Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[TRik]

Why wouldn't Fred thrive?

He thrived in the Finals behind Kawhi, Siakam, and Lowry.

He was younger then and hadn’t been handed the reigns, been allowed to be ball dominant, or named an all star.

When I watch him I see someone that will want to continue being ‘the guy’. Again, if you see something differently and disagree then that’s totally cool.

[Los_29]

This one might top your "Fred doesn't hype his teammates up enough when he's on the bench so he's not a true leader" take. A handful of subpar defensive games when we know he is dealing with a knee injury shouldn't supplant the other 350+ games of data where FVV has been a very good to elite defender lol.

FVV would absolutely thrive in an environment where Scottie (and Siakam) are leading the team though. He is 43% on C&S threes for his career and shooting 45% on almost 5 attempts per game this season. He has literally been one of the best C&S guys in the entire league ever since he entered the league. For all of the flack FVV gets for over dribbling and not being a true PG, he would be an excellent tertiary option too. He is top 15 in assists, secondary assists and potential assists while he is also just outside of the top 20 in drives per game and sets up a reasonable amount of offence from his penetration. He has a pretty average USG% and touch/pass rate for a PG, so it's not like he's just wasting possession whenever the ball is in his hands either.

I'm pretty sure 90% of this board would agree that Scottie taking the reins and becoming the offensive hub with Siakam as the #2 and FVV+GTJ+OG as release valves is a best-case scenario for the future of the team.

Ok so we hold different options about whether Fred would thrive. That’s ok. Totally fair that you also defend Fred’s defence to his knee.

Cheers.

How would you be capable of assessing anything? When the raps employ a lock and trail....you don't even know they are allowing guards to penetrate on purpose. You don't even know what you are watching.

You are calling one the league's best defensive players a pylon. You are ignorant. One who makes judgements about something you don't know anything about.

I don’t think he’s looking to have a productive discussion when he refers to Freddy as Freddy Pylon. That shows he’s incapable of being objective.

I’ve said it before but people have to put their feelings aside when assessing players.

Childish insults like Freddy Pylon are always going to discredit what a person is trying to say.

[everdiso]

Why wouldn't Fred thrive?

He thrived in the Finals behind Kawhi, Siakam, and Lowry.

He was younger then and hadn’t been handed the reigns, been allowed to be ball dominant, or named an all star.

When I watch him I see someone that will want to continue being ‘the guy’. Again, if you see something differently and disagree then that’s totally cool.

But he doesn't even play like the GUY now. Only 17fga per game. That's not THE GUY.

[TheBunk]

My guess is that you won’t see the Fred Trent backcourt return. Which one is traded, I don’t know.

[TRik]

Why wouldn't Fred thrive?

He thrived in the Finals behind Kawhi, Siakam, and Lowry.

He was younger then and hadn’t been handed the reigns, been allowed to be ball dominant, or named an all star.

When I watch him I see someone that will want to continue being ‘the guy’. Again, if you see something differently and disagree then that’s totally cool.

But he doesn't even play like the GUY now. Only 17fga per game. That's not THE GUY.

OK.

[pingpongrac]

He was younger then and hadn’t been handed the reigns, been allowed to be ball dominant, or named an all star.

When I watch him I see someone that will want to continue being ‘the guy’. Again, if you see something differently and disagree then that’s totally cool.

But he doesn't even play like the GUY now. Only 17fga per game. That's not THE GUY.

OK.

FVV is 50th in the league in FGA per36 (slightly behind Siakam and GTJ) and 52nd in USG% among qualified players. He is absolutely not trying to be "the guy," and there is no evidence that he wouldn't take a lesser role in the offence if it makes the team better.

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[Basketball_Jones]

n the bench so he's not a true leader" take. A handful of subpar defensive games when we know he is dealing with a knee injury shouldn't supplant the other 350+ games of data where FVV has been a very good to elite defender lol.

FVV would absolutely thrive in an environment where Scottie (and Siakam) are leading the team though. He is 43% on C&S threes for his career and shooting 45% on almost 5 attempts per game this season. He has literally been one of the best C&S guys in the entire league ever since he entered the league. For all of the flack FVV gets for over dribbling and not being a true PG, he would be an excellent tertiary option too. He is top 15 in assists, secondary assists and potential assists while he is also just outside of the top 20 in drives per game and sets up a reasonable amount of offence from his penetration. He has a pretty average USG% and touch/pass rate for a PG, so it's not like he's just wasting possession whenever the ball is in his hands either.

I'm pretty sure 90% of this board would agree that Scottie taking the reins and becoming the offensive hub with Siakam as the #2 and FVV+GTJ+OG as release valves is a best-case scenario for the future of the team.

Never said that about Fred, I could care less what he does on the bench. I will 100% agree with you saying 90% agree Scottie should move up the pecking order. Not sure how that happens when you're dealing with 3 players pushing for stats for their next bag. You think they accept lesser roles with less attempts which usually equal lesser stats that easy?

Only player I see willing to take step back is OG and he is also far less ball dominant. Yesterday was classic example, Scottie scores big amount of points in first half, well on his way to 30 and then SIAKAM/FRED decide to get theirs Scottie finishes with 21. Stats =larger contract, so I don't see that happening next season unless Masai trades one of the 3

One less ball dominant player combined with Scottie working his butt off over the summer and then Scottie will be one of the top 2 options. Does not need to the top option but he cannot be #4 option

Lakers game

Scottie: 17 shots
Siakam : 17 shots
Trent : 19 shots
Fred : 14 shots

Yea… you called IT… Fred and Siakam sure did dominate the shots … lol lol lol

Don’t worry about actual numbers.. just make up any narrative you want .. and hope ppl don’t fact check you

Edit: Precious had 13 shots.. (one less than Freddy) .. that Precious .. always ball hogging and Trying to stat pad !! Lol lol lol

These guys !! Lol lol lol

Precious is the biggest ball hog I’ve ever seen yet he gets a pass all the time. Absolutely selfish offensive player. I really hope he changes or at least starts shooting a lot better someday

[TRik]

But he doesn't even play like the GUY now. Only 17fga per game. That's not THE GUY.

OK.

FVV is 50th in the league in FGA per36 (slightly behind Siakam and GTJ) and 52nd in USG% among qualified players. He is absolutely not trying to be "the guy," and there is no evidence that he wouldn't take a lesser role in the offence if it makes the team better.

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Ok. But next year is also the final year of his contract and he’ll be looking to get paid (probably the max) which is totally fair for him but also makes me doubt he’ll willingly take a lesser role.

[Boogie!]

Loved Scottie tonight. He became more passive as the game went on, but he became a monster at the other facets of the game.

Dude is literally turning into a nightly 20 point threat, while being a 6-9 point guard with a 7-4 wingspan, while also being our best defender... just read that over and process it and realize this guy is a Raptor.... Jeeeez

He was facilitating and playing sound team defense. I mean this kids IQ is off the charts, he damn frustrated LeBron early. Scottie Barnes vs rookie LeBron one one who you got? Bron has him in speed but Barnes is just a straight beast and will punish him in the post.

Rookie Bron with no hesitation lol.

Give him the spacing and officiating ways of the current era ? Nobody would be able to stop him.

**** rookie Bron, 37 year old Bron still has him beat in terms of ball handling, first step, explosiveness, jumper... my God the hate for lebron is unreal. I like scottie but lebron is arguably the goat I mean come on.

[DreamTeam09]

I don't understand how ppl are making agenda arguments and are so rigid in their stance.

"Like he won't take a backseat or play 2nd fiddle"

Like there's no way to actually prove or believe that without actually being in the locker room, but yet ppl make such statements and believe it with validity

[Randle McMurphy]

He was facilitating and playing sound team defense. I mean this kids IQ is off the charts, he damn frustrated LeBron early. Scottie Barnes vs rookie LeBron one one who you got? Bron has him in speed but Barnes is just a straight beast and will punish him in the post.

Rookie Bron with no hesitation lol.

Give him the spacing and officiating ways of the current era ? Nobody would be able to stop him.

**** rookie Bron, 37 year old Bron still has him beat in terms of ball handling, first step, explosiveness, jumper... my God the hate for lebron is unreal. I like scottie but lebron is arguably the goat I mean come on.

I doubt many on this board actually watched rookie LeBron when he was playing, so they've got an excuse there.

[Chandan]

theringer hasnt been good in a while. that rookie comp is ... so far off base.

[Chandan]

I don't understand how ppl are making agenda arguments and are so rigid in their stance.

"Like he won't take a backseat or play 2nd fiddle"

Like there's no way to actually prove or believe that without actually being in the locker room, but yet ppl make such statements and believe it with validity

it's more like he won't take less than 25 mil salary. We can't justify paying a third fiddle that kind of salary when all he does is shoot threes.

I am all for Fred getting a 23 mil/year contract for years to come as Scottie shaves away his usage.

[Los_29]

But he doesn't even play like the GUY now. Only 17fga per game. That's not THE GUY.

OK.

FVV is 50th in the league in FGA per36 (slightly behind Siakam and GTJ) and 52nd in USG% among qualified players. He is absolutely not trying to be "the guy," and there is no evidence that he wouldn't take a lesser role in the offence if it makes the team better.

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I have a feeling this “Fred’s ego is too big to take a lesser role” is going to age as badly as all of their other hot takes from the past year.

[mdenny]

I'm gonna head over to the leafs board, make the claim that Austen Matthews doesn't know how to shoot, and then report anyone who says i don't know what i'm talking about.

Nice "fan site" we have here.

Ciao.

[hype_2004]

Why wouldn't Fred thrive?

He thrived in the Finals behind Kawhi, Siakam, and Lowry.

Pecking order, now it's going to be reshuffled. There's no denying Fred's fit but will he accept his role as a catch and shoot, 3 and D PG without having to be the primary facilitor on offense, that remains to be seen.

[pingpongrac]

I'm gonna head over to the leafs board, make the claim that Austen Matthews doesn't know how to shoot, and then report anyone who says i don't know what i'm talking about.

Nice "fan site" we have here.

Ciao.

First you have to wait for a wrist injury or something. Then you can make the claim that he can't shoot after a few games without a goal. The other 400 games don't matter at that point.

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[HumbleRen]

FVV on paper is actually one of the better fits next to Scottie and Pascal.

He just can’t be your 2nd best player if you want to be a contender. As soon as Scottie makes that leap, I fully expect FVV to be able to defer to him and become way more off-ball.

It’s the GTJ/FVV pairing that concerns me more than anything else.

[Dude-niagara]

Never said that about Fred, I could care less what he does on the bench. I will 100% agree with you saying 90% agree Scottie should move up the pecking order. Not sure how that happens when you're dealing with 3 players pushing for stats for their next bag. You think they accept lesser roles with less attempts which usually equal lesser stats that easy?

Only player I see willing to take step back is OG and he is also far less ball dominant. Yesterday was classic example, Scottie scores big amount of points in first half, well on his way to 30 and then SIAKAM/FRED decide to get theirs Scottie finishes with 21. Stats =larger contract, so I don't see that happening next season unless Masai trades one of the 3

One less ball dominant player combined with Scottie working his butt off over the summer and then Scottie will be one of the top 2 options. Does not need to the top option but he cannot be #4 option

Lakers game

Scottie: 17 shots
Siakam : 17 shots
Trent : 19 shots
Fred : 14 shots

Yea… you called IT… Fred and Siakam sure did dominate the shots … lol lol lol

Don’t worry about actual numbers.. just make up any narrative you want .. and hope ppl don’t fact check you

Edit: Precious had 13 shots.. (one less than Freddy) .. that Precious .. always ball hogging and Trying to stat pad !! Lol lol lol

These guys !! Lol lol lol

Precious is the biggest ball hog I’ve ever seen yet he gets a pass all the time. Absolutely selfish offensive player. I really hope he changes or at least starts shooting a lot better someday

Fred was ice cold and still threw up 14 shots when Scottie was hot, as for Trent and Siakam when we include attempts they were fouled on they both around 22-23 shots which they get almost every night when fouling on attempts is factored. Not mad with Barnes getting 17 attempts but I do expect Fred to get back to jacking and getting his. This is not hard unless your a fanboy of one of the 3, I saw plays where Scottie was wide open and waving his hands in the second half against the Lakers and all 3 players just looked him off and got theirs. Happens all the time and Trent is one of worse

[PhilBlackson]

Scottie Barnes thread that is literally a full page of people yapping on about Fred lol