reignman]

Thursday 1:23 p.m.

Well, that didn't take long. Reports are already starting to trickle in about things not going well at the meeting which started at noon EST. Alan Hahn of Newsday reports that inside of an hour in, he's not hearing positive feedback. Apparently the small-market owners have shown back up to bully and prod again, including reportedly Peter Holt, owner of the Spurs. SI.com reports that things sound "stalled." It's like we all keep waiting for the owners to blink in this game of chicken they're playing with themselves, and they just push the pedal harder.
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssport ... 4/33216824


Hardline owners screwing up things once again.
Peter Holt? Really? This guy has had a pretty successful team over the last decade despite being in a small market, what exactly is he bitching about?

He's bitching because even though he's considered the model for how a small market should run the guy has barely broken even over the last couple of years.

That should be a lesson to all you folks that keep saying owners should spend more wisely. Peter Holt's team has been near perfect, mostly staying under the cap while doing an excellent job drafting in the late rounds yet this guy is barely breaking even.

If the Spurs can't do it then nobody can.

I'm glad to hear things going nuclear, the changes aren't substantial enough. We need a hard cap.

[Ponchos]

Remove the preferential superstar referee calls and there is not much of a difference.
These "superstar calls" in NBA are a result of the "Hollywood touch" in maximizing the NBA entertainment value..

So the difference between Bargs and Michael Jordan is "superstar calls"?

LOL, I don't that anyone believes that; however, you remove the superstar calls and what it will do is eliminate the current 1-man or 2-man show that's going on in the NBA.

Think of the 2006 Finals with Wade winning the championship on foul calls. Why not let your stars take a bit of a beating like all of the other players? In the NFL star QBs take a beating, in Hockey your stars take a beating so why not basketball?

Time to start promoting the team instead of individual players. I understand why Stern did it in the 80's with Magic/Bird/Dr J/Jordan but times have changed. The game is actually being ruined now because it has passed the threshold.

Wade's play in those finals was truly spectacular. There was about two really really bad "phantom" calls that went for Wade but the rest of the time he drew contact and went to the line. Bad calls happen.

You might think it's time for the NBA to start beating up on it's stars and promoting the team over the individual, but I think Stern's market research disagrees with you (and I do too).

[Reignman]

LOL, I don't that anyone believes that; however, you remove the superstar calls and what it will do is eliminate the current 1-man or 2-man show that's going on in the NBA.

Think of the 2006 Finals with Wade winning the championship on foul calls. Why not let your stars take a bit of a beating like all of the other players? In the NFL star QBs take a beating, in Hockey your stars take a beating so why not basketball?

Time to start promoting the team instead of individual players. I understand why Stern did it in the 80's with Magic/Bird/Dr J/Jordan but times have changed. The game is actually being ruined now because it has passed the threshold.

Wade's play in those finals was truly spectacular. There was about two really really bad "phantom" calls that went for Wade but the rest of the time he drew contact and went to the line. Bad calls happen.

You might think it's time for the NBA to start beating up on it's stars and promoting the team over the individual, but I think Stern's market research disagrees with you (and I do too).

76% of Americans don't miss the NBA, Stern's market research needs to be revisited.

[MEDIC]

I generally call them benefit of the doubt calls, but in general they're just calls. When a suspect call happens between two non superstar players (which happens all the damn time) people shrug and move on (or whine about the refs if you're like Tommy Heinson). When a suspect call happens involving a superstar then it's OMG SUPERSTAR CALLS. Bad calls are going to happen more with superstars due to ball dominance.

I don't think that's true at all.

I've witnessed many, many games in the past few years where I thought the Raptors players were playing solid man defense against a good team, but still getting ticky tac fouls called against them. Those same calls were not being made at the other end of the floor.

You look at how many times Derozan got absolutely hammered in the paint. No way in hell the whistle doesn't get blown if it was Lebron, Kobe or D-Wade making that same play.

[Ponchos]

I generally call them benefit of the doubt calls, but in general they're just calls. When a suspect call happens between two non superstar players (which happens all the damn time) people shrug and move on (or whine about the refs if you're like Tommy Heinson). When a suspect call happens involving a superstar then it's OMG SUPERSTAR CALLS. Bad calls are going to happen more with superstars due to ball dominance.

I don't think that's true at all.

I've witnessed many, many games in the past few years games where I thought the Raptors players were playing solid man defense against a good team, but still getting ticky tac fouls called against them. Those same calls were not being made at the other end of the floor.

I think you just earned some Tommy points.

[whoknows]

Remove the preferential superstar referee calls and there is not much of a difference.
These "superstar calls" in NBA are a result of the "Hollywood touch" in maximizing the NBA entertainment value..

So the difference between Bargs and Michael Jordan is "superstar calls"?

We were comparing NFL vs NBA...

Based on your response, it is obvious that you're too young to have watched Jordan in his glory. None of the present superstars had to put-up with the defence that Jordan faced. This is why Jordan is not comparable to today's crop.
And MJ considered the other superstars as his nemesis, wanted to crash not join them.

And why Bargs comparison? Unless you cannot get him from your head - after seeing him on the Italian magazine cover...

[Ponchos]

76% of Americans don't miss the NBA, Stern's market research needs to be revisited.

So you're saying that 73 Million Americans are missing the NBA right now? That's an incredible amount.

[Ponchos]

Remove the preferential superstar referee calls and there is not much of a difference.
These "superstar calls" in NBA are a result of the "Hollywood touch" in maximizing the NBA entertainment value..

So the difference between Bargs and Michael Jordan is "superstar calls"?

Based on your response, it is obvious that you're too young to have watched Jordan in his glory. None of the present superstars had to put-up with the defence that Jordan faced. This is why Jordan is not comparable to today's crop.
And MJ considered the other superstars as his nemesis, wanted to crash not join them.

And why Bargs comparison? Unless you cannot get him from your head - after seeing him on the Italian magazine cover...

So Jordan didn't push off on Byron Russell?

[LittleOzzy]

One Metta World Peace (the artist formerly known as Ron Artest) is busy on Twitter this afternoon reflecting on all the things he misses during the lockout. You need to see for yourself. A sampling of some of his work:

– I miss the LA times telling me how sucky I am. That’s the best. End the lock out. I miss jeff van gundy. The Malcolm x of announcers

– I miss the unhealthy plane food. I miss staples low music in the arena . Lebron misses Cleveland. I miss locking down people.

– I miss zen phil not giving Luke and Adam morrison playing time! I miss the bald headed Espn announcers. I miss the going bald TNT announcers

– I miss the dance teams cheering because they have too not necessarily because they want to. I miss Kobe taking shot after shot. Lmafo

– I miss Philly , Detroit and Boston fans. They craziest fans in the NBA . I be scared man! I miss going to Philly n Kobe buying Philly steaks

– I miss the refs running down the court like they have hot tomales in their pants.. I miss Charles Barkley commentating

– I miss Clyde fraziers lime green pig skin suites with orange slices throughout the linen and pitbull skit chin-klet-tas

– I miss the supersonics

[whoknows]

76% of Americans don't miss the NBA, Stern's market research needs to be revisited.

So you're saying that 73 Million Americans are missing the NBA right now? That's an incredible amount.

you're math and/or general knowledge is lacking...

[LittleOzzy]

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