Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Los_29]

There is a possibility that Scottie is our best player next year. Never thought I’d say that. He’s a complete stud.

He already is our best player.

Said no one ever.

Possibly next year though and if he continues this incredible trajectory he's on maybe even at the end of this year. But as of right now it's not particularly close. FVV has clearly been our best player.

[Bruin]

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[mdenny]

Scottie's position is basketball court

Lol.

Flynn not getting PT against warriors could be a bug sign. Is it possible we use scottie to play backup PG going forward. Something like first guy pulled off the court....rests for 5 minutes...then back on when fred rests?

Honestly....we have to do something about backup PG.

[Indeed]

If you wanted shooters around Scottie then why would we replace Pascal with a worse shooter?

Guys, this has been discussed already. Turner has very little value around the league. If he’s dealt he’s getting dealt for bench players and heavily protected picks. He’s not getting dealt for all-star caliber players.

And what exactly Barnes is a 4?
Barnes seems to be playing 3, and he is also listed as a 3 the last game with OG being the 4.

The biggest question is, why do we play Barnes at 4 with less advantage than playing him at 3 with more mis-match to put him into success. Is there a reason why he is not a 3?

Dumb this down for me, I'm honestly having a hard time understanding what you're exactly saying lol

Why you think he is a PF when he is playing SF

[alienchild]

This obsession with what position he plays is absurd. It's positionless basketball and he's the forerunner for where the game is going to. You want 5 players on the court that combine the skill set you need among them to win games. What position you think they play is irrelevant.

[everdiso]

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Tinsley 23
Robinson 24
O'Neal 20
Barnes 20

[rrdjutriurt]

Put great athletic gifts together with an off the charts floor awareness and BB IQ. You have a quite possibly a once in a generation type star in the making.

[hype_2004]

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Shaq, Jordan and DRob what a rare company to have, the outlier is Tinsley but that guy was a dog much like Lowry who was outshined on that deep Pacers team. Again what does those guys have in common? They were dominant.

[Ell Curry]

Jokic-esque at times with the water polo touch pass and some of the skip passes.

This is exactly what it made me start thinking...it was reminding me of Jokic.

Scottie's ceiling is seriously ridiculous.

He's shown flashes in his game of literally some of the best players to have ever played the game ie/ Magic, Jokic, Kawhi, Pippen even a bit of Giannis. It reminds me of when people seen Embiid showing flashes of Hakeem, eventually it became the norm and now he's just a truly dominant C (can't stay healthy is what ruins it). But the fact he's showing these "flashes", like Joel, it's only a matter of time before the game slows down, his bball knowledge/skill increases (which is seemingly exponentially), we develop tfo him and these "flashes" become his norm.

I'm almost mindblown when it feels like week by week, game by game Scottie has added something to his game. His highlight reel for this season is already crazy. There are very few things I haven't seen him do on the court aside from maybe launch logo 3s lol he ALREADY has an unbelievably diversified scoring ability, true 3 level scorer and it's not even halfway through YEAR ONE. His development is gonna be ridiculous. A month ago I was just hoping one day he can become a top 10 player but his rate of growth (nvm how we're not talking about how physically strong he's going to become), now I'm almost certain, it's not IF but WHEN.

Yeah. He's a burly dude without elite speed with long arms, good touch and great passing ability. A PF forward version of Jokic who's maybe slightly less of a genius and a bit worse shooter but a huge plus on D seems like his ceiling. Denver traded Nurkic and built around Jokic. Be interesting to see if we do the same, though obviously it's tougher to find a 5 who fits with this type of player (Does it have to be a stretch 5? than a 4 who fits with a Jokic (Aaron Gordon ultimately but someone like Robert Covington would have been fine too).

I didn't like a Siakam for Myles Turner trade (3 way or direct) before the season, and I think Masai is still looking to maximize length and speed on both ends, but it's easy to see how a halfcourt offense of Scottie surrounded by 4 3pt shooters in Turner, OG, Trent and Van Vleet could be a consistently strong playoff team with everyone under 28 by next year, and a more traditional, less aggressive defensive system.

[HumbleRen]

And what exactly Barnes is a 4?
Barnes seems to be playing 3, and he is also listed as a 3 the last game with OG being the 4.

The biggest question is, why do we play Barnes at 4 with less advantage than playing him at 3 with more mis-match to put him into success. Is there a reason why he is not a 3?

Dumb this down for me, I'm honestly having a hard time understanding what you're exactly saying lol

Why you think he is a PF when he is playing SF

Playing the 4 fits his skillsets better imo. He'll always be a mismatch for the opposing 4 while also being surrounded by 4 guys who can all sit at the 3 only enhances his swiss army knife like skills.

[Barnes Burner]

Imagine we were able to sign a few competent catch and shoot guys to space the floor for this kid and really let him go to work.

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Dumb this down for me, I'm honestly having a hard time understanding what you're exactly saying lol

Why you think he is a PF when he is playing SF

Playing the 4 fits his skillsets better imo. He'll always be a mismatch for the opposing 4 while also being surrounded by 4 guys who can all sit at the 3 only enhances his swiss army knife like skills.

I don't see his skillset in Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, etc. He can play the 4, but you want your best player to play the 3 in clutch time, particularly, it is much harder to get the ball if it is not on the perimeter.

You definitely want Barnes to play the 3 over the 4. His advantage in shooting over, passing and rebounding would come easier as well.

[HumbleRen]

Why you think he is a PF when he is playing SF

Playing the 4 fits his skillsets better imo. He'll always be a mismatch for the opposing 4 while also being surrounded by 4 guys who can all sit at the 3 only enhances his swiss army knife like skills.

I don't see his skillset in Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, etc. He can play the 4, but you want your best player to play the 3 in clutch time, particularly, it is much harder to get the ball if it is not on the perimeter.

You definitely want Barnes to play the 3 over the 4. His advantage in shooting over, passing and rebounding would come easier as well.

I see what you're saying, I'm more saying in terms of the spots they occupy, I'm not necessarily fixated on the positions they play.

[Indeed]

Playing the 4 fits his skillsets better imo. He'll always be a mismatch for the opposing 4 while also being surrounded by 4 guys who can all sit at the 3 only enhances his swiss army knife like skills.

I don't see his skillset in Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, etc. He can play the 4, but you want your best player to play the 3 in clutch time, particularly, it is much harder to get the ball if it is not on the perimeter.

You definitely want Barnes to play the 3 over the 4. His advantage in shooting over, passing and rebounding would come easier as well.

I see what you're saying, I'm more saying in terms of the spots they occupy, I'm not necessarily fixated on the positions they play.

You can have OG plays PF if you really think OG-Barnes-Siakam lineup isn't working. But just like the Sacramento game, where we get a lot of transition offense, we may ignore the half court offense that we heavily relied on Siakam.

As for the lack of ball movement, it is more a lack of talent that demands double team or chasing off the screen (through off-ball shooting, PnR, etc.). I think we are hoping Barnes to fill that role (through PnR), which is a PG/SG/SF role.

[aminiaturebuddha]

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Tinsley 23
Robinson 24
O'Neal 20
Barnes 20

Shaq, Jordan and DRob what a rare company to have, the outlier is Tinsley but that guy was a dog much like Lowry who was outshined on that deep Pacers team. Again what does those guys have in common? They were dominant.

Amazing company. But, of course, that only leaves me wondering about the outlier. How the hell did Jamaal Tinsley get 5 blocks in a game?

[mdenny]

I don't see his skillset in Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, etc. He can play the 4, but you want your best player to play the 3 in clutch time, particularly, it is much harder to get the ball if it is not on the perimeter.

You definitely want Barnes to play the 3 over the 4. His advantage in shooting over, passing and rebounding would come easier as well.

I see what you're saying, I'm more saying in terms of the spots they occupy, I'm not necessarily fixated on the positions they play.

You can have OG plays PF if you really think OG-Barnes-Siakam lineup isn't working. But just like the Sacramento game, where we get a lot of transition offense, we may ignore the half court offense that we heavily relied on Siakam.

As for the lack of ball movement, it is more a lack of talent that demands double team or chasing off the screen (through off-ball shooting, PnR, etc.). I think we are hoping Barnes to fill that role (through PnR), which is a PG/SG/SF role.

Nurse has mentioned several times that we were getting hurt by teams playing off scottie specifically.

[Yeezus_]

Imagine we were able to sign a few competent catch and shoot guys to space the floor for this kid and really let him go to work.

So Fred, Trent and OG?

[Indeed]

Imagine we were able to sign a few competent catch and shoot guys to space the floor for this kid and really let him go to work.

So Fred, Trent and OG?

Siakam is also shooting close to 40% from corner 3.

[everdiso]

Imagine we were able to sign a few competent catch and shoot guys to space the floor for this kid and really let him go to work.

So Fred, Trent and OG?

Catch and Shoot 3s

Fred 49.6% (4.0fga)
Trent 42.3% (3.9fga)
OG 40.5% (4.9fga)
Yuta 37.8% (3.7fga)
Siakam 30.4% (3.3fga)

Siakam actually worse at catch and shoot 3s then pull up 3s for some reason, but he's the only one not hitting.

Hell even precious is at 32% on these.

[LoveMyRaps]

I still think Barnes should be our primary ball handler aka PG, with FVV sliding over to the 2 spot.

A backcourt of Barnes-FVV would be lethal.