Summer Runs and Random Player Sightings

[DemHeavyHands]

Wow so many experts in here who know exactly how a nba player should be training

The guy in the vid above trains professional b-ball players. What are your credentials?

Never said I had credentials for training nba players??

What are u on about Dennis Schroder

[mtcan]

The VIBES

Serbian folk dance lessons coming up this training camp.

Watch on YouTube

How did you get your YouTube clip to work the 2nd time, mine always end up like your 1st post

I had to copy link from the browser instead of pressing the "share" button and using that link. YouTube changes the link to some abbreviated version when you press the "share" button. RealGM wants the original long form link

[DreamTeam09]

Serbian folk dance lessons coming up this training camp.

Watch on YouTube

How did you get your YouTube clip to work the 2nd time, mine always end up like your 1st post

I had to copy link from the browser instead of pressing the "share" button and using that link. YouTube changes the link to some abbreviated version when you press the "share" button. RealGM wants the original long form link

Goated response, thx

[RoteSchroder]

Wow so many experts in here who know exactly how a nba player should be training

The guy in the vid above trains professional b-ball players. What are your credentials?

Never said I had credentials for training nba players??

What are u on about Dennis Schroder

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

[DreamTeam09]

The guy in the vid above trains professional b-ball players. What are your credentials?

Never said I had credentials for training nba players??

What are u on about Dennis Schroder

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

I had experience training, seeing developed, rebounding for and giving advice to plenty of players who are currently in the NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college & I wouldn't dare fix my mouth to disregard an NBA players trainer & who they decided to train/workout with. That would be a really egotistical thing to do as if I am the end all be all to player development. Especially someone who's helped said player get to the NBA from the jump.

[RoteSchroder]

Never said I had credentials for training nba players??

What are u on about Dennis Schroder

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

I had experience training, seeing developed, rebounding for and giving advice to plenty of players who are currently in the NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college & I wouldn't dare fix my mouth to disregard an NBA players trainer & who they decided to train/workout with. That would be a really egotistical thing to do as if I am the end all be all to player development. Especially someone who's helped said player get to the NBA from the jump.

By this terrible logic, no one should comment on anything because nothing anyone does here is at the NBA level. Why are you even on here, shouldn't you follow your own philosophies?

Scottie came into the NBA touted as a raw prospect with elite athleticism/length, so clearly his trainer didn't do much pre-NBA. It's not like we were getting a highly polished player. His progression in his first four years has been lackluster, so clearly his trainer yet again hasn't accomplished much.

We now have a compilation of about 50 shooting drills Scottie's done over the past 5 years, and none of it matches what the Spurs/Curry/several other teams have been doing and what the professional trainer has mentioned above. You seem really egotistical to think that you know better than NBA players and NBA developmental programs. My opinion, on the other hand, is based on what those guys are telling me.

In fact, you yourself, even mentioned that he WAS very likely doing those drills. So even you agree that he should be doing them.

[DemHeavyHands]

The guy in the vid above trains professional b-ball players. What are your credentials?

Never said I had credentials for training nba players??

What are u on about Dennis Schroder

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

I have no idea wtf you are talking about Dennis

I was referring to the posters in this thread who seem to think that Scottie isn’t training properly

Please don’t tell me you think the posters in this thread are “bball experts”

[RoteSchroder]

Never said I had credentials for training nba players??

What are u on about Dennis Schroder

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

I have no idea wtf you are talking about Dennis

I was referring to the posters in this thread who seem to think that Scottie isn’t training properly

Please don’t tell me you think the posters in this thread are “bball experts”

the video I posted is literally a professional trainer commenting on Scottie's training routine, who are saying the same thing as the posters in this thread

And I'm a professional NBA player myself (Dennis), so what gives you the authority to attack the posters and rather than breaking down why those posters are wrong.

DreamTeam09 works with NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college players and he claims that "every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this" except for Scottie.

[Basketball_Jones]

I’m not that up in arms over the speed and intensity of the Scottie workout. I’m more of the thinking he already has done these drills to a certain extent and don’t really think he’s going to improve much there as an off the dribble shooter from deep. Would like to see more creative dribble and mid range stuff and him with an actual defender on him to a degree. Some real bag work and not just shooting around by himself.

[DreamTeam09]

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

I had experience training, seeing developed, rebounding for and giving advice to plenty of players who are currently in the NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college & I wouldn't dare fix my mouth to disregard an NBA players trainer & who they decided to train/workout with. That would be a really egotistical thing to do as if I am the end all be all to player development. Especially someone who's helped said player get to the NBA from the jump.

By this terrible logic, no one should comment on anything because nothing anyone does here is at the NBA level. Why are you even on here, shouldn't you follow your own philosophies?

Scottie came into the NBA touted as a raw prospect with elite athleticism/length, so clearly his trainer didn't do much pre-NBA. It's not like we were getting a highly polished player. His progression in his first four years has been lackluster, so clearly his trainer yet again hasn't accomplished much.

We now have a compilation of about 50 shooting drills Scottie's done over the past 5 years, and none of it matches what the Spurs/Curry/several other teams have been doing and what the professional trainer has mentioned above. You seem really egotistical to think that you know better than NBA players and NBA developmental programs. My opinion, on the other hand, is based on what those guys are telling me.

In fact, you yourself, even mentioned that he WAS very likely doing those drills. So even you agree that he should be doing them.

No that's a cop out answer, everyone is entitled to an opinion or at least should be able to give on. It's acting like your opinion is only way & leaving no room for grace, or correction is the problem

Edit - you're advocating for Scottie to train like Steph Curry? You want Scottie Barnes to be doing Steph Curry shooting drills? That makes sense to you?

[TakeYourHeart]

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Chomche ready for any summer league smoke

[RoteSchroder]

No that's a cop out answer, everyone is entitled to an opinion or at least should be able to give on. It's acting like your opinion is only way & leaving no room for grace, or correction is the problem

so you're arguing against yourself here

Posters are commenting on Scottie's training regimen and you're acting like your opinion is the only way, leaving no room for grace or correction.

You are saying we're not allowed to have an opinion because we're not NBA level trainers. You haven't even explained or presented an argument on why Scottie's training regimen is just fine and why we're wrong. Your only point is that we don't have the authority to comment on his training routine.

Edit - you're advocating for Scottie to train like Steph Curry? You want Scottie Barnes to be doing Steph Curry shooting drills? That makes sense to you?

Another major and commonly used straw man fallacy:

This occurs when someone misrepresents or oversimplifies another person's argument to make it easier to attack. Instead of engaging with the actual examples or nuanced argument provided (e.g., multiple credible athletes and trainers using rhythm disruption techniques), the opponent selects an extreme or exaggerated version (e.g., “So you're saying everyone should train like Steph Curry”) and then refutes that instead.

Why It's a Straw Man:

The original argument highlighted a trend or pattern supported by multiple examples.

The rebuttal reframes it as a universal prescription, which is easier to argue against.

This straw man might also carry shades of the false dilemma fallacy, especially if the opponent implies it's either "train like Steph Curry" or "train completely differently," ignoring the broader, nuanced spectrum of approaches.

The underlying narrative from video of what the trainer was saying before was introducing elements that would disrupt his rhythm/balance/timing, as you'll be hard pressed to find comfortable in-game scenarios where you can leisurely step into your own shot at your own pace without any disruption.

You also assured me that every player does these things:

if you don't think every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this then I don't know what to tell you.

[RoteSchroder]

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For reference, both of you appeal to authority and neither of you presented an actual rebuttal or argument other than "we should blindly follow the experts, but not the experts that disagree with our agenda". In fact, both of you refuted yourselves more than you refuted me.

Since you guys live on the principle that experts are always right and that we shouldn't comment on their work, YOU need to abide by it. Not other posters, who may follow different principles.

Me, on the other hand, a literal gift from God, humanity's last hope, and a German basketball legend, Dennis Schroder, would have addressed the narrative by breaking it down to something like:

1. Do numerous basketball players actually train the way the Spurs/Castle and other players did, and in the way b-ball trainer Tyler Leclerc explained?

I'm not so sure, but DreamTeam09 believes every player does it based on his own experiences as a ball boy who rebounded for numerous b-ball players at all levels.

2. Does Scottie train in that manner?

Perhaps, but we have a compilation of about 30+ different shooting drills he's done over the years, including videos of entire workouts and we're 0 for 30+ so far.

3. If he doesn't do these type of exercises, SHOULD he? Is it even necessary?

Given that his improvement rate is a bit lagging, it wouldn't hurt would it? Whether it would actually help might require a deeper analysis, but it seems to me that there are a few professionals who prefer these type of drills.

Now if either of you have something of substance to add to those points, we could actually have a productive conversation and you can join me in the ranks of peak humanity.

[lolwut]

so then you shouldn't be commenting on the opinions of b-ball experts now should you

including myself, an NBA player. You got no credentials.

I have no idea wtf you are talking about Dennis

I was referring to the posters in this thread who seem to think that Scottie isn’t training properly

Please don’t tell me you think the posters in this thread are “bball experts”

the video I posted is literally a professional trainer commenting on Scottie's training routine, who are saying the same thing as the posters in this thread

And I'm a professional NBA player myself (Dennis), so what gives you the authority to attack the posters and rather than breaking down why those posters are wrong.

DreamTeam09 works with NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college players and he claims that "every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this" except for Scottie.

Do people really need to spell it out for you?

The point is that what Scottie posts online is likely not the be all, end all of his training. We don't know what else he is doing or isn't doing. Critiquing specific videos is fine, but assuming what gets posted online is the entirety of his training regimen is a ridiculous position to take.

"His shooting hasn't improved because what he does in this 2-min Youtube clip is not conducive to improving his shooting" is an absurd leap, no?

Siakam improved by leaps and bounds, and he appeared in a bunch of Rico Hines videos. Would you make the same assertion that playing in Rico Hines scrimmages is what turned him into MIP? I mean, that's pretty much all the summer footage we had of him, so that must be the entirety of his regimen.

[RoteSchroder]

I have no idea wtf you are talking about Dennis

I was referring to the posters in this thread who seem to think that Scottie isn’t training properly

Please don’t tell me you think the posters in this thread are “bball experts”

the video I posted is literally a professional trainer commenting on Scottie's training routine, who are saying the same thing as the posters in this thread

And I'm a professional NBA player myself (Dennis), so what gives you the authority to attack the posters and rather than breaking down why those posters are wrong.

DreamTeam09 works with NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college players and he claims that "every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this" except for Scottie.

Do people really need to spell it out for you?

The point is that what Scottie posts online is likely not the be all, end all of his training. We don't know what else he is doing or isn't doing. Critiquing specific videos is fine, but assuming what gets posted online is the entirety of his training regimen is a ridiculous position to take.

Your point has already been addressed. We have 5 years of his videos, including entire work out regimens.

Yes, he may do tons of things that's not posted online, but is a total of 0 out of 30-50 shooting drills shown so far a good ratio?

[DreamTeam09]

No that's a cop out answer, everyone is entitled to an opinion or at least should be able to give on. It's acting like your opinion is only way & leaving no room for grace, or correction is the problem

so you're arguing against yourself here

Posters are commenting on Scottie's training regimen and you're acting like your opinion is the only way, leaving no room for grace or correction.

You are saying we're not allowed to have an opinion because we're not NBA level trainers. You haven't even explained or presented an argument on why Scottie's training regimen is just fine and why we're wrong. Your only point is that we don't have the authority to comment on his training routine.

Edit - you're advocating for Scottie to train like Steph Curry? You want Scottie Barnes to be doing Steph Curry shooting drills? That makes sense to you?

Another major and commonly used straw man fallacy:

This occurs when someone misrepresents or oversimplifies another person's argument to make it easier to attack. Instead of engaging with the actual examples or nuanced argument provided (e.g., multiple credible athletes and trainers using rhythm disruption techniques), the opponent selects an extreme or exaggerated version (e.g., “So you're saying everyone should train like Steph Curry”) and then refutes that instead.

Why It's a Straw Man:

The original argument highlighted a trend or pattern supported by multiple examples.

The rebuttal reframes it as a universal prescription, which is easier to argue against.

This straw man might also carry shades of the false dilemma fallacy, especially if the opponent implies it's either "train like Steph Curry" or "train completely differently," ignoring the broader, nuanced spectrum of approaches.

The underlying narrative from video of what the trainer was saying before was introducing elements that would disrupt his rhythm/balance/timing, as you'll be hard pressed to find comfortable in-game scenarios where you can leisurely step into your own shot at your own pace without any disruption.

You also assured me that every player does these things:

if you don't think every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this then I don't know what to tell you.

At no point am I arguing against myself. Y'all started complaining about Scottie getting up simple catch and shoot 3s,
Every single basketball player in the world is getting up catch and shoot 3s.
Guess what, he's going to get open/wide open catch & shoot 3s opportunity next year
Critiquing a player trainings because you see him on an IG clip of him not going game speed is the leap your getting push back from, and then being critical of him because he's not training like you've seen in other YouTube clips is another leap you're going to get pushback for & rightfully so IMHO. But who am I, in just a ballboy

[RoteSchroder]

I have no idea wtf you are talking about Dennis

I was referring to the posters in this thread who seem to think that Scottie isn’t training properly

Please don’t tell me you think the posters in this thread are “bball experts”

the video I posted is literally a professional trainer commenting on Scottie's training routine, who are saying the same thing as the posters in this thread

And I'm a professional NBA player myself (Dennis), so what gives you the authority to attack the posters and rather than breaking down why those posters are wrong.

DreamTeam09 works with NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college players and he claims that "every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this" except for Scottie.

Do people really need to spell it out for you?

The point is that what Scottie posts online is likely not the be all, end all of his training. We don't know what else he is doing or isn't doing. Critiquing specific videos is fine, but assuming what gets posted online is the entirety of his training regimen is a ridiculous position to take.

"His shooting hasn't improved because what he does in this 2-min Youtube clip is not conducive to improving his shooting" is an absurd leap, no?

Siakam improved by leaps and bounds, and he appeared in a bunch of Rico Hines videos. Would you make the same assertion that playing in Rico Hines scrimmages is what turned him into MIP? I mean, that's pretty much all the summer footage we had of him, so that must be the entirety of his regimen.

About 15 different shooting drills in his one week recap alone, his entire workout routine that got him to the NBA is posted online, along with several other clips over the years.

Just answer the question: is 0 for 50 indicative that he's incorporating these drills into his regular workout routine.

I don't think every player does it like DreamTeam09 says, and I don't even think it's necessary for every player to do it to become good shooters. It's just that given Scottie's struggles, SHOULD he incorporate these drills more.

[RoteSchroder]

At no point am I arguing against myself. Y'all started complaining about Scottie getting up simple catch and shoot 3s,
Every single basketball player in the world is getting up catch and shoot 3s.
Guess what, he's going to get open/wide open catch & shoot 3s opportunity next year
Critiquing a player trainings because you see him on an IG clip of him not going game speed is the leap your getting push back from, and then being critical of him because he's not training like you've seen in other YouTube clips is another leap you're going to get pushback for & rightfully so IMHO. But who am I, in just a ballboy

You think he's only doing catch and shoot 3's? He's doing a ton of off-the-dribble 3's.

It's not my fault you're only watching 5 second clips on IG of catch and shoot 3's and didn't watch his entire workout routine that got him to the NBA. Nor did you watch the recommendations by Tyler Leclerc. Nor did you watch the compilation of a week's worth of 15 different shooting drills.

I can't help you if you close your eyes. If he does incorporate these drills into his regular routine like you say, then I would assume we'd at least see it once out of the 50 or so drills posted online or at least once in his "entire workout regimen" that was posted.

If you're 0 for 5 - that's nothing, but being incorporated into 0 out of 50 drills does NOT seem like disruption is a regularly used tactic. All I want is for you to logically explain to me how 0 for 50 (including his entire work out regimen and week's worth of drills) is an indication that it's regularly being used.

[S.W.A.N]

This has to be one of the dumbest conversations I've seen in a while that I didn't accidently start. peak offseason nonsense...good job boys

[lolwut]

the video I posted is literally a professional trainer commenting on Scottie's training routine, who are saying the same thing as the posters in this thread

And I'm a professional NBA player myself (Dennis), so what gives you the authority to attack the posters and rather than breaking down why those posters are wrong.

DreamTeam09 works with NBA/D1/D2/JUCO/Canadian college players and he claims that "every NBA player is getting shots up exactly like this" except for Scottie.

Do people really need to spell it out for you?

The point is that what Scottie posts online is likely not the be all, end all of his training. We don't know what else he is doing or isn't doing. Critiquing specific videos is fine, but assuming what gets posted online is the entirety of his training regimen is a ridiculous position to take.

"His shooting hasn't improved because what he does in this 2-min Youtube clip is not conducive to improving his shooting" is an absurd leap, no?

Siakam improved by leaps and bounds, and he appeared in a bunch of Rico Hines videos. Would you make the same assertion that playing in Rico Hines scrimmages is what turned him into MIP? I mean, that's pretty much all the summer footage we had of him, so that must be the entirety of his regimen.

About 15 different shooting drills in his one week recap alone, his entire workout routine that got him to the NBA is posted online, along with several other clips over the years.

Just answer the question: is 0 for 50 indicative that he's incorporating these drills into his regular workout routine.

I don't think every player does it like DreamTeam09 says, and I don't even think it's necessary for every player to do it to become good shooters. It's just that given Scottie's struggles, SHOULD he incorporate these drills more.

You're still responding as if what you see online accounts for everything he does. When are you going to get over that logical hump?