Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[Mehar]

Guys do you not realize we are missing our prized offseason acquisition, Colangelo's Glue Guy Landry Fields. Give Colangelo a break. We are also missing our Sharpshooter Alan Anderson (the guy singlehandedly who caused us last year to slip from 4th to 8th in the draft). Big men take time to develop as well. Andrea needs a few more years to develop. Guys be patient. Believe in Colangelo's vision. When Landry Fields comes back, our Glue Guy will lead us to the playoffs.

We're in need of some more high character glue guys and losing our pick will help BC focus his sights on this years FA glue crop.

BC will set his sights on upgrading the three spot with a washed up guy and throw big money at him. I am waiting for BC's next glue guy. Kapono, Hedo, Kleiza, and Fields all were supposed to BC's glue guys at the 3 spot (LOL). What a goof of a GM.

[Harry Palmer]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

[West Rouge]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

Its amazing what a high collared man can do.

[Dr Positivity]

My optimistic conspiracy theory is that BC would've cracked before this and done a panic trade if he could. 4-16 with no chance in the Clips game, is just too late. When the team was like 3-9 getting back on track was still somewhat in reach. I think it's possible that no panic trade or firing is coming because MLSE has put the clamps on him and was just waiting out the 10/12 on the road stretch for any sign of life before canning him

[visionquest]

They wont embarrass BC by firing him mid-season.

Instead they'll embarrass the franchise (again).

[Mister Ze]

If this team continues to get blown out there's only a matter of time before something major happens. The question is when the **** it'll happen.

[Raps in 4]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

He could have traded last year's 8th pick for him if he wasn't a moron.

[Waylon Mercy]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

People were on board with chasing a soon to be 39 year old PG that doesn't play defense to
translate a few puckheads into basketball fans because of his passport.

On the bright side Lowry is 26 will most likely be better then anything between 4-14 in this draft
2-14 next year is a different story especially if Lowry leaves the week after if it gets to that point
and he's got a good contract.

[Scase]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

People were on board with chasing a soon to be 39 year old PG that doesn't play defense to
translate a few puckheads into basketball fans because of his passport.

On the bright side Lowry is 26 will most likely be better then anything between 4-14 in this draft
2-14 next year is a different story especially if Lowry leaves the week after if it gets to that point
and he's got a good contract.

Unless we fire BC ASAP and get a new GM in here that can convince Lowry of a solid plan he's already as good as gone.

[hillbilly hare]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

People were on board with chasing a soon to be 39 year old PG that doesn't play defense to
translate a few puckheads into basketball fans because of his passport.

On the bright side Lowry is 26 will most likely be better then anything between 4-14 in this draft
2-14 next year is a different story especially if Lowry leaves the week after if it gets to that point
and he's got a good contract.

We were saying pre-draft how much potential the off-season had, with all the rumors around signing Nash and trading for Rudy Gay. I suggested the idea, and I think a lot of others did too, that it made little sense to get one without the other. Though that was especially true re. Nash, as playing Nash alongside last year's pathetic lineup and adding only Landry Fields wouldn't have exactly shouted Finals.

Lowry actually ended up being a good value trade, but only if a trade or signing for that elusive star SF was already in the works. If not, then it was only a face-saving move by Clownangelo. And it has predictably been a disaster, as adding Lowry to a bottom-feeder team with holes throughout the lineup is nowhere near enough.

The fear now is that Clownangelo will make another "face-saving" move to try to win a few games and save his job.

[suntzuballin]

Lol glue guys colangelo gotta stop lying to himself

[Time for Change]

I still can't believe how lightly he got off after the Lowry trade around here. A year and such spent istening to 'as long as he doesn't trade our lottery pick for a veteran' be the last line in the sand for many, watch him do exactly that with a Morey reverse protection twist, and people in here were generally slipping into top grades.

'twas baffling.

There were some of us who criticized it from day 1. When you're a team as bad as the Raptors, trading a 1st round pick for anything other than an established franchise turnaround level star like Harden, or Irving, or in a blockbuster package for Howard or Paul, is just horrible bad management. Not only do you give away a future asset locked in at a below market salary (if you can draft well), you also cripple your ability to do any future, blockbuster, franchise altering, deals if the opportunity arises to acquire a Howard or Paul type player, and you have to include future picks.

Also PG was the Raptors' strongest position last year, so acquiring a nice player, but a marginal upgrade at the cost of our lottery pick, when we have massive glaring holes at SF, SG, and C was an awful decision.

[Scraptor]

I think it's appropriate that as this thread hits 100, it should be pointed out that Andre Drummond is currently on pace for the 9th highest TRB% in the shot clock era among rookies who played at least 15 games and at least 15 min/g. This while being the youngest guy in the top 30. He's also 25th in block %.

So.

[ansoncarter]

^I think enes kantner was rebounding even better at this point of his rookie year. He finished at 18% for comparisons sake

draymond looks good to me too, just saying. Still too early.

[J-Roc]

We're past the "fire Colangelo" movement. We've moved into the "he doesn't deserve another job in the NBA" territory.

[hillbilly hare]

We're past the "fire Colangelo" movement. We've moved into the "he doesn't deserve another job in the NBA" territory.

No. That's a non sequitur. We have to hope he gets hired by one of our future rivals

[hillbilly hare]

^I think enes kantner was rebounding even better at this point of his rookie year. He finished at 18% for comparisons sake

draymond looks good to me too, just saying. Still too early.

The thing about Drummond. One, he got drafted at 18 and just turned 19. Two, he dropped in the draft due to the red flags about his laziness, lethargy, inability to learn and other character issues. Which have proved false, or at least overblown. Some people were saying at the draft, and have confirmed afterwards, that if Drummond hadn't had those red flags he might've been considered the number two prospect in the draft, and probably would've gone higher. He definitely might be the number two prospect, but I don't know if he would've gone higher, as some teams picked for immediate need. Given his age and physical talents, and now shown that he can pick up the pro game, if not quickly then at least no slower than other rookies, I think the comparisons to Andrew Bynum are apt. It is very early, but Bynum started to really produce in year 3.

[andyo]

Drummond's development thus far has been impressive. He's definitely ahead of the curve but his free throw shooting hurts him. He appears to be in the mold of a young Biedrins/Deandre Jordan type player. I always refrain from a Bynum comparison because from what I understand, he had an ideal fit in L.A for his development. I'm not sure he would have become the same player anywhere else.

Regardless, passing on Drummond was a clear oversight on a team starved of talent. B.C has done a terrible job accumulating assets, much less getting a return on them.

[Neutral 123]

^I think enes kantner was rebounding even better at this point of his rookie year. He finished at 18% for comparisons sake

draymond looks good to me too, just saying. Still too early.

The thing about Drummond. One, he got drafted at 18 and just turned 19. Two, he dropped in the draft due to the red flags about his laziness, lethargy, inability to learn and other character issues. Which have proved false, or at least overblown. Some people were saying at the draft, and have confirmed afterwards, that if Drummond hadn't had those red flags he might've been considered the number two prospect in the draft, and probably would've gone higher. He definitely might be the number two prospect, but I don't know if he would've gone higher, as some teams picked for immediate need. Given his age and physical talents, and now shown that he can pick up the pro game, if not quickly then at least no slower than other rookies, I think the comparisons to Andrew Bynum are apt. It is very early, but Bynum started to really produce in year 3.

I wonder what those other issues were to be honest. I see him play and I can see where scouts might have been concerned with his intensity, and of course there's the FT's. But I never saw a kid who doesn't care about the game, just someone who isn't bouncing all over the floor like a K Faried. Personality wise, he seems like a pretty humble and quiet kid, maybe a bit slow (which I hate to say, but he has that look about him).

But again, at the 8 spot, what was REALLY slow, was passing on someone with that much potential. Hell, it wouldn't have been so bad if these morons were at least excited about Ross. They couldn't even hide their disappointed at not getting Barnes.

[DG88]

I think we can all agree that BC isn't going to be around here next year