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Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2020-21 V1.0 

Post#1461 » by DelAbbot » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:52 am

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Boogie! wrote:Look At Lowry do his thing. Honestly look at the heat play you don’t see Lowry just dribbling the ball around for five hours.

In FVV's defense, I will say that he is in the wrong role and Nurse is the one who needs to adjust this issue.

fvv is doing what he wants, thats the issue. nurse has always given freedom


FVV just has this delusion he is a PG. I guess we can't blame him for thinking that - otherwise he would have to admit to being a midget SG
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Post#1462 » by tdotrep2 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:55 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:In FVV's defense, I will say that he is in the wrong role and Nurse is the one who needs to adjust this issue.

fvv is doing what he wants, thats the issue. nurse has always given freedom


FVV just has this delusion he is a PG. I guess we can't blame him for thinking that - otherwise he would have to admit to being a midget SG

he literally has no idea how to run an offense/read the flow of the game. its a speedbump everytime he decides to do something and you could only hope it comes out positive.

the team and his effectiveness would elevate substantially with him off the ball but it wont happen, and i could bet nurse sees this but doesnt have the stones to do anything about it which is a shame.

i love nurse, my only gripe with him is he puts his head in the sand sometimes and tries to be optimistic about something even know deep down he knows its probably a better idea to do something else. thats literally my only nurse issue
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Post#1463 » by Raps in 4 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:55 am

Heat with Lowry easily beat the Bucks in the playoffs again.
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Post#1464 » by Boogie! » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:56 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:In FVV's defense, I will say that he is in the wrong role and Nurse is the one who needs to adjust this issue.

fvv is doing what he wants, thats the issue. nurse has always given freedom


FVV just has this delusion he is a PG. I guess we can't blame him for thinking that - otherwise he would have to admit to being a midget SG


He had an interview where he said he thinks everyone is the same height. No wonder he drives into traffic with 2 defenders on him getting swatted every time. He honestly thinks he can make th at shot…

Confidence is great, but only if you are also aware of your limitations… fvv is not. But again it’s up to the coach to assign roles and like I said fvv has been overrated from the get go. He had one good finals series and all of a sudden he’s the future… hes a great complimentary player whos skillset is best used as a 6th man… asking him to he one of your best players and focal point of your team is trouble. No one holds him accountable it’s crazy.
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Post#1465 » by HumbleRen » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:58 am

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DelAbbot wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:fvv is doing what he wants, thats the issue. nurse has always given freedom


FVV just has this delusion he is a PG. I guess we can't blame him for thinking that - otherwise he would have to admit to being a midget SG

he literally has no idea how to run an offense/read the flow of the game. its a speedbump everytime he decides to do something and you could only hope it comes out positive.

the team and his effectiveness would elevate substantially with him off the ball but it wont happen, and i could bet nurse sees this but doesnt have the stones to do anything about it which is a shame.

i love nurse, my only gripe with him is he puts his head in the sand sometimes and tries to be optimistic about something even know deep down he knows its probably a better idea to do something else. thats literally my only nurse issue


Really hope we blow it up if we're significantly under .500 by January.
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Post#1466 » by JPriest » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:32 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Boogie! wrote:Look At Lowry do his thing. Honestly look at the heat play you don’t see Lowry just dribbling the ball around for five hours.

In FVV's defense, I will say that he is in the wrong role and Nurse is the one who needs to adjust this issue.


could be an organizational issue starting with the front office. they anointed this guy the leader, boosted his ego, gave him the reigns to the organization, and treat him like a teacher's pet. Nurse reigning him in would probably bruise some egos, cause chemistry issues and would not look good optics-wise for everyone involved. still, it needs to be done cuz his him running the offence is sickening.
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Post#1467 » by Coco Costanza » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:33 am

Bucks fans are really salty over this loss, such an insufferable fanbase.
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Post#1468 » by Los_29 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:52 am

Raps in 4 wrote:Heat with Lowry easily beat the Bucks in the playoffs again.


Bucks are missing Brook, Jrue, Donte and Portis. :lol:

Heat are definitely an improved team with Lowry but let's not forget that the Bucks beat the brakes off of them last year. It wasn't a competitive series and I highly doubt an aging Lowry and Butler are going to be able to compete with a team featuring a top 3 player in the league and a supporting cast of Middleton and Jrue.
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Post#1469 » by Raps in 4 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:02 am

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Raps in 4 wrote:Heat with Lowry easily beat the Bucks in the playoffs again.


Bucks are missing Brook, Jrue, Donte and Portis. :lol:

Heat are definitely an improved team with Lowry but let's not forget that the Bucks beat the brakes off of them last year. It wasn't a competitive series and I highly doubt an aging Lowry and Butler are going to be able to compete with a team featuring a top 3 player in the league and a supporting cast of Middleton and Jrue.


Heat smoked the Bucks the year before. They also have a counter for Jrue now in Lowry.
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Post#1470 » by Syd-TK3 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:33 am

Herro returning back to himself is huge for them.
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Post#1471 » by Chandan » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:44 am

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Boogie! wrote:Look At Lowry do his thing. Honestly look at the heat play you don’t see Lowry just dribbling the ball around for five hours.

In FVV's defense, I will say that he is in the wrong role and Nurse is the one who needs to adjust this issue.


could be an organizational issue starting with the front office. they anointed this guy the leader, boosted his ego, gave him the reigns to the organization, and treat him like a teacher's pet. Nurse reigning him in would probably bruise some egos, cause chemistry issues and would not look good optics-wise for everyone involved. still, it needs to be done cuz his him running the offence is sickening.


exactly what happened with derozan.
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Post#1472 » by pingpongrac » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:48 am

Miami will probably be a top 4 team with a chance to make the ECF, but the Bucks are clearly still a level above them. Remember the Bucks are without multiple starters and key rotation players (Jrue, Lopez, DiVincenzo, Portis). This game means absolutely nothing in the long run. Classic overreaction after one game.

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Post#1473 » by Raps in 4 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:51 am

pingpongrac wrote:Miami will probably be a top 4 team with a chance to make the ECF, but the Bucks are clearly still a level above them. Remember the Bucks are without multiple starters and key rotation players (Jrue, Lopez, DiVincenzo, Portis). This game means absolutely nothing in the long run. Classic overreaction after one game.

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Bucks barely beat KD + one-legged Harden last year, then needed 6 games to beat an injury-plagued Hawks, and finally got to face the mighty Suns in the finals. This isn't some super team. They're easily beatable, and the Heat have already shown they can do it.
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Post#1474 » by hsb » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:54 am

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Los_29 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Heat with Lowry easily beat the Bucks in the playoffs again.


Bucks are missing Brook, Jrue, Donte and Portis. :lol:

Heat are definitely an improved team with Lowry but let's not forget that the Bucks beat the brakes off of them last year. It wasn't a competitive series and I highly doubt an aging Lowry and Butler are going to be able to compete with a team featuring a top 3 player in the league and a supporting cast of Middleton and Jrue.


Heat smoked the Bucks the year before. They also have a counter for Jrue now in Lowry.


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Post#1475 » by SurgeIblocka » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:33 am

I cant believe so many posters here didn’t want Tyler Herro for Lowry. Fkng hate Riley first it was scraps for Bosh and now we trade our engine and GROAT to them and we couldn’t even get Herro for Lowry. Dragic is washed and gone at the end of the year, and Precious is just a hustle player who probably wont ever be any better than Amir Johnson. Lowry may not be scoring crazy, but hes the glue that is going to help Miami in the playoffs and his hunger to win is the same as Butlers.
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Post#1476 » by pingpongrac » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:34 am

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pingpongrac wrote:Miami will probably be a top 4 team with a chance to make the ECF, but the Bucks are clearly still a level above them. Remember the Bucks are without multiple starters and key rotation players (Jrue, Lopez, DiVincenzo, Portis). This game means absolutely nothing in the long run. Classic overreaction after one game.

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Bucks barely beat KD + one-legged Harden last year, then needed 6 games to beat an injury-plagued Hawks, and finally got to face the mighty Suns in the finals. This isn't some super team. They're easily beatable, and the Heat have already shown they can do it.
I wouldn't consider outscoring the Hawks by 7 PPG over the series to be a struggle. They needed 6 games, but they lost G1 by 3 points and had one blowout loss when Giannis left early with an injury. Also, last year's Phoenix team was better and beat better competition (Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers) than the bubble ball Heat.

When did Miami show Milwaukee is easily beatable? Tonight when the Bucks were without almost half of their rotation or in the bubble when Milwaukee was already clearly struggling and had a very different roster?

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Post#1477 » by Raps in 4 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:49 am

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pingpongrac wrote:Miami will probably be a top 4 team with a chance to make the ECF, but the Bucks are clearly still a level above them. Remember the Bucks are without multiple starters and key rotation players (Jrue, Lopez, DiVincenzo, Portis). This game means absolutely nothing in the long run. Classic overreaction after one game.

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Bucks barely beat KD + one-legged Harden last year, then needed 6 games to beat an injury-plagued Hawks, and finally got to face the mighty Suns in the finals. This isn't some super team. They're easily beatable, and the Heat have already shown they can do it.
I wouldn't consider outscoring the Hawks by 7 PPG over the series to be a struggle. They needed 6 games, but they lost G1 by 3 points and had one blowout loss when Giannis left early with an injury. Also, last year's Phoenix team was better and beat better competition (Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers) than the bubble ball Heat.

When did Miami show Milwaukee is easily beatable? Tonight when the Bucks were without almost half of their rotation or in the bubble when Milwaukee was already clearly struggling and had a very different roster?

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The Suns beat the Lakers without AD, the Nuggets without Murray, and the Clippers without Kawhi. It was a cakewalk to the finals.
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Post#1478 » by pingpongrac » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:50 am

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Bucks barely beat KD + one-legged Harden last year, then needed 6 games to beat an injury-plagued Hawks, and finally got to face the mighty Suns in the finals. This isn't some super team. They're easily beatable, and the Heat have already shown they can do it.
I wouldn't consider outscoring the Hawks by 7 PPG over the series to be a struggle. They needed 6 games, but they lost G1 by 3 points and had one blowout loss when Giannis left early with an injury. Also, last year's Phoenix team was better and beat better competition (Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers) than the bubble ball Heat.

When did Miami show Milwaukee is easily beatable? Tonight when the Bucks were without almost half of their rotation or in the bubble when Milwaukee was already clearly struggling and had a very different roster?

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The Suns beat the Lakers without AD, the Nuggets without Murray, and the Clippers without Kawhi. It was a cakewalk to the finals.
AD played the first 4 games of the series and Murray missed the last 1/3 of the year (in which the Nuggets went 16-6 without him before finishing off the Blazers in 6 on the first round). Even the Clippers were still a good team that closed out the last few games against the Jazz without Kawhi.

The 2019/20 Heat were much more fortunate in not having to play any proper road games despite being the lower-seeded team in all 4 rounds. Not to mention the Pacers were without Sabonis and, as already mentioned, the Bucks were a shell of themselves by the time the bubble rolled around.

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Post#1479 » by 720 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:24 am

pingpongrac wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:Miami will probably be a top 4 team with a chance to make the ECF, but the Bucks are clearly still a level above them. Remember the Bucks are without multiple starters and key rotation players (Jrue, Lopez, DiVincenzo, Portis). This game means absolutely nothing in the long run. Classic overreaction after one game.

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Bucks barely beat KD + one-legged Harden last year, then needed 6 games to beat an injury-plagued Hawks, and finally got to face the mighty Suns in the finals. This isn't some super team. They're easily beatable, and the Heat have already shown they can do it.
I wouldn't consider outscoring the Hawks by 7 PPG over the series to be a struggle. They needed 6 games, but they lost G1 by 3 points and had one blowout loss when Giannis left early with an injury. Also, last year's Phoenix team was better and beat better competition (Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers) than the bubble ball Heat.

When did Miami show Milwaukee is easily beatable? Tonight when the Bucks were without almost half of their rotation or in the bubble when Milwaukee was already clearly struggling and had a very different roster?

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Funny you bring up no Giannis but don’t bring up how Atlanta didn’t have Trae for game 5 and a hobbled Trae Young in game 6. The Hawks are worse without Young more than the Bucks without Giannis because the bucks still had all star Middleton.

The Bucks struggled vs a 5th seed team, a team that probably beats them if Young didn’t get hurt in game 4. Bucks got very lucky with all the injuries. FIVE superstars were injured this past playoffs, in addition multiple allstars as well.
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Post#1480 » by pingpongrac » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:40 am

720 wrote:
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Raps in 4 wrote:
Bucks barely beat KD + one-legged Harden last year, then needed 6 games to beat an injury-plagued Hawks, and finally got to face the mighty Suns in the finals. This isn't some super team. They're easily beatable, and the Heat have already shown they can do it.
I wouldn't consider outscoring the Hawks by 7 PPG over the series to be a struggle. They needed 6 games, but they lost G1 by 3 points and had one blowout loss when Giannis left early with an injury. Also, last year's Phoenix team was better and beat better competition (Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers) than the bubble ball Heat.

When did Miami show Milwaukee is easily beatable? Tonight when the Bucks were without almost half of their rotation or in the bubble when Milwaukee was already clearly struggling and had a very different roster?

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Funny you bring up no Giannis but don’t bring up how Atlanta didn’t have Trae for game 5 and a hobbled Trae Young in game 6. The Hawks are worse without Young more than the Bucks without Giannis because the bucks still had all star Middleton.

The Bucks struggled vs a 5th seed team, a team that probably beats them if Young didn’t get hurt in game 4. Bucks got very lucky with all the injuries. FIVE superstars were injured this past playoffs, in addition multiple allstars as well.
The blowout loss that Giannis was injured midway through was a game that Trae also missed. It is relevant, but one blowout game where the Bucks' offence was garbage without Giannis doesn't change the fact that the Bucks handled the Hawks perfectly fine. However way you try to slice it, Milwaukee won in 6 games and had a +7.2 NetRTG despite missing Giannis for 2.5 games.

Milwaukee was fortunate that the Nets were without Kyrie for the last 3 games and Harden for 3 games in the middle, but they deserve full credit for their Championship. I don't know why so many people in this thread think a playoff series in a bubble after a 5-month hiatus a year ago when Milwaukee had a very different roster or a regular season game with half of their rotation out is more valid than what happened 4-5 months ago in more normal conditions.

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