2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

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We are not trading down from 6th(if we end up there) for multiple picks for depth...lol.

We have depth now: Shead, Walter, Dick, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai.

You draft the guy at 6 you believe is better than all these guys and hopefully a starter...maybe more.

I want to trade for KD. Barrett and Poeltl for KD, Richards and #30.

[Tripod]

We are not trading down from 6th(if we end up there) for multiple picks for depth...lol.

We have depth now: Shead, Walter, Dick, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai.

You draft the guy at 6 you believe is better than all these guys and hopefully a starter...maybe more.

I agree with you. I always think draft the highest quality guy, but I do think we have overlap in Walter, Dick and Ochai.

I just wonder if the draft is deep in starters. After guys like Cooper, Ace, VJ and Dylan I am not thinking anyone is auto draft. Judging from the debate no here is sure either.

We agree.

We didn't go thru this season and finish 6th(hypothetically) only to trade down multiple times for depth...that's all I am saying.

Someone will be taken outside that group that goes on to be better than others inside that top 4. It's up to the scouts to try and figure out who. This is where they need to make their money.

As for the overlap, I agree. Maybe one is moved for a reliable backup C. Who knows.

Personally, I like that whoever we draft, they will be starting on the bench. Let ALL these kids battle it out for playing time and let the best rise to the top.

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We are not trading down from 6th(if we end up there) for multiple picks for depth...lol.

We have depth now: Shead, Walter, Dick, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai.

You draft the guy at 6 you believe is better than all these guys and hopefully a starter...maybe more.

I agree with you. I always think draft the highest quality guy, but I do think we have overlap in Walter, Dick and Ochai.

I just wonder if the draft is deep in starters. After guys like Cooper, Ace, VJ and Dylan I am not thinking anyone is auto draft. Judging from the debate no here is sure either.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2024.html

#14 Carlton Carrington
#15 Kel'el Ware
#16 Jared McCain

Arguably they are just as good as any 3 player drafted before them.

Jase will rise up the boards like Carrinton. Fleming will be a good pick for his spot up to #10 like Ware. Condon (better on defense) may not be a sexy pick but would be like taking Tristan DaSilva at #18.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I'm saying man. If we drop out of the Top 5, I believe there's a lot of quality talent to be had later in the draft. I'm looking at guys like Fleming, Richardson, Thiero and Condon. If Thiero can shoot even 35% from 3 on low volume, he'd be a HUGE piece for us off the bench. Still, I'd be happy with just the other 3.

Brooklyn has 5 picks - 4 in the first, 1 in the second. Maybe something like #6 + #40 for #22, #23, #27 & #36?

22, 23 & 27 for the 6 isn’t great value. You could probably trade down to the late lottery range, pick up another asset and still make that trade.

Ya, I'm thinking to trade with the Spurs first. Trade #7 and Ochai Agbaji for #9, #11 and Blake Wesley (filler). Spurs do this to draft Maluach.

Trade #11, Gradey Dick for #15 and #25 and Tristan DaSilva.

#9 Jase Richardson
#15 Rasheer Fleming
#25 Alex Condon
#40 Moustapha Thiam

Might have to flip flip Condon and Thiam.

PG IQ - Shead - Jase
SG Ingram - Jakobe - Jase
SF Barrett - Mogbo - Battle
PF Barnes - DaSilva - Fleming
C Poeltl - Fleming - Condon

905 - Chomche, Thiam

Khaman has genuine big man skills. Thiam is like a special olympics version of Bol Bol. Fade reddit.

[billy_hoyle]

We are not trading down from 6th(if we end up there) for multiple picks for depth...lol.

We have depth now: Shead, Walter, Dick, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai.

You draft the guy at 6 you believe is better than all these guys and hopefully a starter...maybe more.

It's not for depth, its that the clear best prospect is Tre , and it's likely better to turn Tre (a good fit on OKC and the Spurs) into Queen and Fleming, or Maluach and Traore, or Asa and McNeely etc.

I'm not sure where their picks land, nor who will be available, but I can see a scenario where Tre is worth more to them than us.

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We are not trading down from 6th(if we end up there) for multiple picks for depth...lol.

We have depth now: Shead, Walter, Dick, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai.

You draft the guy at 6 you believe is better than all these guys and hopefully a starter...maybe more.

It's not for depth, its that the clear best prospect is Tre , and it's likely better to turn Tre (a good fit on OKC and the Spurs) into Queen and Fleming, or Maluach and Traore, or Asa and McNeely etc.

I'm not sure where their picks land, nor who will be available, but I can see a scenario where Tre is worth more to them than us.

I can see Jase possibly being better than IQ. Shead might be like FVV but Jase has better size.

Have so much depth now. Derozan, Poeltl, Valanciunas, Delon Wright and CJ Miles were sacrificed for the Championship.

It's like the Ingram trade was akin to the T-Ross and 1st pick trade for Ibaka.

KD is on the block this summer so would have competition. Could they do an extend and trade for 2 more years total $100 million?

After trading down and drafting Jase, do we trade Shead? Barrett, Poeltl, Dick and Shead for KD, Richards and #30?

Would Barrett, Poeltl and Dick be enough for KD, Richards and #30?

Ooooooh, Phoenix would have a Dick Grayson combo!

[Dalek]

Been following Baba Miller for while now and he has finally come together as a player at FAU. I would be tempted to draft this 6'11 guy who does everything on the court. He looks NBA ready but need a look at him in the Combine and workouts to see how he looks against more NBA type guys.

Just found a recent clip of Miller's.

Read on Twitter

He has good size at 6'11 and he is mobile, can handle the ball and shoot it (he made huge improvements on his FT%). I know there are a lot of stretch-forwards and Cs in the draft, but I think he looks physically pretty ready (he has a strong base and can really move on the floor) and I think there are genuine balls skills/IQ to his game. I'd consider him with the Portland pick because he has made steady improvement in three years.

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Been following Baba Miller for while now and he has finally come together as a player at FAU. I would be tempted to draft this 6'11 guy who does everything on the court. He looks NBA ready but need a look at him in the Combine and workouts to see how he looks against more NBA type guys.

Just found a recent clip of Miller's.

Read on Twitter

He has good size at 6'11 and he is mobile, can handle the ball and shoot it (he made huge improvements on his FT%). I know there are a lot of stretch-forwards and Cs in the draft, but I think he looks physically pretty ready (he has a strong base and can really move on the floor) and I think there are genuine balls skills/IQ to his game. I'd consider him with the Portland pick because he has made steady improvement in three years.

He should stay another year and next year might be on the level of a Maxime Raynaud.

Right now I'd draft Moustapha Thiam over Baba with the Portland 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eMnxvp6gGRI

https://baylorbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2024-25/ucf/boxscore/28989

VJ has played against Thiam but have they played with each other?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yOh7yLjIQgk

I hear VJ Edgcombe and Muan Edgecombe.

[Son Goku 25]

Out of curiosity, where was Jamal Shead on your guys list last year?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Out of curiosity, where was Jamal Shead on your guys list last year?

Second rounder. Lower than he should’ve been.

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Out of curiosity, where was Jamal Shead on your guys list last year?

He wasn't on my radar with #31. I was mainly looking at Chomche, Filipowski, Tyler Smith, and with #19, Carlton Carrington and Tristan DaSilva.

I guess in a re-draft he would be in the mid 20's right now and moving up due to him being able to shoot the 3 around league average already.

[Dalek]

Out of curiosity, where was Jamal Shead on your guys list last year?

Undrafted free agent was where I would have had him. Older prospect that is 6 feet with no shooting metrics, there just wasn't enough to assess why he would transition well to the NBA. He had no outlier qualities other than defense, and even then in college it is hard to say 6 foot guards will be able to defend at the NBA level.

I can say I was aware of him for a couple years. I actually thought he was more of PG than Marcus Sasser back when they were Houston teammates.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Out of curiosity, where was Jamal Shead on your guys list last year?

Undrafted free agent was where I would have had him. Older prospect that is 6 feet with no shooting metrics, there just wasn't enough to assess why he would transition well to the NBA. He had no outlier qualities other than defense, and even then in college it is hard to say 6 foot guards will be able to defend at the NBA level.

I can say I was aware of him for a couple years. I actually thought he was more of PG than Marcus Sasser back when they were Houston teammates.

I thought KJ Simpson would be better, and by all accounts he should be. But how do you even project a guy like Shead? He shoots 30% from 3 in college, and now in the NBA he’s at 34%? It’s extremely difficult to predict that jump from a further distance too. The only thing I can think of is hard work and spacing, but those factors don’t always account to better pro productivity.

[Dalek]

Been following Baba Miller for while now and he has finally come together as a player at FAU. I would be tempted to draft this 6'11 guy who does everything on the court. He looks NBA ready but need a look at him in the Combine and workouts to see how he looks against more NBA type guys.

Just found a recent clip of Miller's.

Read on Twitter

He has good size at 6'11 and he is mobile, can handle the ball and shoot it (he made huge improvements on his FT%). I know there are a lot of stretch-forwards and Cs in the draft, but I think he looks physically pretty ready (he has a strong base and can really move on the floor) and I think there are genuine balls skills/IQ to his game. I'd consider him with the Portland pick because he has made steady improvement in three years.

He should stay another year and next year might be on the level of a Maxime Raynaud.

Right now I'd draft Moustapha Thiam over Baba with the Portland 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eMnxvp6gGRI

https://baylorbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2024-25/ucf/boxscore/28989

VJ has played against Thiam but have they played with each other?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yOh7yLjIQgk

I hear VJ Edgcombe and Muan Edgecombe.

Thiam is a big dude with a great block%, but I think he is more of a simple play finisher like Orlando Robinson. Good for dunks and blocks and a few threes. Thiam has a 5.5 ast% versus a 11.9 to%. That seems not ideal especially in our offense where we expect C's to be initiators at times.

Baba Miller has the ball in his hands way more. He has a negative assist/to ratio, but it is a little more reasonable.
15.6 Ast% versus 16.4 to%. He can play in pick and roll, play off the catch and handle in transition.

Also Miller has a .401 3PAr which is much more than Thiam and even Raynaud. I put a lot of stock in 3PAr frequency as an indicator of being a willing stretch big.

Again, Miller is only playing in the AAC so the league is weaker, but I just see a good basketball player with size and developing instincts. He might actually do well as a C as he gets stronger. He plays like a wing now, but he has C size and just needs to be a bit stronger. Maybe I am seeing too much, but this kid has some nice upside for a second rounder.

[Dalek]

Out of curiosity, where was Jamal Shead on your guys list last year?

Undrafted free agent was where I would have had him. Older prospect that is 6 feet with no shooting metrics, there just wasn't enough to assess why he would transition well to the NBA. He had no outlier qualities other than defense, and even then in college it is hard to say 6 foot guards will be able to defend at the NBA level.

I can say I was aware of him for a couple years. I actually thought he was more of PG than Marcus Sasser back when they were Houston teammates.

I thought KJ Simpson would be better, and by all accounts he should be. But how do you even project a guy like Shead? He shoots 30% from 3 in college, and now in the NBA he’s at 34%? It’s extremely difficult to predict that jump from a further distance too. The only thing I can think of is hard work and spacing, but those factors don’t always account to better pro productivity.

Yup, it is on the level of intangibles because the production and shooting attempts were on the low side. Shead has always been a leader and hardworker and his coach in Houston loved him. Sometimes teams draft guys as good culture guys, and I think that was what they saw in Shead. He wasn't a great shooter in his first couple months, but he figured out something in January. I just found it hilarious to get Shead we also received Davion Mitchell. Talk about being cut from the same cloth.

I still have some hope for KJ Simpson, but again, he is a small guard and teams won't give these guys too many minutes.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Just found a recent clip of Miller's.

Read on Twitter

He has good size at 6'11 and he is mobile, can handle the ball and shoot it (he made huge improvements on his FT%). I know there are a lot of stretch-forwards and Cs in the draft, but I think he looks physically pretty ready (he has a strong base and can really move on the floor) and I think there are genuine balls skills/IQ to his game. I'd consider him with the Portland pick because he has made steady improvement in three years.

He should stay another year and next year might be on the level of a Maxime Raynaud.

Right now I'd draft Moustapha Thiam over Baba with the Portland 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eMnxvp6gGRI

https://baylorbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2024-25/ucf/boxscore/28989

VJ has played against Thiam but have they played with each other?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yOh7yLjIQgk

I hear VJ Edgcombe and Muan Edgecombe.

Thiam is a big dude with a great block%, but I think he is more of a simple play finisher like Orlando Robinson. Good for dunks and blocks and a few threes. Thiam has a 5.5 ast% versus a 11.9 to%. That seems not ideal especially in our offense where we expect C's to be initiators at times.

Baba Miller has the ball in his hands way more. He has a negative assist/to ratio, but it is a little more reasonable.
15.6 Ast% versus 16.4 to%. He can play in pick and roll, play off the catch and handle in transition.

Also Miller has a .401 3PAr which is much more than Thiam and even Raynaud. I put a lot of stock in 3PAr frequency as an indicator of being a willing stretch big.

Again, Miller is only playing in the AAC so the league is weaker, but I just see a good basketball player with size and developing instincts. He might actually do well as a C as he gets stronger. He plays like a wing now, but he has C size and just needs to be a bit stronger. Maybe I am seeing too much, but this kid has some nice upside for a second rounder.

I had a man crush on Baba when he was at FSU, but now I’m not sure I see more than a big floor stretcher. I’d put him at the level with quality role players. I don’t want to say Channing Frye, but maybe a guy like that?

[Dalek]

He should stay another year and next year might be on the level of a Maxime Raynaud.

Right now I'd draft Moustapha Thiam over Baba with the Portland 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eMnxvp6gGRI

https://baylorbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2024-25/ucf/boxscore/28989

VJ has played against Thiam but have they played with each other?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yOh7yLjIQgk

I hear VJ Edgcombe and Muan Edgecombe.

Thiam is a big dude with a great block%, but I think he is more of a simple play finisher like Orlando Robinson. Good for dunks and blocks and a few threes. Thiam has a 5.5 ast% versus a 11.9 to%. That seems not ideal especially in our offense where we expect C's to be initiators at times.

Baba Miller has the ball in his hands way more. He has a negative assist/to ratio, but it is a little more reasonable.
15.6 Ast% versus 16.4 to%. He can play in pick and roll, play off the catch and handle in transition.

Also Miller has a .401 3PAr which is much more than Thiam and even Raynaud. I put a lot of stock in 3PAr frequency as an indicator of being a willing stretch big.

Again, Miller is only playing in the AAC so the league is weaker, but I just see a good basketball player with size and developing instincts. He might actually do well as a C as he gets stronger. He plays like a wing now, but he has C size and just needs to be a bit stronger. Maybe I am seeing too much, but this kid has some nice upside for a second rounder.

I had a man crush on Baba when he was at FSU, but now I’m not sure I see more than a big floor stretcher. I’d put him at the level with quality role players. I don’t want to say Channing Frye, but maybe a guy like that?

Maybe Channing Frye if he is asked to be strictly a shooter, but I see him show some wing tendencies. He might be more like Santi Aldama as a playmaking C. That's his high-end outcome, otherwise he would be more like Poku.

[Rapsfan07]

Is is possible to trade down and another trade to get, Rasheer Fleming, Jase Richardson, Moustapha Thiam and Alex Condon?

I would sacrifice, Gradey and Ochai and 2nd pick Portland.

PG IQ - Shead - Jase
SG Ingram - Jakobe - Jase
SF Barrett - Mogbo - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - Fleming
C Poeltl - Fleming - Condon

905 - Chomche, Thiam

Maybe a trade for KD, Richards and #30 for Poeltl, Barrett, Dick and Ochai

I'm saying man. If we drop out of the Top 5, I believe there's a lot of quality talent to be had later in the draft. I'm looking at guys like Fleming, Richardson, Thiero and Condon. If Thiero can shoot even 35% from 3 on low volume, he'd be a HUGE piece for us off the bench. Still, I'd be happy with just the other 3.

Brooklyn has 5 picks - 4 in the first, 1 in the second. Maybe something like #6 + #40 for #22, #23, #27 & #36?

22, 23 & 27 for the 6 isn’t great value. You could probably trade down to the late lottery range, pick up another asset and still make that trade.

Fine by me.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Where are you guys ranking Dink Pate? UDFA? The tools are drool worthy, but the production is puke worthy.

[DreamTeam09]

Where are you guys ranking Dink Pate? UDFA? The tools are drool worthy, but the production is puke worthy.

He's going to get drafted, probably 2nd round but someone will take a flyer on him.