2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[PhilBlackson]

Man, a lot of mocks have Miller going #2.

That would really make pick #3 interesting. Scoot and Lillard really can't co-exist long term, they'd have to choose 1.

I honestly think them co-existing (on paper) for the most part isn’t the issue…Dame is a shooter and Scoot is a slasher (who is also great at cutting off ball) so if anything I actually think their “fit” offensively is fine.

The problems are timeline, defence and most importantly what the heck would they do with Simons & Sharpe?!? Unless of course they traded packaged Sharpe with Simons instead which won’t likely be the case because well firstly they’ve already made public they’re shopping the 3rd lol but I think league wide the “appeal” of Scoot & hype is greater than Shaedon’s and of course they want the best return.

[OakleyDokely]

Ainge going to draft Dick and Podziemski and build the whitest team possible.

[ItsDanger]

BPM is a stat derived from boxscores using regression from teammates I believe. Basically correlates to net rating. Therefore, its not really a great stat to rely upon. I'd guess most of the top 20 or so drafted players from past 12 drafts have good BPMs. So, how meaningful is that stat then? Also, I'd really factor in that a player is a freshman or not, big difference. Or if he was 3rd option with good or experienced players plus the conference he played in. I'd look more at the player's individual efficiency stats relative to age and then proceed from there. Nobody can tell me Anthony Edwards stats were impressive, he had a good OBPM but was not efficient at all.

[Clutch0z24]

Jordan Hawkins is an interesting one....Bufkins still my pick at 13....Still wishing for a trade and we get a backcourt of Scoot/Hawkins....I feel the fan base will be disappointed though with what actually happens since we get so many rumors of moving up and making a trade....

Feel like this happens time n time again recently where we get rumors but nothing materializes and we just run it back with the same group and "Evaluate" while other teams are pulling off trades that we could of had and get better in the process.

[Jadoogar]

Man, a lot of mocks have Miller going #2.

That would really make pick #3 interesting. Scoot and Lillard really can't co-exist long term, they'd have to choose 1.

I honestly think them co-existing (on paper) for the most part isn’t the issue…Dame is a shooter and Scoot is a slasher (who is also great at cutting off ball) so if anything I actually think their “fit” offensively is fine.

The problems are timeline, defence and most importantly what the heck would they do with Simons & Sharpe?!? Unless of course they traded packaged Sharpe with Simons instead which won’t likely be the case because well firstly they’ve already made public they’re shopping the 3rd lol but I think league wide the “appeal” of Scoot & hype is greater than Shaedon’s and of course they want the best return.

Is that true? If the blazers can only offer #3 or Sharpe for one of our guys, i think i would prefer Sharpe. Had he played in college, i think he would have been a top 3 pick last year.

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[TronoWrappers]

High school rankings for those interested. I find these list are good indicators for NBA success, if you look back on years prior.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2022/order/true

[BoyzNTheHood]

High school rankings for those interested. I find these list are good indicators for NBA success, if you look back on years prior.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2022/order/true

Dariq’s injuries really set him back. Before this season he had big games against the best competition, but now he’s seen as maybe the next AJ Griffin. I hope he stays healthy and proves people wrong.

[Reeko]

At this stage I'm good with either one of Bufkin or Hawkins. Coulibaly and Miller are interesting, although the former interests me more.

[ATLTimekeeper]

BPM is a stat derived from boxscores using regression from teammates I believe. Basically correlates to net rating. Therefore, its not really a great stat to rely upon. I'd guess most of the top 20 or so drafted players from past 12 drafts have good BPMs. So, how meaningful is that stat then? Also, I'd really factor in that a player is a freshman or not, big difference. Or if he was 3rd option with good or experienced players plus the conference he played in. I'd look more at the player's individual efficiency stats relative to age and then proceed from there. Nobody can tell me Anthony Edwards stats were impressive, he had a good OBPM but was not efficient at all.

I don't understand what you're trying to say about Edwards. He improved his efficiency from 3 and midrange in the NBA. Shooting is a skill that's correctable in the NBA. You might be worried if that player's form is awful, or if they don't take a lot of shots at the rim. But Edwards was really good in the paint, got to the line and made them. If anything that high OBPM (which really is kinda on the lower end for NBA stars) was telling you that this guy can still produce good offense for his team while still shooting poorly from midrange and the three point line.

[Mark_83]

Hmm. I wonder what team Walker has set as his floor to take that promise. There's no reason for him to shut things down unless he's comfortable falling to that spot, and there's no reason for a team to give him a promise if they're already high enough to pick him.

Dallas would seem to make some sense. He played for Houston and would give them the kind of switchable wing they lost when they traded Finney-Smith.

[ItsDanger]

BPM is a stat derived from boxscores using regression from teammates I believe. Basically correlates to net rating. Therefore, its not really a great stat to rely upon. I'd guess most of the top 20 or so drafted players from past 12 drafts have good BPMs. So, how meaningful is that stat then? Also, I'd really factor in that a player is a freshman or not, big difference. Or if he was 3rd option with good or experienced players plus the conference he played in. I'd look more at the player's individual efficiency stats relative to age and then proceed from there. Nobody can tell me Anthony Edwards stats were impressive, he had a good OBPM but was not efficient at all.

I don't understand what you're trying to say about Edwards. He improved his efficiency from 3 and midrange in the NBA. Shooting is a skill that's correctable in the NBA. You might be worried if that player's form is awful, or if they don't take a lot of shots at the rim. But Edwards was really good in the paint, got to the line and made them. If anything that high OBPM (which really is kinda on the lower end for NBA stars) was telling you that this guy can still produce good offense for his team while still shooting poorly from midrange and the three point line.

Edwards at Georgia 40/29/77, 3 TOs per game. OBPM: 4.8? Obviously super talented but those were not great numbers and not unlike a lot of freshman stats in this current draft.

[Bruin]

High school rankings for those interested. I find these list are good indicators for NBA success, if you look back on years prior.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2022/order/true

247 is by far the best for HS recruiting. ESPN ranking is as bad as on3

[PhilBlackson]

Man, a lot of mocks have Miller going #2.

That would really make pick #3 interesting. Scoot and Lillard really can't co-exist long term, they'd have to choose 1.

I honestly think them co-existing (on paper) for the most part isn’t the issue…Dame is a shooter and Scoot is a slasher (who is also great at cutting off ball) so if anything I actually think their “fit” offensively is fine.

The problems are timeline, defence and most importantly what the heck would they do with Simons & Sharpe?!? Unless of course they traded packaged Sharpe with Simons instead which won’t likely be the case because well firstly they’ve already made public they’re shopping the 3rd lol but I think league wide the “appeal” of Scoot & hype is greater than Shaedon’s and of course they want the best return.

Is that true? If the blazers can only offer #3 or Sharpe for one of our guys, i think i would prefer Sharpe. Had he played in college, i think he would have been a top 3 pick last year.

As probably the biggest non-POR Shaedon stan on these boards who wanted to trade OG for him at the draft, I agree he would've been a top 3 pick BUT he didn't get that level of exposure in college and still didn't get enough to capture national attention (as yet) in POR having to play behind Dame, Simons & Hart (pre-deadline).

Meanwhile Scoot is all but already a household name with almost guaranteed media attention as he's been so heavily connected in conversations with Vic. It's all but a certainty they will put their games (Vic vs Scoot) on national (US) tv each time and being that he has that level of hype coming in, combined with some of the jaw dropping dunks and handles he shows, he's damn near a lock for any team to bring in more revenue for whichever team ends up with him which will mean ownership group including ours will recognize the income potential, also keeping in mind as a lead guard he will have the ball in his hands a lot more from Day 1. Shaedon can obviously get there since he's a top 5 athlete in the league with borderline VCish hops but it will take more time to gain that recognition. I get that he can too BECOME a goldmine for the franchise as a true "homemade" star (which is why it was infuriating to me we didn't make the trade when we could) but again I just think Scoot is coming into the league with pretty much a dollar sign on his forehead for whichever team drafts him.

[TheDunc]

Scoot is who i want at this draft through a trade but raptors rarely make movies like that so if they stay at 3 my picks are Bufkin, Hawkins or Sidy and dark horse being George but im unsure just because of his ineffeciency but if Masai sees something in him then im completely down with the pick.

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interesting. I thought he might have a chance in the 1st rd but I guess not?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Scoot is who i want at this draft through a trade but raptors rarely make movies like that so if they stay at 3 my picks are Bufkin, Hawkins or Sidy and dark horse being George but im unsure just because of his ineffeciency but if Masai sees something in him then im completely down with the pick.

There’s something about George, but as we all know he can go completely sideways. And he seems fairly redundant if we’re re-signing GTJ.

Sidy gives me a little bit of Franz vibes. The difference is Franz is basically 6’9”-6’10” whereas Sidy is 6’5”.

Hawkins is a perfect fit if we’re running it back and Gradey is off the board.

Bufkin almost seems too perfect at this point, it’s like where’s the flaw you’re hiding?

Sensabaugh is the other one to watch now that Nurse is gone because his production was incredible for a freshman. It’s almost crazy how productive and efficient he was. But defense.

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This was expected. And I had heard from some of my sources at UCLA that him returning was a done deal weeks ago