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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1481 » by Psubs » Tue Jun 2, 2020 6:13 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:We all know the pick is gonna be straight out of left field on some overlooked guy who we all will go how tf did we not notice him before


I can only see Cassius Stanley, based on his super elite vertical and decent 3pt shot. Most others are similar to other prospects.

I think it would be more like the OG pick of someone falling. Good chance with such a deep/flat draft.
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Post#1482 » by Mark_83 » Tue Jun 2, 2020 7:14 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:We all know the pick is gonna be straight out of left field on some overlooked guy who we all will go how tf did we not notice him before

The only two picks that fit this description are Bruno and Pascal. We heard the Raps linked to Delon, OG, and Poetl leading up to the draft, and even during the Bruno draft we really wanted Ennis but he was taken a pick ahead of us.
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Post#1483 » by Syd-TK3 » Tue Jun 2, 2020 10:16 pm

Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though
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Post#1484 » by Mark_83 » Tue Jun 2, 2020 10:44 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

It's worse than Powell's was out of UCLA if that's even possible. There's a hitch and he shoots on the way down. It's awkward to watch.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1485 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 12:19 am

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tdotrep2 wrote:We all know the pick is gonna be straight out of left field on some overlooked guy who we all will go how tf did we not notice him before

The only two picks that fit this description are Bruno and Pascal. We heard the Raps linked to Delon, OG, and Poetl leading up to the draft, and even during the Bruno draft we really wanted Ennis but he was taken a pick ahead of us.


Even then, they were rumoured to be mid-2nd picks.

I was looking at the 3 PG's from France, Hayes, Maledon and Ayayi (Gonzaga sophomore). Ayayi is a year older than Hayes and Maledon but shoots the 3 better and has a better A/T at just over 2. Ayayi would be shocker pick at #28. Seems like a Delon Wright pick.

So after looking up Gonzaga I noticed someone with more assists and their PG was actually a junior that transferred, Ryan Woolridge. He's 6'3 but not that athletic. His FT% is oddly low at 60% but he shoots 50% and and over 40% from 3. Oh he only averages 0.8 fouls in 32.7 mins!!! Might be a #58 pick.

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Post#1486 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Jun 3, 2020 12:25 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

Whoever drafts him will have to help him rebuild his jumper ground up. It will be a project but it can be done. He shows he has nice touch and also in his 3 years in college, his free throw percentage was 74%. There's something to work with.
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Post#1487 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Jun 3, 2020 12:36 am

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Mark_83 wrote:Other than the defense part I'm not sure if Reed really fits in the same category. He's quite athletic, has very long arms and quickness. I've heard from people who watch DePaul though that his effort off the ball is not really there consistently, and his IQ and reads need work. Not saying he's bad or anything, just that he's not the making the most of limited tools type from what I've heard.

Most of those things you're saying are improvable.

Defensive effort is the least of my concerns. If he doesn't show full effort, Nurse won't give him minutes. He has a motor so I'm confident he will improve on that.

From what I've seen, I actually thought he looks like a toolsy player. He handles the ball, shoots, passes, drives, can read the defence. These skills are just at a very primitive stage which makes him look like he's limited kind of like Siakam in his rookie season.

I guess I'm a glass half full type of guy and I'm seeing a guy who has the potential to improve on many things and has the physical attributes tailor made for the NBA.


I am coming along to that type of thinking. Let's get the toolsy guys who are around 6-8 and above and aren't stiffs. This is often what the first round is about. You gamble a bit on the size and athleticism and figure you can help to fill out the rest.

The wing players like Paul Reed, Jaden McDaniels, Precious Achiuwa and Patrick Williams all meet that magical 6-8 to 6-9 threshold. All have their flaws.

Achiuwa is a turnover machine who can't shoot
Reed is the same as Achiuwa yet it took him three years to get to this point, but his defensive numbers are otherworldly
McDaniels is too raw and can't shoot efficiently but he has more offensive game than the others, in theory
Williams is probably the best of the bunch but his numbers looked weak

I have my preferences from these guys, and I think at least two of them won't be around by the time Toronto drafts.

The only guy that doesn't get the first round hype but probably deserves it is Chris Smith from UCLA. He has the size, but the difference is he can shoot it and showed growth over his career. To me, he reminds me most of Pascal. The guy who made a huge growth leap across the board.

Pascal jumped from 12 PPG to 20 PPG in a single year at NM State
Chris Smith went from 6 PPG to 13 PPG in a single year with big increases in shooting percentages

Who are your preferences and why?
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Post#1488 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 12:39 am

Mark_83 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

It's worse than Powell's was out of UCLA if that's even possible. There's a hitch and he shoots on the way down. It's awkward to watch.


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Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.
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Post#1489 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Jun 3, 2020 12:49 am

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Steven1562 wrote:Tillman could be a Draymond/Tucker type. You don't know what your gonna get scoring wise but he will do everything else. He also seems like a hard worker and a family man.


He seems like Taj Gibson.

I can see all these comparisons. An undersized big role player who will make a living off of knowing his role, knowing his strengths/weaknesses, playing really tough, and making the right decisions.

I would hope we get to draft a higher ceiling player but if nobody who fits our program is available, Tillman would be great. You can tell he would fit in with our group.
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Post#1490 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Jun 3, 2020 1:11 am

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Mark_83 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

It's worse than Powell's was out of UCLA if that's even possible. There's a hitch and he shoots on the way down. It's awkward to watch.


Mikal Bridges!



Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.

Assuming we select a wing or a big, we shouldn't concern ourselves which position these guys play. Our two main forwards, Pascal and OG, are both very versatile and I don't really see a player that wouldn't be able to play with these guys. We just have to focus on grabbing the most talented, highest ceiling player that fits our program.

Grabbing Tillman over Reed because he plays 5 is wrong. We have to select him because he will be the better player for us.
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Post#1491 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:37 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

Whoever drafts him will have to help him rebuild his jumper ground up. It will be a project but it can be done. He shows he has nice touch and also in his 3 years in college, his free throw percentage was 74%. There's something to work with.

It'll need a huge revamp, it's very awkward and uncoordinated making it hard for him to ever be consistent without change.

If they truly believe they can fix it then all the other defensive positives make it worth the task.
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Post#1492 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:42 am

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Mark_83 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

It's worse than Powell's was out of UCLA if that's even possible. There's a hitch and he shoots on the way down. It's awkward to watch.


Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.

Is Konate actually part of our team or is he a 905 player?
I haven't seen/heard anything from him.

I don't think we resign Boucher. Unless he comes for cheap I'd say he's probably last on the list of free agent priorities.
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Post#1493 » by nabbs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:45 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:
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Mark_83 wrote:It's worse than Powell's was out of UCLA if that's even possible. There's a hitch and he shoots on the way down. It's awkward to watch.


Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.

Is Konate actually part of our team or is he a 905 player?
I haven't seen/heard anything from him.

I don't think we resign Boucher. Unless he comes for cheap I'd say he's probably last on the list of free agent priorities.



He is on our Raptors 905 team but I believe anyone can claim him. Right now, our two way guys are Oshae and Paul Watson
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Post#1494 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 3:24 am

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Syd-TK3 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.

Is Konate actually part of our team or is he a 905 player?
I haven't seen/heard anything from him.

I don't think we resign Boucher. Unless he comes for cheap I'd say he's probably last on the list of free agent priorities.



He is on our Raptors 905 team but I believe anyone can claim him. Right now, our two way guys are Oshae and Paul Watson

Yeah that's what I figured. So he's technically not even player
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Post#1495 » by nabbs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 3:26 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:
nabbs wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Is Konate actually part of our team or is he a 905 player?
I haven't seen/heard anything from him.

I don't think we resign Boucher. Unless he comes for cheap I'd say he's probably last on the list of free agent priorities.



He is on our Raptors 905 team but I believe anyone can claim him. Right now, our two way guys are Oshae and Paul Watson

Yeah that's what I figured. So he's technically not even player


The raps definitely like something in him. They invested a lot of time in to the rehab of his knee. Feel like Brissett is going to get converted and he'll take one of the two ways.
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Post#1496 » by Mark_83 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 3:44 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:It's worse than Powell's was out of UCLA if that's even possible. There's a hitch and he shoots on the way down. It's awkward to watch.


Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.

Is Konate actually part of our team or is he a 905 player?
I haven't seen/heard anything from him.

I don't think we resign Boucher. Unless he comes for cheap I'd say he's probably last on the list of free agent priorities.

Konate is probably 905 fodder. He's interesting but a long long shot. I'd prefer to replace him with Diakite via draft or UDFA. At least he's got a shot to be a rotation guy with some work.
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Post#1497 » by Mark_83 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 4:01 am

As much as I've been advocating for Tillman, I think we should go in a different direction at 28 and just sign a guy in free agency who seems like an even better fit: Poetl.

I doubt San Antonio lets him go unless the offer sheet is a poison pill type. But we know he fits our culture and system and he's got untapped upside.

Per 35mins:

11.2pts 11.2reb 3.8ast 1.1stl 3blk

Those are elite defensive numbers for a center. By comparison, Marc Gasol's per 35 at the same age:

14pts 8.4reb 1.9ast 0.9stl 1.3blk

He's being severely under utilized in San Antonio at 16.6 mins a game. Those are slightly more than Chris Boucher minutes.

Draft Reed, sign Poetl, let Ibaka go and have Gasol mentor him on a short term deal. You have a young, elite defensive unit for the next 5 years.
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Post#1498 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 4:48 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Paul Reed really needs to change that shot though

Whoever drafts him will have to help him rebuild his jumper ground up. It will be a project but it can be done. He shows he has nice touch and also in his 3 years in college, his free throw percentage was 74%. There's something to work with.

It'll need a huge revamp, it's very awkward and uncoordinated making it hard for him to ever be consistent without change.

If they truly believe they can fix it then all the other defensive positives make it worth the task.


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Post#1499 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 4:49 am

nabbs wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Can pair him off the bench with OG, I think Reed is like a SF/PF. If you want to draft a PF/C then Tillman over Reed.

Dewan and Konate are likely both only PF/C's. Reed might more able to play C than Boucher.

Is Konate actually part of our team or is he a 905 player?
I haven't seen/heard anything from him.

I don't think we resign Boucher. Unless he comes for cheap I'd say he's probably last on the list of free agent priorities.



He is on our Raptors 905 team but I believe anyone can claim him. Right now, our two way guys are Oshae and Paul Watson


Oshae can be back to 905. Konate is the better prospect.

nabbs wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
nabbs wrote:

He is on our Raptors 905 team but I believe anyone can claim him. Right now, our two way guys are Oshae and Paul Watson

Yeah that's what I figured. So he's technically not even player


The raps definitely like something in him. They invested a lot of time in to the rehab of his knee. Feel like Brissett is going to get converted and he'll take one of the two ways.


Brissett is like a really good cheerleader! :rock: :onfire: :rocking:

Watson gets a shot at SF.
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Post#1500 » by Mark_83 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 4:50 am

Psubs wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:Whoever drafts him will have to help him rebuild his jumper ground up. It will be a project but it can be done. He shows he has nice touch and also in his 3 years in college, his free throw percentage was 74%. There's something to work with.

It'll need a huge revamp, it's very awkward and uncoordinated making it hard for him to ever be consistent without change.

If they truly believe they can fix it then all the other defensive positives make it worth the task.


Like Markelle Fultz!

I think Fultz's problem is more mental honestly. He's got the yips. There are uglier shots that make it work.

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