2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Los_29]

If we decide to throw in the towel this season,

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9rh47gm

Trade:
FVV

for

D Jones Jr
P Williams
T Brown Jr

We add two young players into our developmental system. The bulls solidify their backcourt. With Ball/Caruso being out for minimum 6-8weeks (maybe longer), this gives them an insane starting backcourt. When Ball is back, they shift FVV to the 2 as an off ball scorer. Lavine is your 3, Demar the 4, Vuc the 5

They'll be really good with FVV, wonder if we can add Boucher to the mix and get a FRP as well.

Something like...

That'd be awesome if we could make that work. We'd add such a crazy infusion of young talent to develop.

Any time we can trade Fred for 4 players that will never be as good as him, you have to jump at it.

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[quoe="Gavin_TDThree"]

They'll be really good with FVV, wonder if we can add Boucher to the mix and get a FRP as well.

Something like...

That'd be awesome if we could make that work. We'd add such a crazy infusion of young talent to develop.

Any time we can trade Fred for 4 players that will never be as good as him, you have to jump at it.[/quote]

Ayo and Patrick Williams could both be better than Fred.

Ayo is shooting over 54% and 45% from 3. Has Fred ever shot over 45% for a season?

[YogurtProducer]

[quoe="Gavin_TDThree"]

They'll be really good with FVV, wonder if we can add Boucher to the mix and get a FRP as well.

Something like...

That'd be awesome if we could make that work. We'd add such a crazy infusion of young talent to develop.

Any time we can trade Fred for 4 players that will never be as good as him, you have to jump at it.

Ayo and Patrick Williams could both be better than Fred.

Ayo is shooting over 54% and 45% from 3. Has Fred ever shot over 45% for a season?[/quote]

Ayo has hit 37 3's in his career

FVV has hit 38 3's since January 9th

C'mon man

[Rapsfan07]

Dragic for Dinwiddie. Hes best as the lead guard of a unit and can do that off our bench

I would do that.

I wouldn't. He's shooting horribly for the year. I feel we could to better with a contract of that size.

[Madhouse]

They'll be really good with FVV, wonder if we can add Boucher to the mix and get a FRP as well.

Something like...

That'd be awesome if we could make that work. We'd add such a crazy infusion of young talent to develop.

Any time we can trade Fred for 4 players that will never be as good as him, you have to jump at it.

That's not how it works lol, nobody knows how these guys will develop. Donsumu and Williams for example are younger right now than Fred was when he entered the NBA and showing more potential than Fred did as a rookie. And besides that, sometimes it's about the sum of parts and they would not even have to be as good as Fred.

[Asif16]

Realistically (both Salary and fit wise)......what are some deals that could potentially be made with Dragic + 1st + Flynn?

I need some names. Like what players come to mind? Who can we get

[Los_29]

That'd be awesome if we could make that work. We'd add such a crazy infusion of young talent to develop.

Any time we can trade Fred for 4 players that will never be as good as him, you have to jump at it.

That's not how it works lol, nobody knows how these guys will develop. Donsumu and Williams for example are younger right now than Fred was when he entered the NBA and showing more potential than Fred did as a rookie. And besides that, sometimes it's about the sum of parts and they would not even have to be as good as Fred.

You know what you have with Fred. He's an all-star caliber player and one of the best point guards in the league. He also happens to be one of the best defensive point guards in the league as well.

It doesn't matter if they've produced more than Fred when Fred was their age. It's about what kind of player they can become. And Ayo isn't projected to be a star in this league which is why he was drafted in the 2nd round (yes I know Fred was undrafted but his kind of development is unprecedented). Patrick Williams was a top 4 pick in a weak draft. Once again, he certainly has potential but what kind of potential? What kind of player do you see him becoming? He still has a ways to go.

You just simply don't trade valuable, all-star caliber players for a bunch of young, unproven players who will likely never be as good as Fred is right now. It's not like Fred is 35 years old. He's 27.

It's a trade that good GM's don't make.

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Any time we can trade Fred for 4 players that will never be as good as him, you have to jump at it.

That's not how it works lol, nobody knows how these guys will develop. Donsumu and Williams for example are younger right now than Fred was when he entered the NBA and showing more potential than Fred did as a rookie. And besides that, sometimes it's about the sum of parts and they would not even have to be as good as Fred.

You know what you have with Fred. He's an all-star caliber player and one of the best point guards in the league. He also happens to be one of the best defensive point guards in the league as well.

It doesn't matter if they've produced more than Fred when Fred was their age. It's about what kind of player they can become. And Ayo isn't projected to be a star in this league which is why he was drafted in the 2nd round (yes I know Fred was undrafted but his kind of development is unprecedented). Patrick Williams was a top 4 pick in a weak draft. Once again, he certainly has potential but what kind of potential? What kind of player do you see him becoming? He still has a ways to go.

You just simply don't trade valuable, all-star caliber players for a bunch of young, unproven players who will likely never be as good as Fred is right now. It's not like Fred is 35 years old. He's 27.

It's a trade that good GM's don't make.

Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis was a good trade, though Oladipo getting hurt made it no that good.

[Los_29]

That's not how it works lol, nobody knows how these guys will develop. Donsumu and Williams for example are younger right now than Fred was when he entered the NBA and showing more potential than Fred did as a rookie. And besides that, sometimes it's about the sum of parts and they would not even have to be as good as Fred.

You know what you have with Fred. He's an all-star caliber player and one of the best point guards in the league. He also happens to be one of the best defensive point guards in the league as well.

It doesn't matter if they've produced more than Fred when Fred was their age. It's about what kind of player they can become. And Ayo isn't projected to be a star in this league which is why he was drafted in the 2nd round (yes I know Fred was undrafted but his kind of development is unprecedented). Patrick Williams was a top 4 pick in a weak draft. Once again, he certainly has potential but what kind of potential? What kind of player do you see him becoming? He still has a ways to go.

You just simply don't trade valuable, all-star caliber players for a bunch of young, unproven players who will likely never be as good as Fred is right now. It's not like Fred is 35 years old. He's 27.

It's a trade that good GM's don't make.

Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis was a good trade, though Oladipo getting hurt made it no that good.

George didn’t re-sign with the Pacers and was dealt with just one year remaining on his deal which made him less valuable given his intentions to play in his hometown of LA.

Even despite all of that, he’s produced significantly more than Sabonis and Oladipo.

And Fred isn’t demanding a trade so we are trading a player at his highest value for a horrendously mediocre group of young players. It’s an absurdly bad trade.

[agkagk]

He will be looking for MLE. Some team will give it to him

Really he’s only worth around 8 the way he’s playing?

His expiring can’t be worth much more the 2 seconds.

Shoot, lock him up.

we really need a legit guard or 3 and D with the MLE imo. what's our cap situation looking like, can we afford Boucher? Unless we make a big move like trading Siakam and move a C into the lineup, I can't see this 3 bigs coming off the bench model going into next season.

Long term he’s probably a redundant luxury.

My thought is, we’re collecting assets, and given his projected dollars; the best way to maximize the asset is to resign him for the short term and when the time is right, he’ll be easy to package out.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Dragic for Dinwiddie. Hes best as the lead guard of a unit and can do that off our bench

I would do that.

I wouldn't. He's shooting horribly for the year. I feel we could to better with a contract of that size.

could be the year, team, comfort level, heirarchy and pressure.

lots of factors that could throw a player off their game.

[RapsAndJays21]

Beal for OG/Dragic/Pick?

IDK.

[douggood]

Tim Hardaway jr broke leg, out almost 3 months; i wonder if there will be renewed interest from mavs for dragic.

[douggood]

I would do that.

I wouldn't. He's shooting horribly for the year. I feel we could to better with a contract of that size.

could be the year, team, comfort level, heirarchy and pressure.

lots of factors that could throw a player off their game.

or dinwidee is what he is, a chucker on a bad team, never had an efficient year shooting.
his name/reputation >> his actual production.

[Rodrickle]

Tim Hardaway jr broke leg, out almost 3 months; i wonder if there will be renewed interest from mavs for dragic.

I Don't think there's a trade to be had with Dallas at this point. Trading Powell (who they love despite his decline) for them now might create another hole. I wouldn't take on Bullock's contract, and we don't need THJ with his contract either. They will probably go for a smaller contract shooter, or wait for a possible Dragic buyout.

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[WaltFrazier]

Every team we play seems to have young bench guards or wings who drain threes on us. Some must be inexpensive. Can't we get one

[Zeno]

Tim Hardaway jr broke leg, out almost 3 months; i wonder if there will be renewed interest from mavs for dragic.

I Don't think there's a trade to be had with Dallas at this point. Trading Powell (who they love despite his decline) for them now might create another hole. I wouldn't take on Bullock's contract, and we don't need THJ with his contract either. They will probably go for a smaller contract shooter, or wait for a possible Dragic buyout.

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I'm not sure either but they need to create some space with expirings to make room to resign Brunson and Finney-Smith. They will be way over the tax otherwise.

They have a sizeable trade exception so maybe there is something they can do like this.

Trade Birch into their TPE for 2nd rounder.
Trade Dragic, Svi for Powell, Josh Green, Frank Ntilikina.

They'd be opening more money under the tax for next year. About 10 million. Birch and Powell are probably equivalent quality. Dragic and Svi is probably better than Green and Frankie for this year.

Raptors benefit is a nice amount under the tax this year and the ability to use the open roster spot. Powell expires a year sooner than Birch and is not a real downgrade. Is Josh Green and a 2nd worth lost flexibility under the tax of about 10 million next year? Guess it depends on how much you like Josh Green. Also have a TPE of 6.3 from Birch created.

[Zeno]

Dragic, Boucher, Trent and a protected 1st for Porzingas actually works in the checker....
Would either team even consider this?

Fred
OG
Barnes
Pascal
Porzingas

[LoveMyRaps]

Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for Eric Gordon

Would be a great deal for the Raptors. Gordon who's on a 3yr deal (18mil AAV) would be a tremendous fit on this squad.

[douggood]

Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for Eric Gordon

Would be a great deal for the Raptors. Gordon who's on a 3yr deal (18mil AAV) would be a tremendous fit on this squad.

$19.6 and $21 for next 2 years
a 1st is too much for a 33 year sg who doest really stay healthy.