2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

yt_boi · Post #1461 » by **yt_boi** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 11:02 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Roland Brice wrote:
SkywalkerAC wrote:If Gary Harris slides, do you stop the bleeding?

Nope. Let it bleed.

I wouldn't take Gary Harris in the 30s

He's redundant on our roster. But he is def a first round pick

ballislife · Post #1462 » by **ballislife** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 11:16 pm

Risk101 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/OMagicNews/status/475024848423366656[/tweet]

Orlando is really debating over who to choose from between Exum and Smart. I really haven't seen much of Exum but Smart looks like a sure bet.

If anyone has any videos of Exum I would appreciate it. Cant find anything.

This is why I think Tyler Ennis might slide to #20. Orlando is the only team with a clear need for a PG. There's a lot of SG's/SF's that can help most other teams with upside.

It's going to be interesting to see who's available for us on draft night... I can't wait.

Indeed · Post #1463 » by **Indeed** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 11:32 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:Big mystery is who is going to fall. My guess is James Young.

Although Ujiri says the draft is deep at SG, but I think McDermott (drop slightly), Harris and Hood are going to drop.

Other than that, you have Payton, Payne, Anderson. Even Porzingis, McDaniels, Hairston are in the mix. At #20, we got a lot of quality players that may become a rotational player at the very least.

yt_boi · Post #1464 » by **yt_boi** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:14 am

Indeed wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Big mystery is who is going to fall. My guess is James Young.

Although Ujiri says the draft is deep at SG, but I think McDermott (drop slightly), Harris and Hood are going to drop.

Other than that, you have Payton, Payne, Anderson. Even Porzingis, McDaniels, Hairston are in the mix. At #20, we got a lot of quality players that may become a rotational player at the very least.

I say there are 3 tiers

Tier 1
Wiggins
Embiid
Parker

Tier 2
Exum
Smart
Randle
Vonleh

Tier 3
15 players

If u dont move up to top 7 there is no point to move up. Just do ur job and get the right guy at 20

cb4_jo6 · Post #1465 » by **cb4_jo6** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:22 am

Anyone know how Deonte Burton did at the Raptors workout? I have high hopes for this guy!

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1466 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:27 am

Over on another board some idiot was trying make Simmons beyond stupid Demar trade suggestion for Henderson and number nine sound like a smart discussion. Clearly you hunt for top 5 or you park at 20 and maybe hedge your bets by acquiring another late first.

Sonrisen · Post #1467 » by **Sonrisen** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:31 am

McFurious1 wrote:Smart is going to be a stud. He's the most for sure thing in this draft IMO.

haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

Post #1468 » by **CPT** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:38 am

yt_boi wrote:
Indeed wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Big mystery is who is going to fall. My guess is James Young.

Although Ujiri says the draft is deep at SG, but I think McDermott (drop slightly), Harris and Hood are going to drop.

Other than that, you have Payton, Payne, Anderson. Even Porzingis, McDaniels, Hairston are in the mix. At #20, we got a lot of quality players that may become a rotational player at the very least.

I say there are 3 tiers

Tier 1
Wiggins
Embiid
Parker

Tier 2
Exum
Smart
Randle
Vonleh

Tier 3
15 players

If u dont move up to top 7 there is no point to move up. Just do ur job and get the right guy at 20

There's gotta be a 3rd tier with Gordon, Saric, McDermott, and Stauskas. You could put the first two guys in Tier 2, and the second two in Tier 3, but I think they would clearly sit at the top or the bottom, which defeats the purpose of having a tier.

I agree that the tier of players we will be picking from is huge, and makes BPA talk kind of pointless. A guy who fits the team with a bit of upside for more is all you can ask for at 20.

Risk101 · Post #1469 » by **Risk101** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:41 am

Sonrisen wrote:
McFurious1 wrote:Smart is going to be a stud. He's the most for sure thing in this draft IMO.

haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

You are crazy. Smart seems like a safe pick. He didn't perform up to the standards he set before coming back to the NCAA but he was still pretty effecient. His court vision could use some work but he plays better off the ball and can create shots for himself. I see him playing like Reggie Jackson.

Barnes isn't a bust either. He has shown signs he can be an effecient player.

Post #1470 » by **CPT** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:44 am

Sonrisen wrote:
McFurious1 wrote:Smart is going to be a stud. He's the most for sure thing in this draft IMO.

haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

I like him. I kinda see him as a bigger version of Lowry. I don't see how 6'4, 225, with a 6'9 wingspan is not great size though. His standing reach is kind of short I guess.

Sonrisen · Post #1471 » by **Sonrisen** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:54 am

Risk101 wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:
McFurious1 wrote:Smart is going to be a stud. He's the most for sure thing in this draft IMO.

haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

You are crazy. Smart seems like a safe pick. He didn't perform up to the standards he set before coming back to the NCAA but he was still pretty effecient. His court vision could use some work but he plays better off the ball and can create shots for himself. I see him playing like Reggie Jackson.

Barnes isn't a bust either. He has shown signs he can be an effecient player.

Reggie Jackson is better than Smart in virtually every facet of the game.

Sonrisen · Post #1472 » by **Sonrisen** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:57 am

CPT wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:
McFurious1 wrote:Smart is going to be a stud. He's the most for sure thing in this draft IMO.

haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

I like him. I kinda see him as a bigger version of Lowry. I don't see how 6'4, 225, with a 6'9 wingspan is not great size though. His standing reach is kind of short I guess.

He shot 40% from the field and 29% from three this past season and had almost a 1/1 assist to t.o. ratio.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... rcus-smart
I just don't get the Smart love. :dontknow:

DA_SCOUT · Post #1473 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 3:06 am

Sonrisen wrote:
CPT wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

I like him. I kinda see him as a bigger version of Lowry. I don't see how 6'4, 225, with a 6'9 wingspan is not great size though. His standing reach is kind of short I guess.

He shot 40% from the field and 29% from three this past season and had almost a 1/1 assist to t.o. ratio.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... rcus-smart
I just don't get the Smart love.

You have to watch him play. He plays with a chip on his shoulder and with an intensity that he's the best player on the court----kinda like Lillard on Weber St.

It's funny you mention Lowry, I think thats a good comparison. Only difference is that Smart has very good athleticism and Lowry had a better three point shot coming out. I have watched almost every Smart game this year, he tends to jack up some ill advised shots ala westbrook but has great defensive potential a la westbrook lol

As far as calling him the most sure thing? errr no lol I would say Jabari Parker is.

I think Orlando should forget about Exum and go for Smart.

The defensive potential and intensity of a Smart/Oladipo backcourt is intriguing.

Dukenukem23 · Post #1474 » by **Dukenukem23** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 3:28 am

yt_boi wrote:
Indeed wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Big mystery is who is going to fall. My guess is James Young.

Although Ujiri says the draft is deep at SG, but I think McDermott (drop slightly), Harris and Hood are going to drop.

Other than that, you have Payton, Payne, Anderson. Even Porzingis, McDaniels, Hairston are in the mix. At #20, we got a lot of quality players that may become a rotational player at the very least.

I say there are 3 tiers

Tier 1
Wiggins
Embiid
Parker

Tier 2
Exum
Smart
Randle
Vonleh

Tier 3
15 players

If u dont move up to top 7 there is no point to move up. Just do ur job and get the right guy at 20

This is pretty accurate, maybe you could put Aaron Gordon in that tier 2 list as well but if a team like sac trades the pick I wouldn't give up much at all considering the big drop off in talent after 7-8.

You could even make the argument that after the top 6: Embiid, Parker, Wiggins, Exum, Vonleh and Smart that the rest are pretty even prospects. Gordon and Randle aren't worth giving up much value IMO.

Sonrisen · Post #1475 » by **Sonrisen** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 3:40 am

DA_SCOUT wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:
CPT wrote:
I like him. I kinda see him as a bigger version of Lowry. I don't see how 6'4, 225, with a 6'9 wingspan is not great size though. His standing reach is kind of short I guess.

He shot 40% from the field and 29% from three this past season and had almost a 1/1 assist to t.o. ratio.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... rcus-smart
I just don't get the Smart love.

You have to watch him play. He plays with a chip on his shoulder and with an intensity that he's the best player on the court----kinda like Lillard on Weber St.

It's funny you mention Lowry, I think thats a good comparison. Only difference is that Smart has very good athleticism and Lowry had a better three point shot coming out. I have watched almost every Smart game this year, he tends to jack up some ill advised shots ala westbrook but has great defensive potential a la westbrook lol

As far as calling him the most sure thing? errr no lol I would say Jabari Parker is.

I think Orlando should forget about Exum and go for Smart.

The defensive potential and intensity of a Smart/Oladipo backcourt is intriguing.

Your post is a bit confusing since you quoted several different posters in it. Smart is a horrific shooter; 29% from 3, Lillard is a very good 3 point shooter and MS assist/t.o ratio is dreadful.

Indeed · Post #1476 » by **Indeed** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 4:32 am

Dukenukem23 wrote:
yt_boi wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Although Ujiri says the draft is deep at SG, but I think McDermott (drop slightly), Harris and Hood are going to drop.

Other than that, you have Payton, Payne, Anderson. Even Porzingis, McDaniels, Hairston are in the mix. At #20, we got a lot of quality players that may become a rotational player at the very least.

I say there are 3 tiers

Tier 1
Wiggins
Embiid
Parker

Tier 2
Exum
Smart
Randle
Vonleh

Tier 3
15 players

If u dont move up to top 7 there is no point to move up. Just do ur job and get the right guy at 20

This is pretty accurate, maybe you could put Aaron Gordon in that tier 2 list as well but if a team like sac trades the pick I wouldn't give up much at all considering the big drop off in talent after 7-8.

You could even make the argument that after the top 6: Embiid, Parker, Wiggins, Exum, Vonleh and Smart that the rest are pretty even prospects. Gordon and Randle aren't worth giving up much value IMO.

Indeed, adding Gordon to Tier 2. I think there maybe only 10 players in Tier 3, not as much as 15.

Risk101 · Post #1477 » by **Risk101** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:09 am

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littlerock2277 · Post #1478 » by **littlerock2277** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:29 am

If rodney hood is avalible at #20 should we consider taking him?

Seems to have good size and shooting abilty to be successful.

Post #1479 » by **CPT** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:40 am

Sonrisen wrote:
CPT wrote:
Sonrisen wrote:haha, I think the exact opposite; inconsistent jumper, average to below average vision for a pg and not great size. I think he has HUGE bust potential. I was right about Harrison Barnes, calling him Harrison Bust and was ridiculed for that opinion. I wouldn't touch Smart; at all.

I like him. I kinda see him as a bigger version of Lowry. I don't see how 6'4, 225, with a 6'9 wingspan is not great size though. His standing reach is kind of short I guess.

He shot 40% from the field and 29% from three this past season and had almost a 1/1 assist to t.o. ratio.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... rcus-smart
I just don't get the Smart love.

I think you're looking at the wrong season. This season, he was 42%, 30%, with closer to a 2:1 AST:TO ratio (1.85).

Those aren't exciting numbers, by any means, but with his size and athleticism, he should still be an effective NBA player.

Risk101 · Post #1480 » by **Risk101** » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:51 am

littlerock2277 wrote:If rodney hood is avalible at #20 should we consider taking him?

Seems to have good size and shooting abilty to be successful.

You always should consider taking any player depending on whose left in the draft but their are way to many better players I would choose ahead of him. His upside is his shooting (almost 50% behind the arc) but his physical traits are under whelming, with averages of under 3 rebs a game.