Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[JRoy]

Until you show me what package is available, that's the asking price.



Cool, go get Herro.

Don’t want him either.

Cool. Keep Lillard.

Not doing that either.

We seem to be impaled upon the horns of a dilemma.

[OakleyDokely]

If OG was actually offered, he'd be the most valuable player reported to be offered at this point.

[JRoy]

If OG was actually offered, he'd be the most valuable player reported to be offered at this point.

Nope, not as an expiring contract chasing a big contract.

Keep him, please.

[OakleyDokely]

If OG was actually offered, he'd be the most valuable player reported to be offered at this point.

Nope, not as an expiring contract chasing a big contract.

Keep him, please.

Doesn't change my original point.

[NinjaBro]

Nobody is competing against a Herro package.It has already been refused and is no longer in contention.

Until you show me what package is available, that's the asking price.

You don’t have anything else POR wants.

Cool, go get Herro.

Don’t want him either.

You're going to get herro and his 30M contact and you're going to like it. Deal with it!

[JRoy]

If OG was actually offered, he'd be the most valuable player reported to be offered at this point.

Nope, not as an expiring contract chasing a big contract.

Keep him, please.

Doesn't change my original point.

Player/age/contract status are all part of the package. You don’t get to ignore OGs impending UFA status because it is inconvenient to your argument any more than I get to ignore Lillards age and contract because those are inconvenient to my argument.

[OakleyDokely]

Nope, not as an expiring contract chasing a big contract.

Keep him, please.

Doesn't change my original point.

Player/age/contract status are all part of the package. You don’t get to ignore OGs impending UFA status because it is inconvenient to your argument any more than I get to ignore Lillards age and contract because those are inconvenient to my argument.

30 mill OG >>>> 30 mill Herro

OG would be the best asset offered to this point.

[JRoy]

Doesn't change my original point.

Player/age/contract status are all part of the package. You don’t get to ignore OGs impending UFA status because it is inconvenient to your argument any more than I get to ignore Lillards age and contract because those are inconvenient to my argument.

30 mill OG >>>> 30 mill Herro

OG would be the best asset offered to this point.

Apparently the idea of $65 million/year on a pair of non all star forwards sounds like a good idea to you.

It isn’t. It’s a highway to mediocrity.

[OakleyDokely]

Player/age/contract status are all part of the package. You don’t get to ignore OGs impending UFA status because it is inconvenient to your argument any more than I get to ignore Lillards age and contract because those are inconvenient to my argument.

30 mill OG >>>> 30 mill Herro

OG would be the best asset offered to this point.

Apparently the idea of $65 million/year on a pair of non all star forwards sounds like a good idea to you.

It isn’t. It’s a highway to mediocrity.

Better than spending 65 mill on Herro/Grant.

[JRoy]

30 mill OG >>>> 30 mill Herro

OG would be the best asset offered to this point.

Apparently the idea of $65 million/year on a pair of non all star forwards sounds like a good idea to you.

It isn’t. It’s a highway to mediocrity.

Better than spending 65 mill on Herro/Grant.

Better not to do either.

[OakleyDokely]

Apparently the idea of $65 million/year on a pair of non all star forwards sounds like a good idea to you.

It isn’t. It’s a highway to mediocrity.

Better than spending 65 mill on Herro/Grant.

Better not to do either.

I didn't say you should do it, only that OG would be the best reported asset so far.

[wegotthabeet]

Player/age/contract status are all part of the package. You don’t get to ignore OGs impending UFA status because it is inconvenient to your argument any more than I get to ignore Lillards age and contract because those are inconvenient to my argument.

30 mill OG >>>> 30 mill Herro

OG would be the best asset offered to this point.

Apparently the idea of $65 million/year on a pair of non all star forwards sounds like a good idea to you.

It isn’t. It’s a highway to mediocrity.

i don't agree with that at all. especially if Scoot & Shaedon are future stars still on rookie deals for the next 3/4 years.

Grant can be moved, Simons can be moved etc... and who knows how much better OG would become in that scenario. you just saw Mikal Bridges numbers explode post trade, same with Markkanen. circumstances can change a players outlook completely.

[OakleyDokely]

30 mill OG >>>> 30 mill Herro

OG would be the best asset offered to this point.

Apparently the idea of $65 million/year on a pair of non all star forwards sounds like a good idea to you.

It isn’t. It’s a highway to mediocrity.

i don't agree with that at all. especially if Scoot & Shaedon are future stars still on rookie deals for the next 3/4 years.

Grant can be moved, Simons can be moved etc... and who knows how much better OG would become in that scenario. you just saw Mikal Bridges numbers explode post trade, same with Markkanen. circumstances can change a players outlook completely.

A backcourt of Scoot/Sharpe with OG/Grant as your forward duo with Nurkic at C actually makes a lot of sense. You need to surround Scoot/Sharpe with good wing defenders, especially guys who can also stretch the floor.

[MoneyBall]

Nobody is competing against a Herro package.It has already been refused and is no longer in contention.

Until you show me what package is available, that's the asking price.

I think the point is, if POR is seriously considering trading Lillard to the highest bidder among all teams, you're automatically going to get much better offers than Herro.

OG may be better than Herro, but I doubt other teams couldn't make better offers than that.

[docholliday99]

Better than spending 65 mill on Herro/Grant.

Better not to do either.

I didn't say you should do it, only that OG would be the best reported asset so far.

OG has elite defense, Herro has the high-level offense and though I agree OG is the better player overall, Herro is the better asset as he has term. I think the Blazers would have to take into account that OG is expiring, won't sign an extension and will hit UFA. Yes they have his rights but what if he doesn't like it in Portland? Lots of teams will have space next offseason that could potentially sign OG away for nothing. To name a few, the Magic would go hard for him and OG would be amazing and complete a starting 5 with Fultz, Wagner, Banchero, WCJ (my worry team for the Raptors if OG stayed); the Spurs would be enticing with Wemby/Pop; ugh, even Philly if they don't go after Pascal or lose out, would be an amazing add for them (Embiid's not going anywhere atm but on the far outside chance they did move him, he would bring a haul).

[OakleyDokely]

Better not to do either.

I didn't say you should do it, only that OG would be the best reported asset so far.

OG has elite defense, Herro has the high-level offense and though I agree OG is the better player overall, Herro is the better asset as he has term. I think the Blazers would have to take into account that OG is expiring, won't sign an extension and will hit UFA. Yes they have his rights but what if he doesn't like it in Portland? Lots of teams will have space next offseason that could potentially sign OG away for nothing. To name a few, the Magic would go hard for him and OG would be amazing and complete a starting 5 with Fultz, Wagner, Banchero, WCJ (my worry team for the Raptors if OG stayed); the Spurs would be enticing with Wemby/Pop; ugh, even Philly if they don't go after Pascal or lose out, would be an amazing add for them (Embiid's not going anywhere atm but on the far outside chance they did move him, he would bring a haul).

I guess, but having OG's bird rights is pretty valuable because more often than not, the player re-signs with his current team because they can pay the most and give the most years, especially guys in OG's tier who aren't max level guys.

[Los_29]

Better not to do either.

I didn't say you should do it, only that OG would be the best reported asset so far.

OG has elite defense, Herro has the high-level offense and though I agree OG is the better player overall, Herro is the better asset as he has term. I think the Blazers would have to take into account that OG is expiring, won't sign an extension and will hit UFA. Yes they have his rights but what if he doesn't like it in Portland? Lots of teams will have space next offseason that could potentially sign OG away for nothing. To name a few, the Magic would go hard for him and OG would be amazing and complete a starting 5 with Fultz, Wagner, Banchero, WCJ (my worry team for the Raptors if OG stayed); the Spurs would be enticing with Wemby/Pop; ugh, even Philly if they don't go after Pascal or lose out, would be an amazing add for them (Embiid's not going anywhere atm but on the far outside chance they did move him, he would bring a haul).

That’s actually the biggest issue. Herro does have term. Making over 30 million dollars a year over the next 4 years is a problem especially given what Herro brings. He’s in a bad mold. OG on the otherhand is a 3+D stud with extreme defensive versatility. OG is an asset. Herro is a liability.

[JB7]

Does Dame even make sense on the Raps though?

He is making $46M, $49M, $59M & $63M over the next 4 years

Pascal would be looking at an extension of $192M over 4 years, at best (averaging almost $50M per year).

Barnes' extension will probably be the max, which will average like $40M per year, starting in 2025-26.

3 years from now they would be paying $60M to Dame, $50M+ to Pascal and about $40M to Barnes. $150M on 3 players, one of which will have probably aged out by then (Dame).

[JRoy]

Does Dame even make sense on the Raps though?

He is making $46M, $49M, $59M & $63M over the next 4 years

Pascal would be looking at an extension of $192M over 4 years, at best (averaging almost $50M per year).

Barnes' extension will probably be the max, which will average like $40M per year, starting in 2025-26.

3 years from now they would be paying $60M to Dame, $50M+ to Pascal and about $40M to Barnes. $150M on 3 players, one of which will have probably aged out by then (Dame).

Lillard to TOR is a bad idea for both sides.

[docholliday99]

I didn't say you should do it, only that OG would be the best reported asset so far.

OG has elite defense, Herro has the high-level offense and though I agree OG is the better player overall, Herro is the better asset as he has term. I think the Blazers would have to take into account that OG is expiring, won't sign an extension and will hit UFA. Yes they have his rights but what if he doesn't like it in Portland? Lots of teams will have space next offseason that could potentially sign OG away for nothing. To name a few, the Magic would go hard for him and OG would be amazing and complete a starting 5 with Fultz, Wagner, Banchero, WCJ (my worry team for the Raptors if OG stayed); the Spurs would be enticing with Wemby/Pop; ugh, even Philly if they don't go after Pascal or lose out, would be an amazing add for them (Embiid's not going anywhere atm but on the far outside chance they did move him, he would bring a haul).

That’s actually the biggest issue. Herro does have term. Making over 30 million dollars a year over the next 4 years is a problem especially given what Herro brings. He’s in a bad mold. OG on the otherhand is a 3+D stud with extreme defensive versatility. OG is an asset. Herro is a liability.

OK, I do get that but I don't see OG as a true, valuable asset without term. Better player on defense yes and Herro at times a liability on defense, yes, but then that's why Herro's not paid the max and OG may get the max or close to it.

I see Herro at 23 as a souped-up version of GTJ, that can also play the 1. Paying him 19ish% of the cap is where he should be paid for his age and what he brings to the table. In this case, I don't see his term so much as the problem for the Blazers but his fit. I don't see the Heat finding a 3rd team to take Herro as a problem either, a number of teams could use him.