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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1501 » by RoteSchroder » Tue Mar 4, 2025 5:53 am

dballislife wrote:i want 3 things and of course scoring star potential is 1 and then a big center prospect is 2...but if cooper harper vj tre ace kasparas are gone and khaman follows...i dont even know who i want after

the 3rd thing i want is big wing perimeter defender that can shoot the 3.....can we trade down for 2 lower 1st in 17-23 range and target both carter bryant and fleming?

i dont love a lot of guys in the 8-15 range on mocks cause of their piss poor defense


We either go after high upside players or players with a high floor, but have unique skills or are specialists that give them some borderline star upside.

If we go below 6-7, we can give Moustapha Thiam a draft promise. His mobility and movement defense doesn't seem to be where Maluach is now, but he's shown more offensive versatility and shot blocking. Fear is that his development stagnates and he ends up like Mo Bamba.

CMB is a high floor, two-way player who probably needs to transition to an SF/PF role and may take like 6 years to develop a dependable shot. Ppl don't want another Mogbo, but Mogbo with really good paint scoring isn't that bad.

Danny Wolf is fairly unique, but might end up as a bench player due to defense. He's also older.

Outside shot Jase Richardson rises if he keeps producing or improving. Not the best fit for us, but can't pass up on talent.

Haven't looked too much into Newell, just seems like a well-rounded two-way role player. Maybe has Jarrett Allen upside? At the moment for the 8-15 range, I'd look at Thiam, CMB, Wolf, Jase.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1502 » by Son Goku 25 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 11:54 am

I don't see Harper as a Raptor type pick, id honestly be really surprised if we picked him.

Out of top guys it's likely

Cooper
Ace
VJ

In that order.

After that it's hard to say what the order would be.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1503 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:03 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:I don't see Harper as a Raptor type pick, id honestly be really surprised if we picked him.

Out of top guys it's likely

Cooper
Ace
VJ

In that order.

After that it's hard to say what the order would be.


I think they absolutely take him. Masai has been feening for big guards forever. Harper will be a good one and we need a guard that attacks the rim. Not to mention the connection with his dad. I'd like to see his combine measurements
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1504 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:33 pm

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Son Goku 25 wrote:I don't see Harper as a Raptor type pick, id honestly be really surprised if we picked him.

Out of top guys it's likely

Cooper
Ace
VJ

In that order.

After that it's hard to say what the order would be.


I think they absolutely take him. Masai has been feening for big guards forever. Harper will be a good one and we need a guard that attacks the rim. Not to mention the connection with his dad. I'd like to see his combine measurements


I can see him trimming down for the combine to increase his vertical and agility. Also practicing the 3pt shooting drills.

He needs to practice FT's. He went 2 for 5 and they lost by only 2 to Michigan.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1505 » by Indeed » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:46 pm

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dballislife wrote:i want 3 things and of course scoring star potential is 1 and then a big center prospect is 2...but if cooper harper vj tre ace kasparas are gone and khaman follows...i dont even know who i want after

the 3rd thing i want is big wing perimeter defender that can shoot the 3.....can we trade down for 2 lower 1st in 17-23 range and target both carter bryant and fleming?

i dont love a lot of guys in the 8-15 range on mocks cause of their piss poor defense


We either go after high upside players or players with a high floor, but have unique skills or are specialists that give them some borderline star upside.

If we go below 6-7, we can give Moustapha Thiam a draft promise. His mobility and movement defense doesn't seem to be where Maluach is now, but he's shown more offensive versatility and shot blocking. Fear is that his development stagnates and he ends up like Mo Bamba.

CMB is a high floor, two-way player who probably needs to transition to an SF/PF role and may take like 6 years to develop a dependable shot. Ppl don't want another Mogbo, but Mogbo with really good paint scoring isn't that bad.

Danny Wolf is fairly unique, but might end up as a bench player due to defense. He's also older.

Outside shot Jase Richardson rises if he keeps producing or improving. Not the best fit for us, but can't pass up on talent.

Haven't looked too much into Newell, just seems like a well-rounded two-way role player. Maybe has Jarrett Allen upside? At the moment for the 8-15 range, I'd look at Thiam, CMB, Wolf, Jase.


Thiam seems to be next year, mid 1st.

CMB is low ceiling to me, his vertical isn't good, and he does not show enough to play on the perimeter.

Asa Newell is PF size, he doesn't have 7'4 wingspan to be Jarrett Allen. Maybe John Collins?

I think these are more in the 8-15 range:
Derik Queen, Asa Newell, Egor Demin, Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, Jeremiah Fears, Rasheer Fleming, Thomas Sorber, Jase Richardson.

These are pretty good prospects, just not someone who can bring us to the next level.
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Post#1506 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:53 pm

Indeed wrote:I think these are more in the 8-15 range:
Derik Queen, Asa Newell, Egor Demin, Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, Jeremiah Fears, Rasheer Fleming, Thomas Sorber, Jase Richardson.

These are pretty good prospects, just not someone who can bring us to the next level.


The next level players are Ingram and .... KD? Embiid?

Getting power finishers are 3pt shooting will help this team get to the next level. Boucher is too soft, need Fleming an Condon.

Thiam needs declare this season and play in the G-League like Chomche. His comp is a 7'2 Kel'el Ware.

Trade for KD and #30 to draft Thiam so he goes pro.

https://www.tiktok.com/@strictlybball/video/7267321517065784618

This video is from Aug 14, 2023 stating that he only started organized ball 2 years prior. :o So just 3.5 years ago. :o

Seems like he has every tool just needs a lot of PT with the 905.
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Post#1507 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:03 pm

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Post#1508 » by Indeed » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:12 pm

hyper316 wrote:I really like Danny Wolf, stretch big and can play perimeter def

What is he ranked?


We thought Dick can play perimeter defense as well. The scouting videos I saw, he isn't exactly a good defender, might mixed up on rotating to the wrong player, foot speed is not enough against guards.

Wolf is ranked in the late 1st, I believe.
He is an interesting player, and he will need to improve his 3 point shooting from 33.7% to 37%. Only 6 dunks in the season, and I don't think that will improve due to the limitation on athleticism. His mid-range at less than 40% would not be a bit concern if he isn't able to drive all the way against NBA quicker and bigger rotation players.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1509 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:25 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1510 » by Indeed » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:25 pm

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Indeed wrote:I think these are more in the 8-15 range:
Derik Queen, Asa Newell, Egor Demin, Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, Jeremiah Fears, Rasheer Fleming, Thomas Sorber, Jase Richardson.

These are pretty good prospects, just not someone who can bring us to the next level.


The next level players are Ingram and .... KD? Embiid?

Getting power finishers are 3pt shooting will help this team get to the next level. Boucher is too soft, need Fleming an Condon.

Thiam needs declare this season and play in the G-League like Chomche. His comp is a 7'2 Kel'el Ware.

Trade for KD and #30 to draft Thiam so he goes pro.

https://www.tiktok.com/@strictlybball/video/7267321517065784618

This video is from Aug 14, 2023 stating that he only started organized ball 2 years prior. :o So just 3.5 years ago. :o

Seems like he has every tool just needs a lot of PT with the 905.


Hardly see how we match the salary to acquire Durant, as both teams are in the tax. If we dump Barrett / Quickley for picks and fillers, then trade Barnes and fillers plus two or three picks for Durrant to match salary, that might work. But I am unsure how much better we are. Any time we acquire a big salary, it would be difficult to manage.

Anyway, Thiam is next draft.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1511 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:36 pm

I guess we can't blame him for just dunking and putting back bunnies. He tries like a 3 every game and misses. At least he shoots 75% FTs. He just seems like Derrick Lively with less shot-blocking skills, which is really good but limited.




https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=44099405

He really didn't need to send it into the stands. :roll: His teammate was on the wing and could've tapped it to him.

You can see Thiam often takes a little off the swipe to tap to a teammate or keep in bounds. At worst it's a 50/50 lose ball. If you can avoid blocking into the stands you do it because it's 100% back to the offense.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1512 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:45 pm

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hyper316 wrote:I really like Danny Wolf, stretch big and can play perimeter def

What is he ranked?


We thought Dick can play perimeter defense as well. The scouting videos I saw, he isn't exactly a good defender, might mixed up on rotating to the wrong player, foot speed is not enough against guards.

Wolf is ranked in the late 1st, I believe.
He is an interesting player, and he will need to improve his 3 point shooting from 33.7% to 37%. Only 6 dunks in the season, and I don't think that will improve due to the limitation on athleticism. His mid-range at less than 40% would not be a bit concern if he isn't able to drive all the way against NBA quicker and bigger rotation players.


He seems like a taller Brian Scalabrine / Kelly Olynyk mix.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1513 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:56 pm

Indeed wrote:
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Indeed wrote:I think these are more in the 8-15 range:
Derik Queen, Asa Newell, Egor Demin, Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant, Jeremiah Fears, Rasheer Fleming, Thomas Sorber, Jase Richardson.

These are pretty good prospects, just not someone who can bring us to the next level.


The next level players are Ingram and .... KD? Embiid?

Getting power finishers are 3pt shooting will help this team get to the next level. Boucher is too soft, need Fleming an Condon.

Thiam needs declare this season and play in the G-League like Chomche. His comp is a 7'2 Kel'el Ware.

Trade for KD and #30 to draft Thiam so he goes pro.

https://www.tiktok.com/@strictlybball/video/7267321517065784618

This video is from Aug 14, 2023 stating that he only started organized ball 2 years prior. :o So just 3.5 years ago. :o

Seems like he has every tool just needs a lot of PT with the 905.


Hardly see how we match the salary to acquire Durant, as both teams are in the tax. If we dump Barrett / Quickley for picks and fillers, then trade Barnes and fillers plus two or three picks for Durrant to match salary, that might work. But I am unsure how much better we are. Any time we acquire a big salary, it would be difficult to manage.

Anyway, Thiam is next draft.


If he keeps up this level he's this year.

Barrett, Poeltl and ? Agbaji or Dick for KD, Richards and #30.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1514 » by Basketball_Jones » Tue Mar 4, 2025 4:07 pm

Newell is the guy I think. I like the idea of lineup versatility with him either going really big or small ball. Off chance he develops into high end starter then we’ve hit a home run as well. VJ or Tre won’t drop to us and Kasp has no position on this team imo.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1515 » by Indeed » Tue Mar 4, 2025 4:17 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
The next level players are Ingram and .... KD? Embiid?

Getting power finishers are 3pt shooting will help this team get to the next level. Boucher is too soft, need Fleming an Condon.

Thiam needs declare this season and play in the G-League like Chomche. His comp is a 7'2 Kel'el Ware.

Trade for KD and #30 to draft Thiam so he goes pro.

https://www.tiktok.com/@strictlybball/video/7267321517065784618

This video is from Aug 14, 2023 stating that he only started organized ball 2 years prior. :o So just 3.5 years ago. :o

Seems like he has every tool just needs a lot of PT with the 905.


Hardly see how we match the salary to acquire Durant, as both teams are in the tax. If we dump Barrett / Quickley for picks and fillers, then trade Barnes and fillers plus two or three picks for Durrant to match salary, that might work. But I am unsure how much better we are. Any time we acquire a big salary, it would be difficult to manage.

Anyway, Thiam is next draft.


If he keeps up this level he's this year.

Barrett, Poeltl and ? Agbaji or Dick for KD, Richards and #30.


The lineup without Barrett and Poeltl might work, but now we depend on the health of 2 players in Durrant and Ingram.
As for the Suns, I think they are looking for picks and salary relieve, so I am unsure we are the best trading partner for them.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1516 » by Pointgod » Tue Mar 4, 2025 4:33 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:sure fire

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Laughable that some posters claim this kid ain’t worth tanking for. He might not be Wemby/Lebron level generational but he’s as close to can’t miss as you can get.
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Post#1517 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 4:59 pm

Pointgod wrote:
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Laughable that some posters claim this kid ain’t worth tanking for. He might not be Wemby/Lebron level generational but he’s as close to can’t miss as you can get.


He's already like Scottie but can already hit the 3. Also slightly better handles.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1518 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 5:17 pm

Indeed wrote:
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Hardly see how we match the salary to acquire Durant, as both teams are in the tax. If we dump Barrett / Quickley for picks and fillers, then trade Barnes and fillers plus two or three picks for Durrant to match salary, that might work. But I am unsure how much better we are. Any time we acquire a big salary, it would be difficult to manage.

Anyway, Thiam is next draft.


If he keeps up this level he's this year.

Barrett, Poeltl and ? Agbaji or Dick for KD, Richards and #30.


The lineup without Barrett and Poeltl might work, but now we depend on the health of 2 players in Durrant and Ingram.
As for the Suns, I think they are looking for picks and salary relieve, so I am unsure we are the best trading partner for them.


Re-unite RJ with Zion? New Orleans sends CJ McCollum, Kelly Olynyk and the 2026 1st pick (Ind) to Phoenix. We send Barrett and Poeltl to New Orleans, while sending the 2025 2nd pick (Por) to Phoenix.

PG Dejounte - Alvarado
SG Barrett - Hawkins/Reeves
SF Murphy - Herb
PF Zion - Herb - Matkovic
C Poeltl - Missi

Oooooh, add Flagg, Harper, Bailey, etc and that is a playoff team.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1519 » by Psubs » Tue Mar 4, 2025 6:21 pm



His voice is dry but nice to see others seeing Fleming as a fit for this team that wants to compete next year.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1520 » by RoteSchroder » Tue Mar 4, 2025 6:21 pm

after watching some Traore highlights, his shooting form doesn't look as bad as I thought it did, although I don't think he'll ever be a step back jumper type of player

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