Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[Sidthekid87]

He just looks so **** slow and clunky out there unless he's in the mid range. Everything else about his game right now just looks disgusting. Not encouraging at all.

[Psubs]

He just looks so **** slow and clunky out there unless he's in the mid range. Everything else about his game right now just looks disgusting. Not encouraging at all.

With his 3pt shot looking like 25-33%, he looks eerliy like a lankier Demar Derozan.

[Prestige]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

[Psubs]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

RJ Barrett is the buffer.

[HangTime]

I don't mind him taking these last shots, early on in the season.

I think we can throw teams off later on.

[anotherhomer]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

RJ Barrett is the buffer.

was going to write something....i think Darko's done a good job. Ingram isn't a perfect player but he's brought a much needed half-court scoring threat.

I think Raps need to figure out how to make adjustments for late-game now

[ConSarnit]

0 FTs this game.

While you can't even sneeze on Avdija, everytime someone looked his direction he looked towards the refs looking for a foul. That will be a key piece of the game he will have to develop.

The league probably wants Webster to submit a form so they can put the refs on notice after it gets approved by their marketing department. BI getting 6-7 whistles a game is definitely good for the NBA

What a **** league with **** officiating.

Ingram takes 28% of his shots inside of 10ft. Avdija is at 49%. When the vast majority of your FGA are midrange or 3’s you’re not going to draw fouls.

BI’s midrange game is useful because it means he can get a decent look in any situation. What it is not good for is drawing fouls.

[Badonkadonk]

I'm not concerned, the team (for once) has all the raw materials needed to win games and is going through the process of figuring out how to optimize it. We saw a very effective adjustment to the team's defensive schemes after 5 or so games, we've seen other experimentation to land on what works best (eg. best fill-in for RJ). Finding balance between Scottie, Brandon and RJ is going to be something that continues to evolve, especially for planned plays at the end of games.

Great problem to have. In previous years, those guys wouldn't exist and end-of-clock scenarios were Freddy launching a 3 because nobody could drive OR shoot.

[PushDaRock]

I'm not concerned, the team (for once) has all the raw materials needed to win games and is going through the process of figuring out how to optimize it. We saw a very effective adjustment to the team's defensive schemes after 5 or so games, we've seen other experimentation to land on what works best (eg. best fill-in for RJ). Finding balance between Scottie, Brandon and RJ is going to be something that continues to evolve, especially for planned plays at the end of games.

Great problem to have. In previous years, those guys wouldn't exist and end-of-clock scenarios were Freddy launching a 3 because nobody could drive OR shoot.

Yeah I think there is experimentation going on right now and they're giving Ingram rope to figure it out. His USG doesn't just sky rocket with RJ out while Scottie and IQ stays the same without likely some intent behind it. There's usually some method to Darko's madness.

[ConSarnit]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

This is who Ingram is. It’s not Ingram’s fault. It’s the fault of the people on here who expected something different from a guy who has been in the league for 10 years. There’s a reason we got him for a single mediocre 1st and terrible contracts. There’s a reason he’s a “#1 option” yet the best yet the best he could get is 25% of the cap.

If Ingram were the player people around here thought he was he wouldn’t have been available for cheap.

[YogurtProducer]

Rough stretch but he is obviously going to not play as bad as he had for a few weeks.

But long term he is not a real solution anyways. He is the bridge to a true star. If a superstar trade comes around, he is absolutely the #1 person we are offering as salary going out.

The ONLY trade I can see us preferring to keep BI is if we got a guy like Giannis, as BI would still need to be that iso release valve.

[PushDaRock]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

This is who Ingram is. It’s not Ingram’s fault. It’s the fault of the people on here who expected something different from a guy who has been in the league for 10 years. There’s a reason we got him for a single mediocre 1st and terrible contracts. There’s a reason he’s a “#1 option” yet the best yet the best he could get is 25% of the cap.

If Ingram were the player people around here thought he was he wouldn’t have been available for cheap.

Even with all the flaws, his talent level is high end. We were hoping to be able to optimize the things he does well, improve on some of the weaknesses a bit and get him playing a bit differently/smarter. We were able to do that with RJ so there was at least some optimism we could with Ingram too. Before the last 5 games, there were more positives than negatives. Bad habits are hard to break though and we have seen them resurface through this poor stretch of play.

[ConSarnit]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

This is who Ingram is. It’s not Ingram’s fault. It’s the fault of the people on here who expected something different from a guy who has been in the league for 10 years. There’s a reason we got him for a single mediocre 1st and terrible contracts. There’s a reason he’s a “#1 option” yet the best yet the best he could get is 25% of the cap.

If Ingram were the player people around here thought he was he wouldn’t have been available for cheap.

Even with all the flaws, his talent level is high end. We were hoping to be able to optimize the things he does well, improve on some of the weaknesses a bit and get him playing a bit differently/smarter. We were able to do that with RJ so there was at least some optimism we could with Ingram too. Before the last 5 games, there were more positives than negatives. Bad habits are hard to break though and we have seen them resurface through this poor stretch of play.

We’re trying. He’s at the highest FG assisted % he’s ever been at. We’re trying to use his off-ball gravity more. Use him more as a finisher than initiator. All in all he’s about exactly who I expected him to be. I hoped we’d be able to scale his 3pt shooting more but that hasn’t materialized.

I guess I’m just a firm believer that after 10 seasons a guy is who he is. He’s a fine player who allows everyone else to fit into a better role. It feels like the posters complaining about his flaws never watched him play before this season.

[HiJiNX]

Bad shots look worse when you’re missing the good ones and that’s what’s happened the last few games, especially against the Lakers. I thought his process with the Lakers was perfect on offence (except one or two shots but whatever), the shots just weren’t falling. It happens.

I don’t mind him getting the last shot either. That’s what he’s here for. He should only be giving it up if the D stifles the ball out of his hands.

[tsherkin]

If he can't hit threes then he isn't a positive on the floor. He was supposed to be better than Siakam there, but it's a quarter way through the season and he's doing terribly.

The previous decade (well, 9 years) has him shooting 36.3% on 3.8 3PA/g. I think we can trust in his 3pt shot, my guy. Let's give him some time. This is a pretty normal stretch for that sort of end-season percentage.

[Thaddy]

If he can't hit threes then he isn't a positive on the floor. He was supposed to be better than Siakam there, but it's a quarter way through the season and he's doing terribly.

The previous decade (well, 9 years) has him shooting 36.3% on 3.8 3PA/g. I think we can trust in his 3pt shot, my guy. Let's give him some time. This is a pretty normal stretch for that sort of end-season percentage.

We're 25% through the season. How much time do we need to give him?

If he hit even 1 of his 3pt shots last night instead of going 0/6 we could have won the game. Losing to the Lakers without Luka wasn't good.

The blame isn't entirely on Ingram, a bigger portion is on the lack of a back up C.

Blame pie:
65% GM
20% Darko - Start CMB!!!
15% Ingram

[tsherkin]

We're 25% through the season. How much time do we need to give him?

I mean, at least half the season. He's doing well enough in his core skills apart from these past couple of games. And a 36% shooter is inherently going to be very, very streaky. In his last 60+-game season, he also shot crap from 3 until December, then heated up. That's how that level of shooting works often enough.

*shrug*

We're all unhappy about his recent shooting, for sure, but a little perspective IS necessary.

[PushDaRock]

This is who Ingram is. It’s not Ingram’s fault. It’s the fault of the people on here who expected something different from a guy who has been in the league for 10 years. There’s a reason we got him for a single mediocre 1st and terrible contracts. There’s a reason he’s a “#1 option” yet the best yet the best he could get is 25% of the cap.

If Ingram were the player people around here thought he was he wouldn’t have been available for cheap.

Even with all the flaws, his talent level is high end. We were hoping to be able to optimize the things he does well, improve on some of the weaknesses a bit and get him playing a bit differently/smarter. We were able to do that with RJ so there was at least some optimism we could with Ingram too. Before the last 5 games, there were more positives than negatives. Bad habits are hard to break though and we have seen them resurface through this poor stretch of play.

We’re trying. He’s at the highest FG assisted % he’s ever been at. We’re trying to use his off-ball gravity more. Use him more as a finisher than initiator. All in all he’s about exactly who I expected him to be. I hoped we’d be able to scale his 3pt shooting more but that hasn’t materialized.

I guess I’m just a firm believer that after 10 seasons a guy is who he is. He’s a fine player who allows everyone else to fit into a better role. It feels like the posters complaining about his flaws never watched him play before this season.

His 3 point shot being broken right now has been hurting, makes everything that much more difficult. I would expect things to look better if he can get that back on track.

Nobody should expect huge changes from him, but we are talking about small adjustments here and there that would help get more out of him. If he's doing his volume scoring thing, shouldering the ISO's and converting at around 58-60 TS%, he's doing his job.

I would say the one surprise has been his AST% totally tanking. He's been in the upper 20's the last 5 seasons, doesn't make much sense that it's down to 16.8 AST% on a team that moves the ball as much as we do. There's probably some lack of comfort still in our system which would explain some of that.

[Tha Cynic]

Bad shots look worse when you’re missing the good ones and that’s what’s happened the last few games, especially against the Lakers. I thought his process with the Lakers was perfect on offence (except one or two shots but whatever), the shots just weren’t falling. It happens.

I don’t mind him getting the last shot either. That’s what he’s here for. He should only be giving it up if the D stifles the ball out of his hands.

I think the one thing I would focus on is changing his scouting report on offense. It most likely says right now that you can send a hard double when he receives the ball and he won’t pass when it’s crunch time. This needs to change. We can get much better looks. I think yesterday was the start of this process. He was actually looking to pass.

[brownbobcat]

Ingram has the attitude of a guy who thinks he's the franchise player, and he's being enabled by Darko and the staff. He is not playing within the flow of the system (what system?), and I notice he has a tendency to force tough middies when he hasn't gotten the ball in a while. He's basically Mamba mentality with Rudy Gay skill level. If he was on Miami Spo would have his ass nailed to the bench until he got his conditioning up, played with effort on defense and within the system on offense.This is shades of pre-championship, pre analytics, low expectation and low quality Craptor era basketball. We should not accept low quality play just because 'this is Canada and nobody wants to come here'.

The sky is not falling, this team will likely make the playoffs and not be as bad as years past. But this isn't a good foundation. We need a higher tier coaching staff that can use Ingram appropriately within a system, and hold him and others accountable for their effort and play.

This is who Ingram is. It’s not Ingram’s fault. It’s the fault of the people on here who expected something different from a guy who has been in the league for 10 years. There’s a reason we got him for a single mediocre 1st and terrible contracts. There’s a reason he’s a “#1 option” yet the best yet the best he could get is 25% of the cap.

If Ingram were the player people around here thought he was he wouldn’t have been available for cheap.

Why are people surprised that Brandon Ingram is playing like Brandon Ingram and not peak KD? He's 28, this is who he is. I'm just glad he's healthy.