Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[ItsDanger]

BI is not a fun player to watch. He was always going to be a stopgap solution. We need an actual 1A scorer. How we acquire him, I don't know.

Through the draft. Fast tracking the rebuild results in this situation. We never even a got 1 top tier talent in the draft. CMB looks like a solid player but he doesn't bring enough to the table.

[Kingsway_fan]

BI is not a fun player to watch. He was always going to be a stopgap solution. We need an actual 1A scorer. How we acquire him, I don't know.

Through the draft. Fast tracking the rebuild results in this situation. We never even a got 1 top tier talent in the draft. CMB looks like a solid player but he doesn't bring enough to the table.

Not possible unless shrewd acquisitions of future picks from likely very poor teams happens ... like what Atlanta just did with QUEEN... RAPTORS won't be a bottom 5 team anytime soon, imo, or massive luck like Dallas getting #1 pick... odds extremely low. RAPS management won't tank like Washington...

[Raps in 4]

BI is not a fun player to watch. He was always going to be a stopgap solution. We need an actual 1A scorer. How we acquire him, I don't know.

Through the draft. Fast tracking the rebuild results in this situation. We never even a got 1 top tier talent in the draft. CMB looks like a solid player but he doesn't bring enough to the table.

Not possible unless shrewd acquisitions of future picks from likely very poor teams happens ... like what Atlanta just did with QUEEN... RAPTORS won't be a bottom 5 team anytime soon, imo, or massive luck like Dallas getting #1 pick... odds extremely low. RAPS management won't tank like Washington...

I'm sure we'd "luck" into the #1 pick as well if we sent Barnes to the Lakers for a bag of chips. But dumping Barnes isn't the answer. We want to pair a star with him.

I think it's possible to land a disgruntled star by trading a treasure trove of future picks (we own all our picks moving forward) + a prospect like CMB. There isn't really anyone available right now though.

Alternatively, we could go after a prospect a team has given up on (like Portland trading for Avdija or Indy trading for Hali), but that requires management to be on top of their game (which they haven't been for a while).

[LLJ]

BI's value is top 15 in the league ISO ability which this team definitely needed and he's not horrible on defense. So I'm glad to have him and he definitely makes things easier for our guys, but if there are better ISO guys out there available you'd definitely have to take a look. It's a damn shame we couldn't have gotten Donovan Mitchell when he was being traded a few years ago.

But people have been way overjumping the gun anointing him as Our New Top Guy a few games ago. By most statistical metrics both advanced and otherwise, Barnes is very clearly still our best player.

[tsherkin]

But people have been way overjumping the gun anointing him as Our New Top Guy a few games ago. By most statistical metrics both advanced and otherwise, Barnes is very clearly still our best player.

I think the thing to look at is how that happens. We knew about Barnes' D, rebounding and his passing, but his offense is primarily unlocked by what BI lets him do role-wise as a scorer (and also by adding another option to whom Scottie can pass). Barnes wouldn't likely look this way without BI (and Quick, of course, and RJ when he was here).

But I think we probably shouldn't get too wrapped up in who is our best player, because we need all of them clicking to unlock each of their best, so they're rather co-dependent, I'd say. More ensemble than focal star.

[LoveMyRaps]

Package him for Giannis

[Thaddy]

Ingram isn't a good first option. I thought that was his main selling point? I feel like Siakam would look better in that role, it felt like a step back in terms of the trade.

[bape_lovers]

Look at pascal’s team, look our team. How can you pascal’s number 1 option, when his team is near bottom

Ingram isn't a good first option. I thought that was his main selling point? I feel like Siakam would look better in that role, it felt like a step back in terms of the trade.

[anotherhomer]

Look at pascal’s team, look our team. How can you pascal’s number 1 option, when his team is near bottom

Ingram isn't a good first option. I thought that was his main selling point? I feel like Siakam would look better in that role, it felt like a step back in terms of the trade.

Thaddy, I understand you strongly believe we should have kept Pascal over Ingram, but I am sorry, will need to disagree.

There's way too much overlap between Pascal and Barnes, in how they score and operate.

As much we hate Ingram for how flawed he is or he's another Rudy Gay or Derozan, Ingram remains the raptors best scoring threat in the half-court, with the best mid-ranger. That's much needed in the regular season.

Despite a poor 10/23 game, Ingram gave the team 20/7/7.

Ingram is very important to Raps becoming back a respectable team, and let's be happy for that

[anotherhomer]

But people have been way overjumping the gun anointing him as Our New Top Guy a few games ago. By most statistical metrics both advanced and otherwise, Barnes is very clearly still our best player.

I think the thing to look at is how that happens. We knew about Barnes' D, rebounding and his passing, but his offense is primarily unlocked by what BI lets him do role-wise as a scorer (and also by adding another option to whom Scottie can pass). Barnes wouldn't likely look this way without BI (and Quick, of course, and RJ when he was here).

But I think we probably shouldn't get too wrapped up in who is our best player, because we need all of them clicking to unlock each of their best, so they're rather co-dependent, I'd say. More ensemble than focal star.

as soon as Ingram's traded along with RJ, you'll see Barnes with those 5/17 nights, because he can't score if he's in the opponent's gameplan.

[Thaddy]

Look at pascal’s team, look our team. How can you pascal’s number 1 option, when his team is near bottom

Ingram isn't a good first option. I thought that was his main selling point? I feel like Siakam would look better in that role, it felt like a step back in terms of the trade.

Thaddy, I understand you strongly believe we should have kept Pascal over Ingram, but I am sorry, will need to disagree.

There's way too much overlap between Pascal and Barnes, in how they score and operate.

As much we hate Ingram for how flawed he is or he's another Rudy Gay or Derozan, Ingram remains the raptors best scoring threat in the half-court, with the best mid-ranger. That's much needed in the regular season.

Despite a poor 10/23 game, Ingram gave the team 20/7/7.

Ingram is very important to Raps becoming back a respectable team, and let's be happy for that

If he can't hit threes then he isn't a positive on the floor. He was supposed to be better than Siakam there, but it's a quarter way through the season and he's doing terribly.

[PushDaRock]

Ingram isn't a good first option. I thought that was his main selling point? I feel like Siakam would look better in that role, it felt like a step back in terms of the trade.

A "good" 1st option is an All-NBA level player.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

It’s all due to conditioning. He needs load management I guess

[Tha Cynic]

Needs to move the ball quicker on those doubles. He holds onto it for way too long and kills way too much clock. He’s not a good enough player to be doing that.

I do notice he was passing a lot more this game like it was emphasized, so I think you’ll see him get better overall at end of game situations as the season goes on.

[Appostis]

It's an adjustment period.

Not having RJ puts more pressure and Barnes is hard wired to pass.

Bi needs to delegate and Svotty needs to step up

[anotherhomer]

i just feel like we being too critical of Brandon Ingram but i guess heck, Laker fans even criticize Luka

that said, for all his flaws, BI brings a lot to the table, even scoring 20/7/7 in a bad game.

[Raps in 4]

i just feel like we being too critical of Brandon Ingram but i guess heck, Laker fans even criticize Luka

that said, for all his flaws, BI brings a lot to the table, even scoring 20/7/7 in a bad game.

20 points on 23 shots did not help us lol.

[PushDaRock]

i just feel like we being too critical of Brandon Ingram but i guess heck, Laker fans even criticize Luka

that said, for all his flaws, BI brings a lot to the table, even scoring 20/7/7 in a bad game.

I expect him to come out of this mini slump soon but he's been awful these last 4 games.

[Westside Gunn]

0 FTs this game.

While you can't even sneeze on Avdija, everytime someone looked his direction he looked towards the refs looking for a foul. That will be a key piece of the game he will have to develop.

The league probably wants Webster to submit a form so they can put the refs on notice after it gets approved by their marketing department. BI getting 6-7 whistles a game is definitely good for the NBA

What a **** league with **** officiating.

[Thaddy]

The 3pt shooting from Ingram is the primary issue as of now. No one expected him to be this bad from deep range.

They need to start resting him as we are with Poeltl. This should give our young guys an opportunity to step up.