Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0

[ItsDanger]

If Karim Mane is that good, why didn't we pick him at #59 if he was eligible for the 2019 draft? 6'4 with 7'0 wingspan?

[Vexxed]

It drives me crazy that every single NBA Canadian is not eager to play. They don't seem to realize that playing a tough FIBA tourney can only HELP their careers, never hurt them. Far better training than any summer league or G league.

We hear so much about the Vince Carter effect, and how many Canucks in the NBA now, it is just so stupid that they do not all play every chance they get.

And now we have the highly respected NBA championship coach on top of everything else. Just play already

I don't know what it's like now but historically Basketball Canada has been so Mickey Mouse it made early days Raptors look like a model organization. Over the years, Jay and others have done a ton to alienate Canadian talent. My experience with the org dates back 15yrs or so ago so honestly a ton may have changed but I have yet to see any signs of it. Most of our guys still don't want anything to do with them.

[mojo13]

If Karim Mane is that good, why didn't we pick him at #59 if he was eligible for the 2019 draft? 6'4 with 7'0 wingspan?

He did not declare for the 2019 draft. He really just came on the scouts radar this spring with a breakout performance in AAU ball. I didn’t know his name before that, but I don’t really follow the high school scene.
He is not yet in college - still in the Quebec cegep system (I believe) - which to this day I am not sure what that is. Is it a JuCo type system?

[Double Helix]

When will we know our FIBA lineup?

[Chriscross]

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[gundysmullet]

If Karim Mane is that good, why didn't we pick him at #59 if he was eligible for the 2019 draft? 6'4 with 7'0 wingspan?

He did not declare for the 2019 draft. He really just came on the scouts radar this spring with a breakout performance in AAU ball. I didn’t know his name before that, but I don’t really follow the high school scene.
He is not yet in college - still in the Quebec cegep system (I believe) - which to this day I am not sure what that is. Is it a JuCo type system?

In the state it would be called a “prep” school. Basically an extra year of high school.

[mojo13]

When will we know our FIBA lineup?

Supposed to drop today or tomorrow from what I heard (friend of a friend who is connected type rumor - no first hand knowledge).

Starting to get some snippets of non-surprising commitments such as this:

Read on Twitter

Those three have been exclusively used in all the marketing material for the past 3-4 months.


And a day after Rich Paul client Ben Simmons drops from the WC, Rich Paul client Anthony Davis drops out. No surprise here, but this is certainly good news for anyone hoping to upset the USA. As good as AD is, those shooters like Beal and Harden are probably more valuable though. The last time the USA was really vulnerable (and beat) they had very weak shooting.

So if the above Tweet is true and we have KO - Murray is the next big domino to fall in place. With them, I think we have the pieces to contend for a medal - as we have enough role players to fill in around. Starting to think Stauskas is more important than most may think as well. Would love to see him as key guard/wing off the bench.

[Hair Canada]

If Karim Mane is that good, why didn't we pick him at #59 if he was eligible for the 2019 draft? 6'4 with 7'0 wingspan?

He did not declare for the 2019 draft. He really just came on the scouts radar this spring with a breakout performance in AAU ball. I didn’t know his name before that, but I don’t really follow the high school scene.
He is not yet in college - still in the Quebec cegep system (I believe) - which to this day I am not sure what that is. Is it a JuCo type system?

In the state it would be called a “prep” school. Basically an extra year of high school.

Not exactly. Actually, it's 2-3 years. Kids in QC have 11 years of school and then go to CEGEP for 2-3 years. some of them then continue to university. So ye, closer to JuCo in spirit, but also not exactly that. In terms of basketball, it means that most prospects who stay in QC would have another year (sometimes two), similar to a post-grad/13th year that guys like Iggy or Lu Dort did in Ontario.

[mojo13]

He did not declare for the 2019 draft. He really just came on the scouts radar this spring with a breakout performance in AAU ball. I didn’t know his name before that, but I don’t really follow the high school scene.
He is not yet in college - still in the Quebec cegep system (I believe) - which to this day I am not sure what that is. Is it a JuCo type system?

In the state it would be called a “prep” school. Basically an extra year of high school.

Not exactly. Actually, it's 2-3 years. Kids in QC have 11 years of school and then go to CEGEP for 2-3 years. some of them then continue to university. So ye, closer to JuCo in spirit, but also not exactly that. In terms of basketball, it means that most prospects who stay in QC would have another year (sometimes two), similar to a post-grad/13th year that guys like Iggy or Lu Dort did in Ontario.

As we discussed here Mane is the same age as AJ Lawson who is going into his sophomore year at NC State.
Mane is picking up a ton of NCAA interest from his spring AAU and U19 performace. Maryland supposedly offered him today.Kansas and Kentucky supposedly in the mix too.
What I didn't understand are those offers for 2020? What does he gain staying in Cegep for another year at age 19? Or is he expected to enter the NCAA this fall?

[Double Helix]

When will we know our FIBA lineup?

Supposed to drop today or tomorrow from what I heard (friend of a friend who is connected type rumor - no first hand knowledge).

Starting to get some snippets of non-surprising commitments such as this:

Read on Twitter

Those three have been exclusively used in all the marketing material for the past 3-4 months.


And a day after Rich Paul client Ben Simmons drops from the WC, Rich Paul client Anthony Davis drops out. No surprise here, but this is certainly good news for anyone hoping to upset the USA. As good as AD is, those shooters like Beal and Harden are probably more valuable though. The last time the USA was really vulnerable (and beat) they had very weak shooting.

So if the above Tweet is true and we have KO - Murray is the next big domino to fall in place. With them, I think we have the pieces to contend for a medal - as we have enough role players to fill in around. Starting to think Stauskas is more important than most may think as well. Would love to see him as key guard/wing off the bench.

Nurse as coach has to help here. Stauskas in particular was rumored to have issues with Triano, as did Andrew Wiggins and his camp. Stauskas was involved with broadcasting the Raptors playoff drive so I’m confident that the Nurse news excited him and completely changed his opinion of this. Triano put some of the players off.

Any word on SGA?

[Hair Canada]

In the state it would be called a “prep” school. Basically an extra year of high school.

Not exactly. Actually, it's 2-3 years. Kids in QC have 11 years of school and then go to CEGEP for 2-3 years. some of them then continue to university. So ye, closer to JuCo in spirit, but also not exactly that. In terms of basketball, it means that most prospects who stay in QC would have another year (sometimes two), similar to a post-grad/13th year that guys like Iggy or Lu Dort did in Ontario.

As we discussed here Mane is the same age as AJ Lawson who is going into his sophomore year at NC State.
Mane is picking up a ton of NCAA interest from his spring AAU and U19 performace. Maryland supposedly offered him today.Kansas and Kentucky supposedly in the mix too.
What I didn't understand are those offers for 2020? What does he gain staying in Cegep for another year at age 19? Or is he expected to enter the NCAA this fall?

As far as I understand from seeing an interview with him, he's just not done with school yet. He said that in all likelihood he'll stay in QC another year. After that though, he'll seriously consider skipping college and entering the draft next summer. I do agree that from a basketball viewpoint, he doesn't gain much from another year in QC. The competition is about the same level as the OSBA in Ontario, which is not terribly high. But one could argue that if he chooses to then not go to college, his draft stock might be high, simply because of the intrigue around his tools.

Now, in all honesty, I don't quite see what ESPN is seeing here. Yes, he's athletic and long. Yes, he can shoot some and has a good first step. But decision making at this point is quite poor (almost 1:1 assist/TO rate is not lying and he often charged into a wall). Shooting is also fairly poor. Take away the first half of that first game, where he was cooking from three, and he shot just 9/34 (26%) from that range, 50% from the line, and 40% from 2, almost all of them layups. So yes, there's potential, but for me he'd have to make huge steps to be even at the level of someone like Dort. I think if he went to college now his weaknesses would be exposed and he'd be free falling in these mock-draft assessments. Lawson at the same age (that is, 3 months younger) is way more advanced with his basketball IQ and shooting, and he's a borderline NBA prospect himself at this point.

[gundysmullet]

In the state it would be called a “prep” school. Basically an extra year of high school.

Not exactly. Actually, it's 2-3 years. Kids in QC have 11 years of school and then go to CEGEP for 2-3 years. some of them then continue to university. So ye, closer to JuCo in spirit, but also not exactly that. In terms of basketball, it means that most prospects who stay in QC would have another year (sometimes two), similar to a post-grad/13th year that guys like Iggy or Lu Dort did in Ontario.

As we discussed here Mane is the same age as AJ Lawson who is going into his sophomore year at NC State.
Mane is picking up a ton of NCAA interest from his spring AAU and U19 performace. Maryland supposedly offered him today.Kansas and Kentucky supposedly in the mix too.
What I didn't understand are those offers for 2020? What does he gain staying in Cegep for another year at age 19? Or is he expected to enter the NCAA this fall?

Minor correction, Lawson goes to the University of South Carolina

[Bruin]

Brandon Clarke won MVP of the Summer league

[mojo13]

Brandon Clarke won MVP of the Summer league

And NAW and Clarke First Team - Boucher 2nd team.


Heat sign Kyle Alexander to a deal. Terms undisclosed but probably just a camp deal, with a little guaranteed 50k?
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-signs-kyle-alexander-190715?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_heat&utm_campaign=heatdotcom_pressrelease

[WaltFrazier]

It drives me crazy that every single NBA Canadian is not eager to play. They don't seem to realize that playing a tough FIBA tourney can only HELP their careers, never hurt them. Far better training than any summer league or G league.

We hear so much about the Vince Carter effect, and how many Canucks in the NBA now, it is just so stupid that they do not all play every chance they get.

And now we have the highly respected NBA championship coach on top of everything else. Just play already

I don't know what it's like now but historically Basketball Canada has been so Mickey Mouse it made early days Raptors look like a model organization. Over the years, Jay and others have done a ton to alienate Canadian talent. My experience with the org dates back 15yrs or so ago so honestly a ton may have changed but I have yet to see any signs of it. Most of our guys still don't want anything to do with them.

Just curious, your experience goes back 15 years as what? Some connection to Basketball Canada, or as a fan?

Anyway, I assume Basketball Canada's issues are about money, it's not like they receive huge sponsor money like Hockey Canada. This may make it seem mickey mouse to NBA players. But so what. They should just all play. Esp now we got Nick Nurse.

[mojo13]

No roster today - hopefully tomorrow.


Donovan Bennett is saying Wiggins is out.

Read on Twitter

?s=21

[Kingsway_fan]

Wiggins is trash..no loss.

[frumble]

So if the above Tweet is true and we have KO - Murray is the next big domino to fall in place. With them, I think we have the pieces to contend for a medal - as we have enough role players to fill in around. [b]Starting to think Stauskas is more important than most may think as well.[/b] Would love to see him as key guard/wing off the bench.

Definitely. We will likely be seeing a lot of sets with 3 guards, and Stauskas' size will be beneficial.

Further, as poor as Stauskas' outside shooting has been in the NBA, its not like we have other guys who are particularly strong in this area.

Stauskas would definitely be a key guy off the bench, and perhaps even a starter, depending on whether Murray and SGA are there.

[Alfred]

No roster today - hopefully tomorrow.


Donovan Bennett is saying Wiggins is out.

Read on Twitter

?s=21

Might even be addition by subtraction. I’d love it if Murray could play though.

[Mattd97]

If Wiggins isnt playing it is absolutely a loss if he plays anything like he did as one of our youngest guys the last time he suited up for us at FIBA Americas. One of the best players in the tournament. And if Murray doesnt play we are going to need that scoring he provides