Official Scottie Barnes Thread

OakleyDokely · Post #1501 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:11 pm

The thing with Scottie's defense is that he's guarding multiple spots against the very best players in the league. They aren't sheltering him or giving him the easy assignments. He's guarding the KDs, Tatums, Middletons of the league.

They could give him easier defensive assignments, maybe that boosts his defensive numbers, but this year isn't about winning an award, it's about developing him into a great player. So far, so good.

Son Goku 25 · Post #1502 » by **Son Goku 25** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:13 pm

It would be a shame if the league shuts down man, I'd be pretty upset not having to see his development but I get it for the betterment of everyone.

vulture · Post #1503 » by **vulture** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:42 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:It would be a shame if the league shuts down man, I'd be pretty upset not having to see his development but I get it for the betterment of everyone.

Is this actually being talked about?

alienchild · Post #1504 » by **alienchild** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:43 pm

Don't think this has been posted yet, it's from early in the season, but it's Coach Thorpe on a podcast.

Watch on YouTube

the_flash__ · Post #1505 » by **the_flash__** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:49 pm

Reeko wrote:
Madhouse wrote:He is coming for that Mobley pack.

Read on Twitter
?s=20

Damn, look at where our boy Suggs is. We would all be having a meltdown of epic proportions if we had drafted him, like 95% of us wanted.

How many Masai is a fraud threads would we have if Raptors had drafted Suggs? Meaning Scottie was still on the board and would be doing this for another team in the NBA

Madhouse · Post #1506 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:10 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
vulture wrote:
He's finally become a positive impact defensively.

don't think he has actually yet, at least not according to TPA.

His offense is just much better than from any other rookie.

In recent games he has been a positive defensively. Only reason the TPA doesn’t reflect that is cause it’s being weighed down by the earlier games

If he continues the way he’s been recently, the TPA will eventually reflect it too

I have no doubt that it will be.

Madhouse · Post #1507 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:31 pm

the_flash__ wrote:
Reeko wrote:
Madhouse wrote:He is coming for that Mobley pack.

Read on Twitter
?s=20

Damn, look at where our boy Suggs is. We would all be having a meltdown of epic proportions if we had drafted him, like 95% of us wanted.

How many Masai is a fraud threads would we have if Raptors had drafted Suggs? Meaning Scottie was still on the board and would be doing this for another team in the NBA

many because it's all result orientated. How Masai got to Barnes, why he drafted him or how actually he viewed him pre draft doesn't matter now.

There could have been no bad signs with Suggs and it wouldn't matter if he is a bust.

Masai is a very good GM but some things are just out of anyone's control or knowledge. The Rockets probably also already have buyers remorse passing on Mobley and Barnes.

everdiso · Post #1508 » by **everdiso** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:32 pm

DG88 wrote:
Madhouse wrote:He is coming for that Mobley pack.

Read on Twitter
?s=20

Essentially Scottie is as good as Mobley

Likely better - Mobley is getting much more sheltered offensively with much less responsibility and much more opportunity to be efficient on that end.

Son Goku 25 · Post #1509 » by **Son Goku 25** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:35 pm

vulture wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:It would be a shame if the league shuts down man, I'd be pretty upset not having to see his development but I get it for the betterment of everyone.

Is this actually being talked about?

Tbh, other leagues are looking into it and at this rate you never know with the cases going up like crazy. It wouldn't surprise me if it goes either way, lockout or not.

Madhouse · Post #1510 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:36 pm

vulture wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:It would be a shame if the league shuts down man, I'd be pretty upset not having to see his development but I get it for the betterment of everyone.

Is this actually being talked about?

Not really. If it does happen, Barnes would lock himself up in a gym.

Young Moosehead · Post #1511 » by **Young Moosehead** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:46 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The thing with Scottie's defense is that he's guarding multiple spots against the very best players in the league. They aren't sheltering him or giving him the easy assignments. He's guarding the KDs, Tatums, Middletons of the league.

They could give him easier defensive assignments, maybe that boosts his defensive numbers, but this year isn't about winning an award, it's about developing him into a great player. So far, so good.

Exactly. He chooses to go after the best offensive players defensively. If he was capable of putting up stellar defensive numbers with the covers he takes, then he would be in the DPOY conversation.

I also liked seeing him go at Durant and other good offensive players when he is covering them. Tire them out on D, maybe get them in foul trouble(Refs wouldn't do KD like that, but other players). Another smart thing Scottie does.

Arman_tanzarian · Post #1512 » by **Arman_tanzarian** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:31 pm

Madhouse wrote:
vulture wrote:
Madhouse wrote:He is coming for that Mobley pack.

Read on Twitter
?s=20

He's finally become a positive impact defensively.

don't think he has actually yet, at least not according to TPA.

His offense is just much better than from any other rookie.

Lol TPA is terrible..the defensive aspect of it is just an variation of an extrapolated DBPM stat. This is why TPA generally has guys like WB showing better defense than guys like Thybulle..

DBPM is okay to look at sometimes, but it will never tell you the full story and will be super box score biased.

It's very hard to measure rookies empirically unless they are rim protecting bigs. Scottie is a bit of everything right now on the defensive end.

TNRaps4life · Post #1513 » by **TNRaps4life** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:51 pm

Watch on YouTube

libertyYYZ · Post #1514 » by **libertyYYZ** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:23 am

Saw him play live last Monday. He's so confident and composed. With good habits, he can be a top-10 player with his size and skillset.

OTOH, Champagnie and Banton were unfocused and looking like a couple of teenage smatasses during warmups. They were engaged when their numbers were called.

Post #1515 » by **Reeko** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:10 am

I'm honestly curious to see what the Raptors big board looked like heading into the draft. Would anyone be surprised if it was:
1. Evan Mobley
2. Scottie Barnes
3. Cade Cunningham
4. Josh Giddey
5. Franz Wagner
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Green
8. Jalen Suggs

We'll likely never know, but I'm always curious.

alevirfe · Post #1516 » by **alevirfe** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:47 am

Reeko wrote:I'm honestly curious to see what the Raptors big board looked like heading into the draft. Would anyone be surprised if it was:
1. Evan Mobley
2. Scottie Barnes
3. Cade Cunningham
4. Josh Giddey
5. Franz Wagner
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Green
8. Jalen Suggs

We'll likely never know, but I'm always curious.

it was reported and clear the Raps were high on Mobley at #4, but that was when it was already known Detroit was taking Cade #1. it wouldn't shock me if we had Cade #1 or #2 ahead of Scottie, though Masai does tend to draft length/projects

I think your list is giving Masai a little too much credit as it's basically the correct order a few months into the season. all we know for sure is they were right on Scottie/Mobley

would love to know who the Raps wouldve taken if Scottie was off the board as Green doesn't really fit the Raps prototype. can you imagine what would've happened to this forum if we passed on Suggs AND Green for someone like Kuminga? :lol:

Post #1517 » by **Reeko** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:04 am

alevirfe wrote:
Reeko wrote:I'm honestly curious to see what the Raptors big board looked like heading into the draft. Would anyone be surprised if it was:
1. Evan Mobley
2. Scottie Barnes
3. Cade Cunningham
4. Josh Giddey
5. Franz Wagner
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Green
8. Jalen Suggs

We'll likely never know, but I'm always curious.

it was reported and clear the Raps were high on Mobley at #4, but that was when it was already known Detroit was taking Cade #1. it wouldn't shock me if we had Cade #1 or #2 ahead of Scottie, though Masai does tend to draft length/projects

I think your list is giving Masai a little too much credit as it's basically the correct order a few months into the season. all we know for sure is they were right on Scottie/Mobley

would love to know who the Raps wouldve taken if Scottie was off the board as Green doesn't really fit the Raps prototype. can you imagine what would've happened to this forum if we passed on Suggs AND Green for someone like Kuminga?

Well at this point you could make a pretty strong case for Wagner over Giddey and Cade, but yeah I see where you're coming from. We know that Thorpe had it Mobley #1 and Scottie #2, so I wouldn't be surprised if our FO had it the same. We know that they were actively scouting Giddey, so I don't think it's a reach to say that he was likely in their top 5. I think there's a good chance that if we were picking 5th (I know we couldn't have) that we would have taken Giddey over Suggs if they were both still on the board.

alevirfe · Post #1518 » by **alevirfe** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:20 am

Reeko wrote:
alevirfe wrote:
Reeko wrote:I'm honestly curious to see what the Raptors big board looked like heading into the draft. Would anyone be surprised if it was:
1. Evan Mobley
2. Scottie Barnes
3. Cade Cunningham
4. Josh Giddey
5. Franz Wagner
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Green
8. Jalen Suggs

We'll likely never know, but I'm always curious.

it was reported and clear the Raps were high on Mobley at #4, but that was when it was already known Detroit was taking Cade #1. it wouldn't shock me if we had Cade #1 or #2 ahead of Scottie, though Masai does tend to draft length/projects

I think your list is giving Masai a little too much credit as it's basically the correct order a few months into the season. all we know for sure is they were right on Scottie/Mobley

would love to know who the Raps wouldve taken if Scottie was off the board as Green doesn't really fit the Raps prototype. can you imagine what would've happened to this forum if we passed on Suggs AND Green for someone like Kuminga?

Well at this point you could make a pretty strong case for Wagner over Giddey and Cade, but yeah I see where you're coming from. We know that Thorpe had it Mobley #1 and Scottie #2, so I wouldn't be surprised if our FO had it the same. We know that they were actively scouting Giddey, so I don't think it's a reach to say that he was likely in their top 5. I think there's a good chance that if we were picking 5th (I know we couldn't have) that we would have taken Giddey over Suggs if they were both still on the board.

yea I think youre right. there were rumours the Raps werent high on Suggs to begin with and Im not surprised. he doesnt really sync up with what we know the Raps value (no knock on Suggs)

as much as the Raps always make the "sexy" pick and dont always align with the media draft boards, I still think someone like Cade would be high on their board. and yea in the end I agree that we probably still had Mobley/Scottie ahead of him

what a blessing & crazy chain of events that led to Scottie being a Raptor. the injuries last year, Tampa, Masai sitting out Kyle, lucking out in the lottery. the last time something like this happened we got Poetle. its crazy what a difference a deep draft class can make in a teams trajectory

everdiso · Post #1519 » by **everdiso** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:30 am

Wouldn't be surprised if they had scottie ranked ahead of Mobley, thanks to Scottie having primary ballhandler skills. Too much 2-way upside with scottie.

God Squad · Post #1520 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:00 am

everdiso wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if they had scottie ranked ahead of Mobley, thanks to Scottie having primary ballhandler skills. Too much 2-way upside with scottie.

Doubt it. Mobley fit like a glove and his transition from College to the NBA was seamless. Everyone in TwO/draft circles knew he was going to be great and arguably had the highest ceiling. It's just no one thought he'd show out this way in year one. But Scottie has been the biggest surprise out of the draft. No one saw this coming, not even Masai I don't think.

Scottie is an anomaly of sorts.