Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[docholliday99]

Does Dame even make sense on the Raps though?

He is making $46M, $49M, $59M & $63M over the next 4 years

Pascal would be looking at an extension of $192M over 4 years, at best (averaging almost $50M per year).

Barnes' extension will probably be the max, which will average like $40M per year, starting in 2025-26.

3 years from now they would be paying $60M to Dame, $50M+ to Pascal and about $40M to Barnes. $150M on 3 players, one of which will have probably aged out by then (Dame).

Lillard to TOR is a bad idea for both sides.

I hate this idea...an above average starting 5 in the East is debatable but penciling in Gradey, Jalen, Koloko, Precious as the bench just looks awful. Koloko looks raw still, Dick has to get some weight and strength and doesn't look ready, McDaniels is a 3rd and occasional 2nd stringer, so many issues besides the cap issues.

[Raptors Realtor]

Does Dame even make sense on the Raps though?

He is making $46M, $49M, $59M & $63M over the next 4 years

Pascal would be looking at an extension of $192M over 4 years, at best (averaging almost $50M per year).

Barnes' extension will probably be the max, which will average like $40M per year, starting in 2025-26.

3 years from now they would be paying $60M to Dame, $50M+ to Pascal and about $40M to Barnes. $150M on 3 players, one of which will have probably aged out by then (Dame).

Lillard to TOR is a bad idea for both sides.

[OakleyDokely]

In general, get star talent and worry about the bench later. It's a lot harder to get legit allstars than it is to get 6th, 7th, 8th man types.

[JB7]

In general, get star talent and worry about the bench later. It's a lot harder to get legit allstars than it is to get 6th, 7th, 8th man types.

I would generally agree, but when that star is 33 yrs old, with 4 years remaining on his contract (of which he might be star level for only 2 of those years), the surrounding pieces in the short term matter.

Perfect example is the Suns. Star heavy going into this past playoffs, but nothing surrounding the stars ultimately meant they couldn't get past the 2nd round.

[OakleyDokely]

In general, get star talent and worry about the bench later. It's a lot harder to get legit allstars than it is to get 6th, 7th, 8th man types.

I would generally agree, but when that star is 33 yrs old, with 4 years remaining on his contract (of which he might be star level for only 2 of those years), the surrounding pieces in the short term matter.

Perfect example is the Suns. Star heavy going into this past playoffs, but nothing surrounding the stars ultimately meant they couldn't get past the 2nd round.

I think you need 7 key guys in the playoffs, your starters + two reliable bench players. If we look back at the title team, it was mostly 7 guys who played big minutes, sometimes just 6. it was basically the starters plus VV/Ibaka with Powell's role becoming inconsistent after round 1.

If you have a chance to add Lillard at a reasonable price, you do it and worry about filling in the bench pieces by the deadline.

[wegotthabeet]

Does Dame even make sense on the Raps though?

He is making $46M, $49M, $59M & $63M over the next 4 years

Pascal would be looking at an extension of $192M over 4 years, at best (averaging almost $50M per year).

Barnes' extension will probably be the max, which will average like $40M per year, starting in 2025-26.

3 years from now they would be paying $60M to Dame, $50M+ to Pascal and about $40M to Barnes. $150M on 3 players, one of which will have probably aged out by then (Dame).

Lillard to TOR is a bad idea for both sides.

what does a good Lillard trade idea look like for both sides? what teams aside from Miami make sense?

[JRoy]

Does Dame even make sense on the Raps though?

He is making $46M, $49M, $59M & $63M over the next 4 years

Pascal would be looking at an extension of $192M over 4 years, at best (averaging almost $50M per year).

Barnes' extension will probably be the max, which will average like $40M per year, starting in 2025-26.

3 years from now they would be paying $60M to Dame, $50M+ to Pascal and about $40M to Barnes. $150M on 3 players, one of which will have probably aged out by then (Dame).

Lillard to TOR is a bad idea for both sides.

what does a good Lillard trade idea look like for both sides? what teams aside from Miami make sense?

Teams that want/need to compete for a title. A number of those teams have no desirable assets or POR won’t trade with them at all (LAL).

Aside from those, possibly NOH, MIL, BKN, DEN. Less likely but possible.

[JB7]

Lillard to TOR is a bad idea for both sides.

what does a good Lillard trade idea look like for both sides? what teams aside from Miami make sense?

Teams that want/need to compete for a title. A number of those teams have no desirable assets or POR won’t trade with them at all (LAL).

Aside from those, possibly NOH, MIL, BKN, DEN. Less likely but possible.

Nets make most sense after the Heat. They have no reason to lose, considering they don't control their own picks. They wouldn't be a contender, but Dame would at least keep them as a middle of the pack team.

[Merit]

In general, get star talent and worry about the bench later. It's a lot harder to get legit allstars than it is to get 6th, 7th, 8th man types.

I would generally agree, but when that star is 33 yrs old, with 4 years remaining on his contract (of which he might be star level for only 2 of those years), the surrounding pieces in the short term matter.

Perfect example is the Suns. Star heavy going into this past playoffs, but nothing surrounding the stars ultimately meant they couldn't get past the 2nd round.

I think you need 7 key guys in the playoffs, your starters + two reliable bench players. If we look back at the title team, it was mostly 7 guys who played big minutes, sometimes just 6. it was basically the starters plus VV/Ibaka with Powell's role becoming inconsistent after round 1.

If you have a chance to add Lillard at a reasonable price, you do it and worry about filling in the bench pieces by the deadline.

I still think that both Harden and Lillard get traded for less than we imagine.

I for one would love to see James Harden f with white Vegas, especially at the expense of Nick Nurse. He’d also be great on the Raps and his contract wouldn’t last as long as Dame’s. The primary issue would be that he has proven to be a cancer wherever he’s gone. Somehow I feel that Masai could shepherd him more effectively than Morey, especially given our skills developed when handling Kawhi.

[Merit]

Harden to the Raps means we can see a Harden/Dick combo. Just saying.

[deeps6x]

In general, get star talent and worry about the bench later. It's a lot harder to get legit allstars than it is to get 6th, 7th, 8th man types.

I would generally agree, but when that star is 33 yrs old, with 4 years remaining on his contract (of which he might be star level for only 2 of those years), the surrounding pieces in the short term matter.

Perfect example is the Suns. Star heavy going into this past playoffs, but nothing surrounding the stars ultimately meant they couldn't get past the 2nd round.

I think you need 7 key guys in the playoffs, your starters + two reliable bench players. If we look back at the title team, it was mostly 7 guys who played big minutes, sometimes just 6. it was basically the starters plus VV/Ibaka with Powell's role becoming inconsistent after round 1.

If you have a chance to add Lillard at a reasonable price, you do it and worry about filling in the bench pieces by the deadline.

Out of curiosity about this, I checked the Denver Nuggets players minutes for the finals, just to see how many players were getting major minutes. It was kind of a wedge distribution, with Jamal Murry getting the most, at 42.3 mpg, and dropping off down to Brown, as the sixth most used player, at 26.9 mpg. Then a drop off for 7 and 8, but those two got a fair number of minutes as well. One could argue six players got 85% of the minutes. 8 players got 97% of the minutes. So yeah, you don't need much of a bench.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-denver-nuggets-player-played-the-most-minutes-per-game-in-the-nba-finals-2023

[WaltFrazier]

I would generally agree, but when that star is 33 yrs old, with 4 years remaining on his contract (of which he might be star level for only 2 of those years), the surrounding pieces in the short term matter.

Perfect example is the Suns. Star heavy going into this past playoffs, but nothing surrounding the stars ultimately meant they couldn't get past the 2nd round.

I think you need 7 key guys in the playoffs, your starters + two reliable bench players. If we look back at the title team, it was mostly 7 guys who played big minutes, sometimes just 6. it was basically the starters plus VV/Ibaka with Powell's role becoming inconsistent after round 1.

If you have a chance to add Lillard at a reasonable price, you do it and worry about filling in the bench pieces by the deadline.

Out of curiosity about this, I checked the Denver Nuggets players minutes for the finals, just to see how many players were getting major minutes. It was kind of a wedge distribution, with Jamal Murry getting the most, at 42.3 mpg, and dropping off down to Brown, as the sixth most used player, at 26.9 mpg. Then a drop off for 7 and 8, but those two got a fair number of minutes as well. One could argue six players got 85% of the minutes. 8 players got 97% of the minutes. So yeah, you don't need much of a bench.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-denver-nuggets-player-played-the-most-minutes-per-game-in-the-nba-finals-2023

I feel like you need the bench for the long regular season, but in the playoffs and especially Finals you can shorten the bench as Denver did. I wonder if their regular season minutes distribution is a lot more spread out.

[OakleyDokely]

I think you need 7 key guys in the playoffs, your starters + two reliable bench players. If we look back at the title team, it was mostly 7 guys who played big minutes, sometimes just 6. it was basically the starters plus VV/Ibaka with Powell's role becoming inconsistent after round 1.

If you have a chance to add Lillard at a reasonable price, you do it and worry about filling in the bench pieces by the deadline.

Out of curiosity about this, I checked the Denver Nuggets players minutes for the finals, just to see how many players were getting major minutes. It was kind of a wedge distribution, with Jamal Murry getting the most, at 42.3 mpg, and dropping off down to Brown, as the sixth most used player, at 26.9 mpg. Then a drop off for 7 and 8, but those two got a fair number of minutes as well. One could argue six players got 85% of the minutes. 8 players got 97% of the minutes. So yeah, you don't need much of a bench.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-denver-nuggets-player-played-the-most-minutes-per-game-in-the-nba-finals-2023

I feel like you need the bench for the long regular season, but in the playoffs and especially Finals you can shorten the bench as Denver did. I wonder if their regular season minutes distribution is a lot more spread out.

depth wins you regular season games, stars win you playoff games.

[DreamTeam09]

Out of curiosity about this, I checked the Denver Nuggets players minutes for the finals, just to see how many players were getting major minutes. It was kind of a wedge distribution, with Jamal Murry getting the most, at 42.3 mpg, and dropping off down to Brown, as the sixth most used player, at 26.9 mpg. Then a drop off for 7 and 8, but those two got a fair number of minutes as well. One could argue six players got 85% of the minutes. 8 players got 97% of the minutes. So yeah, you don't need much of a bench.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-denver-nuggets-player-played-the-most-minutes-per-game-in-the-nba-finals-2023

I feel like you need the bench for the long regular season, but in the playoffs and especially Finals you can shorten the bench as Denver did. I wonder if their regular season minutes distribution is a lot more spread out.

depth wins you regular season games, stars win you playoff games.

Listen these one liners are never correct, it just leaves out too much context. It's a mixture of both everytime. In this case it's depth and star(s) that makes a championship squad. You need to be both good defensively and offensively

Bruce Brown AG Christian Braun stole playoff games and quarters and halfs along their way to a championship last year, Caleb Martin is the definition of role player playing like a star,

[OakleyDokely]

I feel like you need the bench for the long regular season, but in the playoffs and especially Finals you can shorten the bench as Denver did. I wonder if their regular season minutes distribution is a lot more spread out.

depth wins you regular season games, stars win you playoff games.

Listen these one liners are never correct, it just leaves out too much context. It's a mixture of both everytime. In this case it's depth and star(s) that makes a championship squad. You need to be both good defensively and offensively

Bruce Brown AG Christian Braun stole playoff games and quarters and halfs along their way to a championship last year, Caleb Martin is the definition of role player playing like a star,

Im just saying, depth is a lot more important in the regular season than it is in the playoffs.

[Michael Jordan]

At this point the Blazers might wanna just convince him to stay and gun for a play-in spot

[TGM]

In general, get star talent and worry about the bench later. It's a lot harder to get legit allstars than it is to get 6th, 7th, 8th man types.

Can’t agree more. People are too obsessed with young talent thinking they all bud into superstars. Lillard can still play at a high level for a while. If you can get him, you trade for him.

[Pointgod]

what does a good Lillard trade idea look like for both sides? what teams aside from Miami make sense?

Teams that want/need to compete for a title. A number of those teams have no desirable assets or POR won’t trade with them at all (LAL).

Aside from those, possibly NOH, MIL, BKN, DEN. Less likely but possible.

Nets make most sense after the Heat. They have no reason to lose, considering they don't control their own picks. They wouldn't be a contender, but Dame would at least keep them as a middle of the pack team.

Mil and Den have even less assets to trade than the Heat. The Nets almost have to add Simmons for salary matching purposes and I don’t think anyone in Portland sees Simmons as a positive outside of Jroy. And like you said for the Nets it doesn’t make them a contender and those two last years of Dame’s contract will be uuuuuggglyyyy. Miami has the best offer of the contenders and I believe the Trailblazers are just butthurt and refuse to engage.

[InfraRedshaw]

wanna know whats crazy? the raps board Dame trade thread is larger than the Dame trade thread on the blazers board, wild stuff, I see why a certain someone stays engaging out chere

[JRoy]

wanna know whats crazy? the raps board Dame trade thread is larger than the Dame trade thread on the blazers board, wild stuff, I see why a certain someone stays engaging out chere

This is a great board.