2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[pharring]

Rebounding is maybe the easiest thing to project into the NBA as it usually carries over. I like Mogbo as he fits our mold of high motor jolty type players, which this team is now lacking after the trades. I understand Darko's system and focus of shooting/IQ around Scottie, but I still think you need 1-2 of these type of players in the rotation. Height and shooting def an issue though.

Sometimes I think this league has gone too heavy into long-distance shooting. It now seems to be every team's primary objective and "need" in FA and in the draft. The result is going to be a thinning out of quality players where you are drafting a guy too high or signing a guy for too much just because he seems to have range. In this scenario, guys like Edey and Mogbo (both of whom I think contribute directly to culture, schemes and overall winning) start to slide.

Maybe as the league leans too heavily on distance shooting, the pendulum starts to swing back where teams that have consistent rebounding, points-in-the-paint and pressure in the mid-range start to rise again. I understand inside-out basketball and the need to touch-the-paint, but does it always have to end in a kick-out?

But I guess that time isn't now. Boston is about to sweep and their biggest claim to fame is how much shooting they do (and have). Five-out lineups and the efficiency of the 3pt shot will reign for a while yet. Not like the Raptors were winning with a line-up of flexible wings that were not consistent long-distance threats.

[Rodrickle]

Rebounding is maybe the easiest thing to project into the NBA as it usually carries over. I like Mogbo as he fits our mold of high motor jolty type players, which this team is now lacking after the trades. I understand Darko's system and focus of shooting/IQ around Scottie, but I still think you need 1-2 of these type of players in the rotation. Height and shooting def an issue though.

Mogbo is a really good passer and seems pretty high IQ. but yeah not a shooter, hopefully its something he works on

[alpngso]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

[Dalek]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

I mean there are such things as late bloomers. Jalen Brunson took a major leap and ended up All-NBA second team level and he was a 33rd pick at age 22 after playing 3 years of college ball. Jalen Williams was 21 when he started his career and that was after 3 years of college ball. There are lots of examples with success usually based on high BPM and shooting attributes that outweigh age and athleticism. The pandemic has led to players losing a year and being older than normal when joining the draft, as well as NIL giving monetary incentives. I just think the whole paradigm has shifted.

Older players who come in and can play rotation minutes are pretty valuable, especially when you look at the CBA and the way it restricts teams from adding talent once you get close to the threshold. All NBA teams are now using young players to buoy their rotations.

For Toronto, we need talent, but we need system players if we want to go down Darko's 0.5 path. You can use high IQ 18 year-olds like Gradey, but you then have to live with the slow results. I just say, take the best BPA and consider one who will fit what you are doing and not overlap skillsets.

[YogurtProducer]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

The fact such a signficant amount of people think the Raptors always make "half-measures" is **** hilarious

Y'all don't have the patience for anything

[YogurtProducer]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

I mean there are such things as late bloomers. Jalen Brunson took a major leap and ended up All-NBA second team level and he was a 33rd pick at age 22 after playing 3 years of college ball. Jalen Williams was 21 when he started his career and that was after 3 years of college ball. There are lots of examples with success usually based on high BPM and shooting attributes that outweigh age and athleticism. The pandemic has led to players losing a year and being older than normal when joining the draft, as well as NIL giving monetary incentives. I just think the whole paradigm has shifted.

Older players who come in and can play rotation minutes are pretty valuable, especially when you look at the CBA and the way it restricts teams from adding talent once you get close to the threshold. All NBA teams are now using young players to buoy their rotations.

For Toronto, we need talent, but we need system players if we want to go down Darko's 0.5 path. You can use high IQ 18 year-olds like Gradey, but you then have to live with the slow results. I just say, take the best BPA and consider one who will fit what you are doing and not overlap skillsets.

Siakam was 22 as a rookie. FVV was 22. Norm was 22.

IDK why people think older rookies cant be productive players. Later in the 1st and in the 2nd, just find rotation players. Don't overthink it.

[Indeed]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

I mean there are such things as late bloomers. Jalen Brunson took a major leap and ended up All-NBA second team level and he was a 33rd pick at age 22 after playing 3 years of college ball. Jalen Williams was 21 when he started his career and that was after 3 years of college ball. There are lots of examples with success usually based on high BPM and shooting attributes that outweigh age and athleticism. The pandemic has led to players losing a year and being older than normal when joining the draft, as well as NIL giving monetary incentives. I just think the whole paradigm has shifted.

Older players who come in and can play rotation minutes are pretty valuable, especially when you look at the CBA and the way it restricts teams from adding talent once you get close to the threshold. All NBA teams are now using young players to buoy their rotations.

For Toronto, we need talent, but we need system players if we want to go down Darko's 0.5 path. You can use high IQ 18 year-olds like Gradey, but you then have to live with the slow results. I just say, take the best BPA and consider one who will fit what you are doing and not overlap skillsets.

Siakam was 22 as a rookie. FVV was 22. Norm was 22.

IDK why people think older rookies cant be productive players. Later in the 1st and in the 2nd, just find rotation players. Don't overthink it.

This is a bit of a surprised that we have better success with drafting older prospects, but we started taking younger prospects in David Johnson and Hernandez. I feel we drafted better with Banton and Koloko (admit injury caused his career), in the exception of 2020 pandemic draft (Flynn and Jalen Harris).

[alpngso]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

I mean there are such things as late bloomers. Jalen Brunson took a major leap and ended up All-NBA second team level and he was a 33rd pick at age 22 after playing 3 years of college ball. Jalen Williams was 21 when he started his career and that was after 3 years of college ball. There are lots of examples with success usually based on high BPM and shooting attributes that outweigh age and athleticism. The pandemic has led to players losing a year and being older than normal when joining the draft, as well as NIL giving monetary incentives. I just think the whole paradigm has shifted.

Older players who come in and can play rotation minutes are pretty valuable, especially when you look at the CBA and the way it restricts teams from adding talent once you get close to the threshold. All NBA teams are now using young players to buoy their rotations.

For Toronto, we need talent, but we need system players if we want to go down Darko's 0.5 path. You can use high IQ 18 year-olds like Gradey, but you then have to live with the slow results. I just say, take the best BPA and consider one who will fit what you are doing and not overlap skillsets.

Siakam was 22 as a rookie. FVV was 22. Norm was 22.

IDK why people think older rookies cant be productive players. Later in the 1st and in the 2nd, just find rotation players. Don't overthink it.

22 is not too bad in covid years. talking about guys like TSJ, Scheierman who are 24, Da silva, McCullar, Mogbo, Jones are 23. Basically Duarte in ‘21 draft level old prospects

[Psubs]

I don't want to treadmill. Use the cap space to get rotational players and keep taking on the Kira Lewis' to gain future 1st picks like Brooklyn was doing until they went all in with KD and Kyrie.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/skill-spotlights-carlton-carrington-s-shooting-01hzqec47m8b

Carrington's best skill is his shooting. Specifically, his pull-up shooting, which is one of the best microskills in this draft class. He shot 50.9% on 116 pull-up midrange jumpers, or 3.4 attempts per game. And although he shot just 32.2% from three in his freshman season at Pittsburgh, including 32.1% on pull-up threes, there's evidence to believe in those percentages improving.

The 6-foot-4 guard shot 32.0% on 75 catch-and-shoot threes, but the numbers start to get even trickier with a deeper look. According to Synergy, he shot 23.7% on unguarded catch-and-shoot threes and 40.5% on guarded threes, flipped from the traditional standards of unguarded looks being easier than guarded looks.

At the combine he proved it was variance on small sample, since he did amazing in the shooting drills from 3 which were unguarded.

He's like a bigger Darius Garland. Garland only played 5 games as a freshman.

[PhilBlackson]

If I'm our FO, you can already tell by the fact they've gone to see Saluan more than once that they like him so I'd do the following...

Trade Poeltl to MEM and draft Tidjane (since there's plenty of buzz he could go top 10) and then flip Brown & whatever remaining pick to move somewhere in the mid-lotto ahead of the Lakers (who is the only team I've heard other than us that may want him) and draft Edey.

Get the best of both worlds, you have a NBA ready player who will also be a big enough headline that media won't be super focused on what's happening with Saluan while he basically plays his "freshman" college season in the G-League but also fills the gap that was created by trading for TS in the first place. Then you let Tidjane develop and ironically like MEM, bring in your 18/19 year old player get some PT towards the end of the year when you're in your mini-tank like MEM did with GG to get some excitement and buzz about him going into next season.

Then you have a fairly good pick in the 25' draft and then you'd essentially have 2 high end *rookies (in Saluan & 25' frp) and have combined potentially franchise altering talents with a bunch of cap space to fill out the holes however you see fit with 2 draft picks in the 26' draft where either you move up or further deepen your roster.

But for me the goal going into this draft would be to create trade packages of (Poeltl for Saluan) and (Brown for Edey) and this would actually be a VERY exciting official start to the rebuild.

[WuTang_CMB]

Rebounding is maybe the easiest thing to project into the NBA as it usually carries over. I like Mogbo as he fits our mold of high motor jolty type players, which this team is now lacking after the trades. I understand Darko's system and focus of shooting/IQ around Scottie, but I still think you need 1-2 of these type of players in the rotation. Height and shooting def an issue though.

Mogbo is a really good passer and seems pretty high IQ. but yeah not a shooter, hopefully its something he works on

Mogbo has IQ and passing but my point is the lack of shooting in a Darko/Scottie system is the biggest killer.

[grant101]

I don't want to treadmill. Use the cap space to get rotational players and keep taking on the Kira Lewis' to gain future 1st picks like Brooklyn was doing until they went all in with KD and Kyrie.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/skill-spotlights-carlton-carrington-s-shooting-01hzqec47m8b

Carrington's best skill is his shooting. Specifically, his pull-up shooting, which is one of the best microskills in this draft class. He shot 50.9% on 116 pull-up midrange jumpers, or 3.4 attempts per game. And although he shot just 32.2% from three in his freshman season at Pittsburgh, including 32.1% on pull-up threes, there's evidence to believe in those percentages improving.

The 6-foot-4 guard shot 32.0% on 75 catch-and-shoot threes, but the numbers start to get even trickier with a deeper look. According to Synergy, he shot 23.7% on unguarded catch-and-shoot threes and 40.5% on guarded threes, flipped from the traditional standards of unguarded looks being easier than guarded looks.

At the combine he proved it was variance on small sample, since he did amazing in the shooting drills from 3 which were unguarded.

He's like a bigger Darius Garland. Garland only played 5 games as a freshman.

I'm not a big fan of Carrington (i've been over my reasoning a million times), even though believe in the shot long-term. That said, the Garland comp is madness, and you should take the combine results with a massive heap of salt. His shot during the drills (which are not timed) took soooooo long to get off. I'm guessing he figured taking his time would yield better results. It just proves that he can game the system.

His shot off the catch is going to need work. Bub has tendency to hold the ball or immediately start dribbling when he gets the ball swung to him. The catch and shoot stuff looks a little awkward and slow. I think he's a rhythm shooter, so he's going to need time to adjust to an off-ball role. Not a great fit for our system

[CazOnReal]

I am so tired of sh*tty Poeltl trade proposals.

We aren't moving him for a pick in this draft. No one here is worth creating that hole at the 5 for.

[grant101]

Rebounding is maybe the easiest thing to project into the NBA as it usually carries over. I like Mogbo as he fits our mold of high motor jolty type players, which this team is now lacking after the trades. I understand Darko's system and focus of shooting/IQ around Scottie, but I still think you need 1-2 of these type of players in the rotation. Height and shooting def an issue though.

Mogbo is a really good passer and seems pretty high IQ. but yeah not a shooter, hopefully its something he works on

Mogbo has IQ and passing but my point is the lack of shooting in a Darko/Scottie system is the biggest killer.

I agree that this team desperately needs shooting. It's just that so many of the shooters in this draft are trash at defence or bring little else to the table. It's why my preference has always been to trade back for later picks in the second and grab a skilled non-shooter Mogbo (or Shead if we go big/wing @ 19) with one and a shooter (Bridges, Simpson, Wells) with the other.

[ArthurVandelay]

I am so tired of sh*tty Poeltl trade proposals.

We aren't moving him for a pick in this draft. No one here is worth creating that hole at the 5 for.

No one in 2024 for sure

2025? That is another story

[WuTang_CMB]

Rebounding is maybe the easiest thing to project into the NBA as it usually carries over. I like Mogbo as he fits our mold of high motor jolty type players, which this team is now lacking after the trades. I understand Darko's system and focus of shooting/IQ around Scottie, but I still think you need 1-2 of these type of players in the rotation. Height and shooting def an issue though.

Sometimes I think this league has gone too heavy into long-distance shooting. It now seems to be every team's primary objective and "need" in FA and in the draft. The result is going to be a thinning out of quality players where you are drafting a guy too high or signing a guy for too much just because he seems to have range. In this scenario, guys like Edey and Mogbo (both of whom I think contribute directly to culture, schemes and overall winning) start to slide.

Maybe as the league leans too heavily on distance shooting, the pendulum starts to swing back where teams that have consistent rebounding, points-in-the-paint and pressure in the mid-range start to rise again. I understand inside-out basketball and the need to touch-the-paint, but does it always have to end in a kick-out?

But I guess that time isn't now. Boston is about to sweep and their biggest claim to fame is how much shooting they do (and have). Five-out lineups and the efficiency of the 3pt shot will reign for a while yet. Not like the Raptors were winning with a line-up of flexible wings that were not consistent long-distance threats.

Valid points. As we've seen shooting and creation in the playoffs are necessities to be successful but so are defense and rebounding. At 19 / 31, in a perfect world you find a strong 2-way guy, as we did in 17' when OG fell. I don't see that type of wing in this draft. Our roster is really lacking for high motor, defense, rebounding guys that can compliment our core. But if the Raps pass on Mogbo for a guy like Djurisic, that would be interesting to me (and I like both).

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

If I'm our FO, you can already tell by the fact they've gone to see Saluan more than once that they like him so I'd do the following...

Trade Poeltl to MEM and draft Tidjane (since there's plenty of buzz he could go top 10) and then flip Brown & whatever remaining pick to move somewhere in the mid-lotto ahead of the Lakers (who is the only team I've heard other than us that may want him) and draft Edey.

Get the best of both worlds, you have a NBA ready player who will also be a big enough headline that media won't be super focused on what's happening with Saluan while he basically plays his "freshman" college season in the G-League but also fills the gap that was created by trading for TS in the first place. Then you let Tidjane develop and ironically like MEM, bring in your 18/19 year old player get some PT towards the end of the year when you're in your mini-tank like MEM did with GG to get some excitement and buzz about him going into next season.

Then you have a fairly good pick in the 25' draft and then you'd essentially have 2 high end *rookies (in Saluan & 25' frp) and have combined potentially franchise altering talents with a bunch of cap space to fill out the holes however you see fit with 2 draft picks in the 26' draft where either you move up or further deepen your roster.

But for me the goal going into this draft would be to create trade packages of (Poeltl for Saluan) and (Brown for Edey) and this would actually be a VERY exciting official start to the rebuild.

If I'm San Antonio, walking away with Tidjane Salaun (4) and Devin Carter (8) is a massive win.

Carter
Vassell
Johnson
Salaun
Wembanyama

='Ship

[Dalek]

I don't want to treadmill. Use the cap space to get rotational players and keep taking on the Kira Lewis' to gain future 1st picks like Brooklyn was doing until they went all in with KD and Kyrie.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/skill-spotlights-carlton-carrington-s-shooting-01hzqec47m8b

Carrington's best skill is his shooting. Specifically, his pull-up shooting, which is one of the best microskills in this draft class. He shot 50.9% on 116 pull-up midrange jumpers, or 3.4 attempts per game. And although he shot just 32.2% from three in his freshman season at Pittsburgh, including 32.1% on pull-up threes, there's evidence to believe in those percentages improving.

The 6-foot-4 guard shot 32.0% on 75 catch-and-shoot threes, but the numbers start to get even trickier with a deeper look. According to Synergy, he shot 23.7% on unguarded catch-and-shoot threes and 40.5% on guarded threes, flipped from the traditional standards of unguarded looks being easier than guarded looks.

At the combine he proved it was variance on small sample, since he did amazing in the shooting drills from 3 which were unguarded.

He's like a bigger Darius Garland. Garland only played 5 games as a freshman.

I read 32.0% on 75 C&S threes and 24% on unguarded C&S threes and I just have to say 'nope'. You can't be called a shooter if you don't make the easiest shot. Jazz draft guy, David Locke runs synergy stats for all the draft prospects and the history is not kind to players who can't make C&S threes at a good rate. Bub is in a red zone based on that.

Not to mention that he lacks finishing touch and burst to get by defenders. I don't think he made the right call staying in the draft.

[alpngso]

would you take a 23 yo with rotational player ceiling ready to contribute as 6, 7, 8th man for the next 4 years or 18 yo with starter ceiling who will spend 1.5 years in the g league before playing in the league

not sure what would the Raps value now. they might hedge and draft a project and an immediate contributor

as they always do, half measure moves

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Oh good someone did a study on draft ages vs production

[Mark_83]

Crawford should be in play at 31

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I like him a lot. He low-key reminds me of a poor man's Kawhi. I'd prefer to trade for another pick to take him though rather than using 31. Or maybe trade down from 31 for Portland's 34 and 40.

Take him at either pick and then choose one of Mogbo, Simpson, or Shead with the other.

It's tough without having Intel on who wants which players (for example, I wanted him as my top UDFA if he made it that far). But if he definitely is getting drafted I'd do what I could to get another pick.

I guess we’re both crazy because Kawhi is the first guy that came to mind for me as well when I saw him. We know he won’t be anything close to the Klaw, but even a poor man’s version would be epic.

I also agree on trading down, but I don’t trust our front office to get into the draft since they’ve rarely seen the value in it.

It's the huge hands, long wingspan, and the methodical pace at which he moves. He's also so strong. Guys just bounce off him when he drives.