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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1541 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:29 am

FVV would be a hit in philly. Leader, tough, clutch and can average 20 a game and can shoot 3’s.

Raps highly value him and thats likely the most we’ll offer with other fillers.

If theres a deal, its gonna be a 3 teamer. Portland desperate to add too to help out Lillard.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1542 » by God Squad » Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:49 am

I'm not sure we're great trade partners with the Sixers. I like Ben more than most on Realgm, so for it it'll depend on the asking price. I'm all for it Masai is sending a low ball offer though.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1543 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:14 pm

Although it's impossible, Morey's best revenge on Klutch would be to send him to the Lakers and effectively kill LeBron's last chance at a title.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1544 » by ash_k » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:33 pm

PG Simmons | SG GTjr | SF OG| PF Siakam
Easily a top4, with current version of Ben...now if he adds 3 or 4 jumpers per game and raise his Free Throws to 70% then there is no limit to where we could go with that defense.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1545 » by Swag » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:49 pm

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I never said he was better from 3. Neither can shoot worth **** and at least Simmons knows this and does not chuck away and waste possessions. I take it you disagree with my thoughts on Siakam defensively then?


You didn't post any real thoughts on his defense. Just some hot take insult that has nothing to do with reality. As is saying their shooting is equally bad. That's just dumb.


I was not aware that Siakam had family members on real gm. That is the only reason to think someone would be in denial and think he is a better overall player than Ben Simmons. :lol:


I'm not a Pascal Siakam fan but when you make a statement that Ben Simmons shoots a better percentage from 3, you're either misleading the conversation or you're playing a round of hot takes. Either way, its not a solid argument.

I'd rather have Pascal chuck from 3 and shoot it at 25% than have a my PG afraid for his life, to shoot the ball from 18 feet.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1546 » by Kingsway_fan » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:52 pm

Looks great on Morley.. what a sht show and fk up by him and phily.

First, they totally fk up not going after Lowry big time.

Then they totally overestimate Simmons... lucky now yo get 50 cents on the dollar back.

... what a royal fk up for phily...
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1547 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:17 pm

ash_k wrote:PG Simmons | SG GTjr | SF OG| PF Siakam
Easily a top4, with current version of Ben...now if he adds 3 or 4 jumpers per game and raise his Free Throws to 70% then there is no limit to where we could go with that defense.
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Seems like an incredibly dumb risk. The team already has a high defensive ceiling with Fred and the growth of OG and eventually Scottie Barnes. Your giving up at minimum 9 3PAs from Fred, which shrinks the floor in the half court. Plus Fred's leadership, etc. The guy who had the stones to close down the Oracle v. the guy who has repeatedly tried to hide on the court in the playoffs.

This deal made some sense when it was for Siakam. It makes no sense when it's for OG or Fred.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1548 » by Swag » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:31 pm

Morey totally f'cked this up. Yes, you be patient but now the longer he waits, the lower the value drops.

But this is actually great for the NBA. These are the dog days but now everyone is talking about this chit show.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1550 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:44 pm

Ben Simmons is not a point guard...he is an elite playmaking/defensive 4.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1551 » by djsunyc » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:55 pm

can you imagine ben having to play at home in philly in front of those fans next year? lol - they would crucify him every time he passes on a shot. it's too late - he can't go back there.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1553 » by ash_k » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:07 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ash_k wrote:PG Simmons | SG GTjr | SF OG| PF Siakam
Easily a top4, with current version of Ben...now if he adds 3 or 4 jumpers per game and raise his Free Throws to 70% then there is no limit to where we could go with that defense.
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Seems like an incredibly dumb risk. The team already has a high defensive ceiling with Fred and the growth of OG and eventually Scottie Barnes. Your giving up at minimum 9 3PAs from Fred, which shrinks the floor in the half court. Plus Fred's leadership, etc. The guy who had the stones to close down the Oracle v. the guy who has repeatedly tried to hide on the court in the playoffs.

This deal made some sense when it was for Siakam. It makes no sense when it's for OG or Fred.

I am big on FVV too I dont need any convincing about how special he is at 5'11. His leadership and all.
But If the philosophy is to (fully) go positionless then Ben would epitomize that philosophy. Fred is a great defender, but Ben is the best perimeter defender in the entire league at 6'10. Both GTjr and OG are 40% 3pt shooters: Ben's penetration's would give them more open 3s. Ben will be just fine without a dominant center
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1554 » by vulture » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:08 pm

djsunyc wrote:can you imagine ben having to play at home in philly in front of those fans next year? lol - they would crucify him every time he passes on a shot. it's too late - he can't go back there.


the dude would get booed every time he touches the ball.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1556 » by TRex520 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:22 pm

Simmons is interesting fit. A defensive end nightmare. Especially if him, OG, Scottie, Pascal and Achiuwa on the court. However, the O will be brutal.

I don't see him wanna come up, he is not getting enough fame here. Plus, he is attention whore, and he just wanna date models. He wanna go LA.

Maybe GS will be a place for him. Flip Wiggins (maybe with a first or Wiseman/Moody) for him. GSW needs to win, and it will help them as Klay and Curry are outside threat.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1557 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:23 pm

ash_k wrote:
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ash_k wrote:PG Simmons | SG GTjr | SF OG| PF Siakam
Easily a top4, with current version of Ben...now if he adds 3 or 4 jumpers per game and raise his Free Throws to 70% then there is no limit to where we could go with that defense.
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Seems like an incredibly dumb risk. The team already has a high defensive ceiling with Fred and the growth of OG and eventually Scottie Barnes. Your giving up at minimum 9 3PAs from Fred, which shrinks the floor in the half court. Plus Fred's leadership, etc. The guy who had the stones to close down the Oracle v. the guy who has repeatedly tried to hide on the court in the playoffs.

This deal made some sense when it was for Siakam. It makes no sense when it's for OG or Fred.

I am big on FVV too I dont need any convincing about how special is at 5'11. His leadership and all.
But If the philosophy is to (fully) go positionless then Ben would epitomize that philosophy. Fred is a great defender, but Ben is the best perimeter defender in the entire league at 6'10. Both GTjr and OG are 40% 3pt shooters: Ben's penetration's would give them more open 3s. Ben will be just fine without a dominant center


I didn't say he needs a dominant centre, but he needs a shooting center and good ones are rare. Especially at the price point the Raptors would have to offer once his salary is exchanged (he makes way more than Fred).

As for penetration, DRIVES/game

Fred = 14.8, 36.8 minutes, 13.3 assist % off drives.
Simmons = 10.2/32 minutes, 9.5 assist % off drives.

There's not an advantage there, imo. Then factor in that 1/3 of his offensive possessions are transition. For Fred it's 1/5th. I'd be absolutely floored if the Raptors even considered this.
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1558 » by HangTime » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:25 pm

If Ben refuses to report, do his fines come off the salary cap?
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1559 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:27 pm

Crying Embiid returns :lol:
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Re: Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons 

Post#1560 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:28 pm

This is a bad time to look at Mavs and Sixers twitter to see what their fans are proposing.

Actually, anytime is a bad time to look at another teams' twitter.

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