2023 Draft Prospect discussion

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1501 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:14 am

PhilBlackson wrote:What am I missing about GD?!

I don't get the hype, he seems like another Kevin Huerter to me.

He's an elite shooter who moves without the ball that plays solid defense. He also fits with Scottie like a glove. Either Gradey or Sensabaugh would be amazing additions to our roster.

PhilBlackson · Post #1502 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:26 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:What am I missing about GD?!

I don't get the hype, he seems like another Kevin Huerter to me.
He's an elite shooter who moves without the ball that plays solid defense. He also fits with Scottie like a glove. Either Gradey or Sensabaugh would be amazing additions to our roster.

Sure but what separates him from being another Huerter. I know it was KH’s sophomore college season but he pretty much shot better percentages across the board other than FT% and I’d hear people describe Kev’s game the same way.

Also isn’t Sensabaugh’s game more off the dribble like a poor man’s Pierce?!

AbC? · Post #1503 » by **AbC?** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 8:02 am

Imagine going through a season like this, getting a top 10 pick and adding Dick. Brutal.

He's probably not going to be a good defender at the NBA level. There is a baseline physicality required defensively that he does not reach. He has narrow shoulders/hips and a light frame. Joe Wiekamp who's 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan, similar to Dick but can't defend because he's just not physical enough. It's the same with guys like Herro, Poole, Bones, at least defensively it's a big hindrance being thin... girth matters and Dick is lacking.

Offensively the shooting looks great, need to see his percentages on pull-ups/spot-up/movement 3s but they're probably all good. The cutting is nice too. Hasn't shown any real on-ball creation juice and probably will never will beyond simple reads. I also don't believe his style of finishing will translate to the next level against better defenders.

End of the day he's a 6'8 freshman with elite shooting skill. That itself is worth a lotto pick, esp in this middling draft. High likelihood of being a very good role player and that's a high percentile outcome even picking top 10. Not that exciting though.

Psubs · Post #1504 » by **Psubs** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 9:45 am

PhilBlackson wrote:What am I missing about GD?!

I don't get the hype, he seems like another Kevin Huerter to me.

Slightly better ball handler, more athletic, better layup package. Sacramento went from being bad to decent adding him.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1505 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 2:55 pm

I'd still take a flyer on a guy like Rupert if we get another pick 15-20. Let him grow in your system. Great length +8 wingspan, can defend and has skill. I'd groom him to be a bigger guard

Grab him and Wemby - call it a day

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ATLTimekeeper · Post #1506 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 2:56 pm

AbC? wrote:Imagine going through a season like this, getting a top 10 pick and adding Dick. Brutal.

He's probably not going to be a good defender at the NBA level. There is a baseline physicality required defensively that he does not reach. He has narrow shoulders/hips and a light frame. Joe Wiekamp who's 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan, similar to Dick but can't defend because he's just not physical enough. It's the same with guys like Herro, Poole, Bones, at least defensively it's a big hindrance being thin... girth matters and Dick is lacking.

Offensively the shooting looks great, need to see his percentages on pull-ups/spot-up/movement 3s but they're probably all good. The cutting is nice too. Hasn't shown any real on-ball creation juice and probably will never will beyond simple reads. I also don't believe his style of finishing will translate to the next level against better defenders.

End of the day he's a 6'8 freshman with elite shooting skill. That itself is worth a lotto pick, esp in this middling draft. High likelihood of being a very good role player and that's a high percentile outcome even picking top 10. Not that exciting though.

I agree, but from 5-15 that still seems like an okay pick in this draft. Unlike Wieskamp, Dick has good speed with the ball and can attack closeouts. That fast break where Wieskamp was easily caught is why he's a marginal NBA player.

If the Raptors are still all about defense and switchability, then yeah he's not a fit here. But if they'll looking at what kind of player would work well with Scottie, that's the kind of player, imo. No one wants to tank to end up with a pipsqueak shooter, but you also have to just make the best pick in the bunch and not get a bust.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1507 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:05 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:What am I missing about GD?!

I don't get the hype, he seems like another Kevin Huerter to me.
He's an elite shooter who moves without the ball that plays solid defense. He also fits with Scottie like a glove. Either Gradey or Sensabaugh would be amazing additions to our roster.

Sure but what separates him from being another Huerter. I know it was KH’s sophomore college season but he pretty much shot better percentages across the board other than FT% and I’d hear people describe Kev’s game the same way.

Also isn’t Sensabaugh’s game more off the dribble like a poor man’s Pierce?!

Ask yourself how far off Kevin Huerter's season is statistically compared to most Klay Thompson seasons. Huerter is blossoming into a pretty good player.

With GD you are taking him hoping he is gonna be able to drive and get to the line better than Huerter can and be more of a defensive disruptor. I feel like he would mesh well with Scottie and you get him as a young player unspoiled by professional basketball with bigtime offensive tools to develop. The Raps just can't afford to bring in players with question marks about their shooting anymore as they desperately need shooters who can develop into quality starters and bench players.

HumbleRen · Post #1508 » by **HumbleRen** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:15 pm

It would be awesome to draft a player with star level upside but right now we need to replenish the talent drain that we’ve experienced over the years.

I’m not expecting some franchise changing talent in this draft, I just want young talent that isn’t inept at offence.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1509 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:19 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1510 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:24 pm

Imagine a lineup with a guy like GD, Scottie, Pascal and Poeltl. You find a stud PG somehow and youre ready in a couple years. That's a team where everyone's role would be clearly defined and movement and ball distribution would be the norm. Both Poeltl and a guy like Dick would enable Barnes.

T-d0t · Post #1511 » by **T-d0t** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:27 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
T-d0t wrote:
KINGTHANOS wrote:
Can you group the Top 15 in those categories?

Guys can correct me if I'm wrong.

Offensive players who are either below average or terrible on defense
-Nick Smith Jr.
-Cam Whitmore
-Keyonte George
-Jett Howard
-Brice Sensabaugh
-Maxwell Lewis

Defensive players with non existent or mediocre shooting ability.
-Jarace Walker
-Cason Wallace
-Anthony Black

Role players who are fine but don't seem good enough to warrant a top pick
-Brandon Miller
-Gradey Dick
-Kris Murray
-Taylor Hendricks
-Kyle Filipowski

Project or relatively unknown
- GG Jackson
- Dariq Whitehead
- Probably add the Thompsons here as well but they are obviously projected top 5-10 at least

lol those titles make it seem like none of these guys will be good

Still early and we're not in March yet

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1512 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:27 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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What's special about Keyonte George? Dude looks :noway:

WuTang_CMB · Post #1513 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:28 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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What's special about Keyonte George? Dude looks

People getting hot on comps for Jamal Murray

HumbleRen · Post #1514 » by **HumbleRen** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:28 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Imagine a lineup with a guy like GD, Scottie, Pascal and Poeltl. You find a stud PG somehow and youre ready in a couple years. That's a team where everyone's role would be clearly defined and movement and ball distribution would be the norm. Both Poeltl and a guy like Dick would enable Barnes.

Yuck

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1515 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:32 pm

Givony has the Raps taking Cam Whitmore.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1516 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:38 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Imagine a lineup with a guy like GD, Scottie, Pascal and Poeltl. You find a stud PG somehow and youre ready in a couple years. That's a team where everyone's role would be clearly defined and movement and ball distribution would be the norm. Both Poeltl and a guy like Dick would enable Barnes.

Yuck

True why would we want one of the best interior defenders and ball distributing bigs in the league on our team. We don't need interior defense or ball distribution at all.

T-d0t · Post #1517 » by **T-d0t** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:38 pm

Regarding the Thompsons, imagine how cool it is to both be projected as top picks in the NBA draft. Can't begin to explain how rare that is

HumbleRen · Post #1518 » by **HumbleRen** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:40 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Imagine a lineup with a guy like GD, Scottie, Pascal and Poeltl. You find a stud PG somehow and youre ready in a couple years. That's a team where everyone's role would be clearly defined and movement and ball distribution would be the norm. Both Poeltl and a guy like Dick would enable Barnes.

Yuck

True why would we want one of the best interior defenders and ball distributing bigs in the league on our team. We don't need interior defense or ball distribution at all.

I would like to rejoin the modern nba with a rebuild, not continue to resemble a early 2000’s basketball team.

Having 3 below average shooting starters who all operate in the same space is not ideal to me.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1519 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:54 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Yuck

True why would we want one of the best interior defenders and ball distributing bigs in the league on our team. We don't need interior defense or ball distribution at all.

I would like to rejoin the modern nba with a rebuild, not continue to resemble a early 2000’s basketball team.

Having 3 below average shooting starters who all operate in the same space is not ideal to me.

Hmm well you might be right about Scottie and Pascal not being able to coexist so let's say we trade him for a haul, I still like Poeltl inside with Scottie at PF and a player like GD at SG

Rapsfan07 · Post #1520 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:55 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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Interesting mock... Has us taking Cam Whitmore at 9.

I personally do not think he will fall past 6, I don't think BOTH Thompson twins are going in the Top 5 and I don't think Amen is a lock to go ahead of Ausar.

I do believe one of them are going Top 5 though.

If we end up picking 6, I'd go with George, Walker, Whitmore or Smith.

With a later first, which we should do everything reasonably required to obtain, I'd be going with Colby Jones or Maxwell Lewis. I'd actually like to grab both of them if at all possible.

A draft night haul of George/Walker with Jones and Lewis is a coup.