Official NBA General Discussion 2020-21 V1.0

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I wouldn't consider outscoring the Hawks by 7 PPG over the series to be a struggle. They needed 6 games, but they lost G1 by 3 points and had one blowout loss when Giannis left early with an injury. Also, last year's Phoenix team was better and beat better competition (Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers) than the bubble ball Heat.

When did Miami show Milwaukee is easily beatable? Tonight when the Bucks were without almost half of their rotation or in the bubble when Milwaukee was already clearly struggling and had a very different roster?

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Funny you bring up no Giannis but don’t bring up how Atlanta didn’t have Trae for game 5 and a hobbled Trae Young in game 6. The Hawks are worse without Young more than the Bucks without Giannis because the bucks still had all star Middleton.

The Bucks struggled vs a 5th seed team, a team that probably beats them if Young didn’t get hurt in game 4. Bucks got very lucky with all the injuries. FIVE superstars were injured this past playoffs, in addition multiple allstars as well.

The blowout loss that Giannis was injured midway through was a game that Trae also missed. It is relevant, but one blowout game where the Bucks' offence was garbage without Giannis doesn't change the fact that the Bucks handled the Hawks perfectly fine. However way you try to slice it, Milwaukee won in 6 games and had a +7.2 NetRTG despite missing Giannis for 2.5 games.

Milwaukee was fortunate that the Nets were without Kyrie for the last 3 games and Harden for 3 games in the middle, but they deserve full credit for their Championship. I don't know why so many people in this thread think a playoff series in a bubble after a 5-month hiatus a year ago when Milwaukee had a very different roster or a regular season game with half of their rotation out is more valid than what happened 4-5 months ago in more normal conditions.

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Nothing changes the fact that the Bucks struggled with a 5th seed in the ecfs and needed that 5th seeds best player to go down with an injury to gain back control of the series. As well as it took game 7 OT to put away a Nets team with just KD and a bunch of old guys plus a hobbled Harden who couldn’t provide much of anything.

Both top contenders out west went down early with their respective injuries so they never even had to face them in the finals.

They get full credit for taking advantage of the record amount of injuries and eeking out a championship. Not all championships are equal though (for me personally, not saying for everyone). The longer I follow the nba the more I realize that.

[HumbleRen]

I think a healthy Hawks team can beat any team in the East if they’re on their A game.

[Son Goku 25]

All this proves how far away we are.

We know the recipe for success so there's that. It took a while for us to even get Lowry, Gasol let alone a Kawhi level player.

Might be first year in a while I might skip some games tbh, we're looking at a likely 3-4 year window before we start making some real noise.

[tecumseh18]

All this proves how far away we are.

We know the recipe for success so there's that. It took a while for us to even get Lowry, Gasol let alone a Kawhi level player.

Might be first year in a while I might skip some games tbh, we're looking at a likely 3-4 year window before we start making some real noise.

No, all this proves is that the first few games are meaningless. Unless you really think the Heat are 40 points per game better than the Bucks, who are 20 points per game better than the Nets.

Don't forget, Kidd is now coaching the Mavs.

[WaltFrazier]

Look At Lowry do his thing. Honestly look at the heat play you don’t see Lowry just dribbling the ball around for five hours.

In FVV's defense, I will say that he is in the wrong role and Nurse is the one who needs to adjust this issue.

Lol I’ve been saying this for 3 years and have been called a hater and an idiot for criticizing nurse etc etc etc

Yeah but Kyle was not dribbling endlessly here either, he was moving the ball in halfcourt and on the break. Fred should have learned from Kyle's example alone.

Missed the game, just turned on a highlight package and the Miami announcer was saying "...they have to learn to run hard and always be looking, because Lowry will pass it" . This does not describe Fred.

[treerollins]

FVV has the mindset of a guy who might play 44min. I'd rather him have the mindset that he's getting 25min and needs to bring some energy when he's in there. As long as we have Dragic there's no reason not to scale down minutes.

[Boogie!]

All this proves how far away we are.

We know the recipe for success so there's that. It took a while for us to even get Lowry, Gasol let alone a Kawhi level player.

Might be first year in a while I might skip some games tbh, we're looking at a likely 3-4 year window before we start making some real noise.

this could potentially be a fun season to watch... the problem is im forced to watch players who won't even be here in a year, take minutes away from the guys i actually want to see play... idk why nurse doesn't just completely revamp his offense... fvv sucks as a playmaker, scottie barnes is a natural... dragic is a benchwarmer. play to their strengths, stop forcing a square peg in a round hole. i honestly don't know any other team that would start fvv and dragic together. it's nutso.

[Kingsway_fan]

FVV has the mindset of a guy who might play 44min. I'd rather him have the mindset that he's getting 25min and needs to bring some energy when he's in there. As long as we have Dragic there's no reason not to scale down minutes.

Fred is into himself and he thinks of himself as the big dog that needs to be fed... working on that next contract, instead of making his teammates look good... 20 shats... damn you better make 10 then...

[Son Goku 25]

All this proves how far away we are.

We know the recipe for success so there's that. It took a while for us to even get Lowry, Gasol let alone a Kawhi level player.

Might be first year in a while I might skip some games tbh, we're looking at a likely 3-4 year window before we start making some real noise.

No, all this proves is that the first few games are meaningless. Unless you really think the Heat are 40 points per game better than the Bucks, who are 20 points per game better than the Nets.

Don't forget, Kidd is now coaching the Mavs.

That's fine and all but still doesn't mean I'm wrong about us being a few years away from really making some noise and competing

[hsb]

Myles Turner had a great stretch, also made Harrell realize he can't do the things he could do the game before.

[Los_29]

Heat with Lowry easily beat the Bucks in the playoffs again.

Bucks are missing Brook, Jrue, Donte and Portis.

Heat are definitely an improved team with Lowry but let's not forget that the Bucks beat the brakes off of them last year. It wasn't a competitive series and I highly doubt an aging Lowry and Butler are going to be able to compete with a team featuring a top 3 player in the league and a supporting cast of Middleton and Jrue.

Heat smoked the Bucks the year before. They also have a counter for Jrue now in Lowry.

They smoked them in the bubble when the Bucks were trotting out guys like George Hill and Eric Bledsoe.

Bucks are a significantly better team than the Heat.

[Spates]

Simmons will play for the 76ers again if they need him. A disappointing start would change everything.

[WaltFrazier]

Scuffle in the Lakers timeout huddle just now, just saw the end. Need to see a replay

[WaltFrazier]

Suns up 13 on Lakers at half, playing hard for Sarver.

[Bruin]

Scuffle in the Lakers timeout huddle just now, just saw the end. Need to see a replay

Apparently was between Dwight and AD

[HangTime]

Where did this Mo Bamba come from.

[WaltFrazier]

Scuffle in the Lakers timeout huddle just now, just saw the end. Need to see a replay

Apparently was between Dwight and AD

Yeah the halftime show just discussed it. SAS was ranting how Dwight better not get on the wrong side of AD or he'll be out of the league. Jalen Rose saying how it's nothing and they're talking it out in locker room.

What a bad halftime show that is compared to TNT. And they have such short little segments, all commercials.

[WaltFrazier]

Scuffle in the Lakers timeout huddle just now, just saw the end. Need to see a replay

Apparently was between Dwight and AD

Yeah the halftime show just discussed it. SAS was ranting how Dwight better not get on the wrong side of AD or he'll be out of the league. Jalen Rose saying how it's nothing and they're talking it out in locker room.

What a bad halftime show that is compared to TNT. And they have such short little segments, all commercials.

Doris just added, Dwight had made a stupidly hard foul on Chris Paul, AD was telling him on the court why do that, Dwight didn't listen then it continued on the bench in a timeout.

[Bruin]

Scuffle in the Lakers timeout huddle just now, just saw the end. Need to see a replay

Apparently was between Dwight and AD

Yeah the halftime show just discussed it. SAS was ranting how Dwight better not get on the wrong side of AD or he'll be out of the league. Jalen Rose saying how it's nothing and they're talking it out in locker room.

What a bad halftime show that is compared to TNT. And they have such short little segments, all commercials.

I wonder if maybe there’s also a bit of distaste from Dwight getting snubbed for the list of 75 which AD got in

[WaltFrazier]

Apparently was between Dwight and AD

Yeah the halftime show just discussed it. SAS was ranting how Dwight better not get on the wrong side of AD or he'll be out of the league. Jalen Rose saying how it's nothing and they're talking it out in locker room.

What a bad halftime show that is compared to TNT. And they have such short little segments, all commercials.

I wonder if maybe there’s also a bit of distaste from Dwight getting snubbed for the list of 75 which AD got in

Maybe, I thought of that too. I saw stuff today making a great case for Howard based on his first 10 years or so. I think his goofiness and his falling to the level of a role player hurt him.