OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[DHK]

Everyone in t his thread who are arguing with the people who are anti-maskers, who think it's okay to party, who think it's some government conspiracy and the people who think the covid is some hoax...should stop.
They're idiots, using confirmation bias to support their opinions off of other idiots. Using anything that they can get their hands on that can support their argument because they're completely entrenched in their views.
Let them get covid and let natural selection take care of them or maybe they'll catch it, roam around some more, get their friends infected or their s/o, parents or whatever and maybe they'll realized the hard way or (not at all in some cases), how stupid their actions are. A majority of the population is doing their part but sadly selfish, entitled, crazy and/or stupid people exist.

Covid has really opened my eyes off of how many stupid people in the world there are and it's depressing. It's laughable to me to see how a bunch of my students have a better sense, logic and rationale then full grown adults (or maybe some of these people are kids, no idea).

Also thank you for sharing your story Yogi, I hope everything is back to normal.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Believe what you want. I'll live my life the way I see fit.

i have no problems with that.
just don't do anything to put anyone else's lives at risk. stay home. order food in. leave us all alone and live your miserable life on your own. thanks

Thanks for trying to make it personal just because I share a different opinion that doesn't go with the mainstream media like many other educated people. You have no clue what my practices are and are obviously going to make foolish assumptions. My life's quite good as a matter of fact. Seems you and your crew of sheep are the ones taking this personally and name calling among other reportable acts of conduct.

if you are scared of us sheep, you are welcome to just stay home and feel safe.

[BigBoss23]

i have no problems with that.
just don't do anything to put anyone else's lives at risk. stay home. order food in. leave us all alone and live your miserable life on your own. thanks

Thanks for trying to make it personal just because I share a different opinion that doesn't go with the mainstream media like many other educated people. You have no clue what my practices are and are obviously going to make foolish assumptions. My life's quite good as a matter of fact. Seems you and your crew of sheep are the ones taking this personally and name calling among other reportable acts of conduct.

if you are scared of us sheep, you are welcome to just stay home and feel safe.

You are the one that's scared of me son.

Funny how having a different opinion somehow makes me an anti-masker or anti-vaccine person of which I am not. But the mass hysteria has gotten to many on this board, and there are many on this board who this mass hysteria HASN"T gotten to either.

[YogiStewart]

Thanks for trying to make it personal just because I share a different opinion that doesn't go with the mainstream media like many other educated people. You have no clue what my practices are and are obviously going to make foolish assumptions. My life's quite good as a matter of fact. Seems you and your crew of sheep are the ones taking this personally and name calling among other reportable acts of conduct.

if you are scared of us sheep, you are welcome to just stay home and feel safe.

You are the one that's scared of me son.

Funny how having a different opinion somehow makes me an anti-masker or anti-vaccine person of which I am not. But the mass hysteria has gotten to many on this board, and there are many on this board who this mass hysteria HASN"T gotten to either.

i'm going to warn you:
use of "son" is derogatory. it's racist. not sure if you did it intentionally or not.

you do it again and i'll ask that you be suspended. hope you understand.

this has NOTHING to do with your opinions on here. but you do NOT call people "son". full stop.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Funny how having a different opinion somehow makes me an anti-masker or anti-vaccine person of which I am not. But the mass hysteria has gotten to many on this board, and there are many on this board who this mass hysteria HASN"T gotten to either.

Funny how when someone's different opinion isn't based on any factual evidence and they are questioned or challenged on their opinion, they then play the victim and attempt to wear it as a badge of honor.

[noname2797]

Just fear tactics - fact is the flu is more deadly for kids. Covid rarely kill the young bottom line.

Feel bad for those kids, but nobody talks abut the millions that are completely healthy after battling the virus without damage months after.

Media always fishing for the scary stories for clicks.

Are you suggesting the scientists that PUBLISHED THIS STUDY are engaging in fear tactics?

The stupid. It burns.

I didn't think the morons in here could possibly respond to the results of this study with sheer stupidity but I continue to overestimate the common sense of my fellow man.

I'm suggesting it's not a big deal and used to scare people - Not to compare both viruses but the flu is more deadly for kids and lots of the time kids have long-term issues while battling the flu - Why is it anymore scary now?

I think you're missing the point.. Let's say it's not scary. Let's say that it was at the same level for you as the flu, and it very might well be if you don't acknowledge the potential effects of it down the road which haven't been studied.

The scary part of it is how deadly it is for old folks. We don't have the hospital capacity to deal with everyone getting COVID. Once we reach a level of max capacity, then it starts to affect people that don't even have COVID. We're talking normal surgeries, checkups, accidents, etc. etc. That's the scary part.

[BigBoss23]

if you are scared of us sheep, you are welcome to just stay home and feel safe.

You are the one that's scared of me son.

Funny how having a different opinion somehow makes me an anti-masker or anti-vaccine person of which I am not. But the mass hysteria has gotten to many on this board, and there are many on this board who this mass hysteria HASN"T gotten to either.

i'm going to warn you:
use of "son" is derogatory. it's racist. not sure if you did it intentionally or not.

you do it again and i'll ask that you be suspended. hope you understand.

this has NOTHING to do with your opinions on here. but you do NOT call people "son". full stop.

Sure thing pops. Didn't realize it could be interpreted as racist but if so I'll genuinely apologize. EDIT: Asked around, almost nobody thinks its a racist remark but if that's the standard of which this board wishes to use then sure.

At the same time, don't make things personal just because you disagree with my opinions on this topic. I've already reported you for that.

"leave us all alone and live your miserable life on your own." Stop with the personal attacks.

[BigBoss23]

Are you suggesting the scientists that PUBLISHED THIS STUDY are engaging in fear tactics?

The stupid. It burns.

I didn't think the morons in here could possibly respond to the results of this study with sheer stupidity but I continue to overestimate the common sense of my fellow man.

I'm suggesting it's not a big deal and used to scare people - Not to compare both viruses but the flu is more deadly for kids and lots of the time kids have long-term issues while battling the flu - Why is it anymore scary now?

I think you're missing the point.. Let's say it's not scary. Let's say that it was at the same level for you as the flu, and it very might well be if you don't acknowledge the potential effects of it down the road which haven't been studied.

The scary part of it is how deadly it is for old folks. We don't have the hospital capacity to deal with everyone getting COVID. Once we reach a level of max capacity, then it starts to affect people that don't even have COVID. We're talking normal surgeries, checkups, accidents, etc. etc. That's the scary part.

The scary part is its our elected officials who failed to shore up the health care system even though they've had 8 months since March to do so. But its much easier to deflect blame and pin it on those who don't support the narrative.

[beanbag]

I'm suggesting it's not a big deal and used to scare people - Not to compare both viruses but the flu is more deadly for kids and lots of the time kids have long-term issues while battling the flu - Why is it anymore scary now?

I think you're missing the point.. Let's say it's not scary. Let's say that it was at the same level for you as the flu, and it very might well be if you don't acknowledge the potential effects of it down the road which haven't been studied.

The scary part of it is how deadly it is for old folks. We don't have the hospital capacity to deal with everyone getting COVID. Once we reach a level of max capacity, then it starts to affect people that don't even have COVID. We're talking normal surgeries, checkups, accidents, etc. etc. That's the scary part.

The scary part is its our elected officials who failed to shore up the health care system even though they've had 8 months since March to do so. But its much easier to deflect blame and pin it on those who don't support the narrative.

If you believe our health care system isn't shored up, doesn't that make stopping the spread all the more important?

[BigBoss23]

I think you're missing the point.. Let's say it's not scary. Let's say that it was at the same level for you as the flu, and it very might well be if you don't acknowledge the potential effects of it down the road which haven't been studied.

The scary part of it is how deadly it is for old folks. We don't have the hospital capacity to deal with everyone getting COVID. Once we reach a level of max capacity, then it starts to affect people that don't even have COVID. We're talking normal surgeries, checkups, accidents, etc. etc. That's the scary part.

The scary part is its our elected officials who failed to shore up the health care system even though they've had 8 months since March to do so. But its much easier to deflect blame and pin it on those who don't support the narrative.

If you believe our health care system isn't shored up, doesn't that make stopping the spread all the more important?

IMO its more important to protect the vulnerable if they so choose, using a blanket approach isn't protecting the ones who are vulnerable when the vast majority of the population will not have any issues should they ever get the virus.

[bargs4mvp]

Holy ****, haven’t been in this board since game 7 against Celtics. I guess I learned a new racial slur today


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[NBA Sheady]

Normally I wouldn't respond to trolls like you, but I'll bite. You don't know me. You don't know my family, or that I have family in the medical field including a doctor, pharmacist among other careers. Quite frankly, IDGAF about your opinion as I would never care about the opinion of someone who I wouldn't seek advice from. Cheers.

If they put you at the front of the line, I’ll pay you to take your spot then. I would really like to be able to travel again and go away. And when you decide you don't want the vaccine...you can stay right where you are, because you can bet that no other nation is letting you in without proof. Oh sorry.... did that reality interrupt your good time again?

I'm good thanks. Happy travels. What I do is none of your concern.

A person acting selfishly and irresponsibly which could result in the harm of someone i care about is absolutely my concern..

Notice I said harm instead of death because I'm intellectually capable of understanding this disease beyond its mortality rate.

[NBA Sheady]

The scary part is its our elected officials who failed to shore up the health care system even though they've had 8 months since March to do so. But its much easier to deflect blame and pin it on those who don't support the narrative.

If you believe our health care system isn't shored up, doesn't that make stopping the spread all the more important?

IMO its more important to protect the vulnerable if they so choose, using a blanket approach isn't protecting the ones who are vulnerable when the vast majority of the population will not have any issues should they ever get the virus.

Multiple studies have been posted disproving this. You are stupid and you are a danger to your community by acting this way.

[Johnny Bball]

Believe what you want. I'll live my life the way I see fit.

i have no problems with that.
just don't do anything to put anyone else's lives at risk. stay home. order food in. leave us all alone and live your miserable life on your own. thanks

Thanks for trying to make it personal just because I share a different opinion that doesn't go with the mainstream media like many other educated people. You have no clue what my practices are and are obviously going to make foolish assumptions. My life's quite good as a matter of fact. Seems you and your crew of sheep are the ones taking this personally and name calling among other reportable acts of conduct.

No guy. You're not like other educated people on this matter. Not one single solitary bit.

For example, only 20% of people are asymptomatic and that is not a vast majority.

And lmao at the last sentence.

[beanbag]

The scary part is its our elected officials who failed to shore up the health care system even though they've had 8 months since March to do so. But its much easier to deflect blame and pin it on those who don't support the narrative.

If you believe our health care system isn't shored up, doesn't that make stopping the spread all the more important?

IMO its more important to protect the vulnerable if they so choose, using a blanket approach isn't protecting the ones who are vulnerable when the vast majority of the population will not have any issues should they ever get the virus.

Setting aside you are wrong about the vast majority not having ANY issues. Let's say you were right about that.

If there is a greater outbreak among the general population, I would argue it is tougher to protect the vulnerable.

If I draw myself a nice bubble bath and 95% of the bathroom is fine to have bubbles, but 5% of the bathroom absolutely cannot have any bubbles my plan of attack would still be to limit the amount of bubbles overall so as to give myself a greater chance of avoiding that 5%

[mtcan]

The scary part is its our elected officials who failed to shore up the health care system even though they've had 8 months since March to do so. But its much easier to deflect blame and pin it on those who don't support the narrative.

If you believe our health care system isn't shored up, doesn't that make stopping the spread all the more important?

IMO its more important to protect the vulnerable if they so choose, using a blanket approach isn't protecting the ones who are vulnerable when the vast majority of the population will not have any issues should they ever get the virus.

I posted this days ago...but worth repeating...


You do realize that it's not just the elderly that are vulnerable...right?

You know who else is vulnerable? People with:
cancer
diabetes
autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, etc.
obesity
cardiovascular disease
organ transplants
asthma
COPD
smokers
...I'm sure I'm missing some...but this covers many categories.

And you do realize that most of these people aren't elderly. You're going to isolate them too? There might be more of these people than average healthy people in the population.

So you are going to lock up the people who smoke or have asthma or diabetic or fat people? Good luck with that. You may realize that if you isolate them to "protect" them...there may not be many people available in the able bodied population to keep society running.

Yes...there are diabetic bus drivers, obese McDonald's employees, police officers with a cardiac history, doctors with cancer and grocery store workers with organ transplants taking immunosuppressive medications.

You clearly don't think through your dumbass world views.

[GQStylin]

You do realize that it's not just the elderly that are vulnerable...right?

You know who else is vulnerable? People with:
cancer
diabetes
autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, etc.
obesity
cardiovascular disease
organ transplants
asthma
COPD
smokers
...I'm sure I'm missing some...but this covers many categories.

And you do realize that most of these people aren't elderly. You're going to isolate them too? There might be more of these people than average healthy people in the population.

You're right there are many people who are at higher risk to the virus, BUT somehow after all this time 87% of all covid deaths in Canada are still 70 years of age and older. If you include 60-70 age group then 96% of all covid deaths are happening to seniors. So somehow even with all the various people with other conditions that you listed who should be more vulnerable to the virus, they're still not dying in large numbers despite being at higher risk of doing so.

Also there's over 6 million seniors in Canada right now and even though they're considered the most vulnerable and represent the vast majority of virus deaths, don't you think that with 6 million+ seniors there should be tens of thousands of more deaths among them if the virus was so lethal to this group of people? Or does the fact that even this most at risk group is largely unaffected by the virus tell you that even seniors who are decently healthy are mostly unaffected?

So please explain this to me. We keep saying seniors are the most vulnerable and yet the 6+ million senior population has barely been touched by the virus if you're looking at the big picture. Only seniors and the sick living in long term care homes who are the absolute least healthy in our country have been affected the most which tells you again that this virus which we're all so afraid of can only take the lives of the very sickest and weakest in our population and THAT'S what we need to go nuts over??

Don't facts matter anymore? And when you look at the facts that come straight from the government that get updated daily that show the virus isn't anywhere near as lethal compared to how our media and leaders continue to say it is, should we not believe the facts?

[mtcan]

You do realize that it's not just the elderly that are vulnerable...right?

You know who else is vulnerable? People with:
cancer
diabetes
autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, etc.
obesity
cardiovascular disease
organ transplants
asthma
COPD
smokers
...I'm sure I'm missing some...but this covers many categories.

And you do realize that most of these people aren't elderly. You're going to isolate them too? There might be more of these people than average healthy people in the population.

You're right there are many people who are at higher risk to the virus, BUT somehow after all this time 87% of all covid deaths in Canada are still 70 years of age and older. If you include 60-70 age group then 96% of all covid deaths are happening to seniors. So somehow even with all the various people with other conditions that you listed who should be more vulnerable to the virus, they're still not dying in large numbers despite being at higher risk of doing so.

Also there's over 6 million seniors in Canada right now and even though they're considered the most vulnerable and represent the vast majority of virus deaths, don't you think that with 6 million+ seniors there should be tens of thousands of more deaths among them if the virus was so lethal to this group of people? Or does the fact that even this most at risk group is largely unaffected by the virus tell you that even seniors who are decently healthy are mostly unaffected?

So please explain this to me. We keep saying seniors are the most vulnerable and yet the 6+ million senior population has barely been touched by the virus if you're looking at the big picture. Only seniors and the sick living in long term care homes who are the absolute least healthy in our country have been affected the most which tells you again that this virus which we're all so afraid of can only take the lives of the very sickest and weakest in our population and THAT'S what we need to go nuts over??

Don't facts matter anymore? And when you look at the facts that come straight from the government that get updated daily that show the virus isn't anywhere near as lethal compared to how our media and leaders continue to say it is, should we not believe the facts?

Death isn't the only endpoint anymore. Not sure if you've bothered to read the past few pages. If not...I'm going to rehash it.

[Fairview4Life]

Imagine just throwing out all 60 year olds and up. Just toss em all in the trash. So you can sit in a **** restaurant.

[YogiStewart]

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You're right there are many people who are at higher risk to the virus, BUT somehow after all this time 87% of all covid deaths in Canada are still 70 years of age and older. If you include 60-70 age group then 96% of all covid deaths are happening to seniors.

taking Manitoba's data, which didn't have a first wave and is getting hit now with one big wave:

MANITOBA COVID-19 UPDATE NOV. 24:
- 476 new
- 14,558 total
- 8,677 act
- 248 dead (M: 2-100s, 16-90s, 46-80s, 34-70s, 14-60s, 5-50s, 4-40s, 30s, 20s, W: 2-100s, 30-90s, 43-80s, 17-70s, 12-60s, 6-50s, 2-40s, 30s)

that's 44% under 80.
23% are under 70.

so for this mass euthanasia you're calling for, what's the age cut-off to make you happy?

and what you and the "others" fail to understand is the snowball effect once ICUs are overrun. death rates spike for covid and non-covid patients. once the system is overwhelmed, you're looking at poorer survival rates, and that's where we're always heading without lockdowns. plain and simple.