2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[dukes_wild]

But still, Hali is overrated here. I feel more ppl are focused on the 2 way label he's had even before he was drafted than what he's actually done.

He's had some games but more times than not his stat line is meh.

Hali's impact goes far beyond his stats though. Also since his slow start, since December 1st he's averaging 15/8.5/4 on 48/43/85 splits with only 2.5 turnovers a game. He's been running the offense a ton with Fox missing several games recently.

oh he's one of those guys who you don't see it in the stats or the wins...

I'll pass. Those guys are always overrated and no one will ever judge them fairly bc regardless of the stats they put up or how they play, you'll just say this every time

Clearly you've just never watched the guy play. Which is fine, just don't act like you know a player if you don't watch them play

[NotMyKawhi]

Hali's impact goes far beyond his stats though. Also since his slow start, since December 1st he's averaging 15/8.5/4 on 48/43/85 splits with only 2.5 turnovers a game. He's been running the offense a ton with Fox missing several games recently.

oh he's one of those guys who you don't see it in the stats or the wins...

I'll pass. Those guys are always overrated and no one will ever judge them fairly bc regardless of the stats they put up or how they play, you'll just say this every time

Clearly you've just never watched the guy play. Which is fine, just don't act like you know a player if you don't watch them play

I've watched him play, he's nice. He's not Ja, he's not lamelo, he's not Cade, he's not Garland, I'd say his value is just a little higher than RJ Barrett

[Asif16]

I also think we need more guard help than Big man. We legit lack a Guard with ball-handling abilities over who's over 6'3.

Outside of FVV, all our guys dribble the ball like a grenade

[PoundTown]

I also think we need more guard help than Big man. We legit lack a Guard with ball-handling abilities over who's over 6'3.

Outside of FVV, all our guys dribble the ball like a grenade

Agreed, a wing with some creation ability would be nice. Cody Martin intrigues me as an off season signing, and will be interesting to see what Vic Oladipo looks like when he returns. Finding a reliable vet wing off the bench would be a nice addition to our squad next year.

[Gavin_TDThree]

What's the deal with Theo Maledon? I remember him getting a ton of love around here last year.

I wonder if we could flip a second for him and give him a shot in our developmental system. He's still only 20

[NotMyKawhi]

What's the deal with Theo Maledon? I remember him getting a ton of love around here last year.

I wonder if we could flip a second for him and give him a shot in our developmental system. He's still only 20

They won't give him up for a 2nd

We should pick up Daishen Nix! He's so legit now. He's put in the work. Shot is so much better. More slim. Always had a great feel for the game.


This guy Nix, i promise, will be in the league. Only 19 and the best player, will win MVP, in the G League

[RapsFanInOhio]

Dunc'd On podcast brought up Dragic for Malik Beasley.
Timberwolves get out of his 15M owed for next year (team option for 2023-24). Raptors get a playable bench guard? He's definitely a little overpaid but our bench situation is so dire.

Yes

[Ell Curry]

I also think we need more guard help than Big man. We legit lack a Guard with ball-handling abilities over who's over 6'3.

Outside of FVV, all our guys dribble the ball like a grenade

I could see Devincenzo for Boucher happening.

Bucks get another stretchy big to play with Giannis when Portis sits since Lopez is 33 (34 by the playoffs) has back issues, and it sets them up nicely (if they're good with paying the tax to keep Giannis happy) for a deal either now or more likely in the summer or next year's deadline of Lopez's expiring and a first for another rotation guy. They're 29th in bench scoring and this would obviously help with that quite a bit.

DeVincenzo has obviously struggled a lot since coming back from the injury this year, but he was looking like a rotation 2 guard before and he might be cheap to re-sign unless the Pistons love him and don't use their space on Brunson or Tyus Jones, which they probably should do instead anyways. Devincenzo has handle and is a big guard who has played good defense before.

Boucher is killing it right now and we might get worse this year, but it's similar to the Norm for Trent deal IF we like DeVincenzo that much. He's such a wild card I have no idea if Masai will see him as a potential starting 2 guard we can resign for say 30/3 and pay him for his age 25-27 seasons instead of paying Boucher for his age 29-31 seasons, or a guy who wasn't that good in the first place, is already 25 (and played guard for 3 years at Villanova so should be ready by now, as that's a quality education as Brunson and others show) and might have ankle problems again at some point.

Sexton is the other similar RFA type, but he's tiny and also would have to be a 3 way as Cleveland needs a 2/3 and not another big.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Looks like Poeltl's price has gone up and the Raptors are now looking at Daniel Theis.

Would Theis even make that big a difference on our team? Can be provide much more than Birch/Achuiwa? Maybe he's a little more consistent, but I really don't see him moving the needle

[CanadaB-Ball]

But still, Hali is overrated here. I feel more ppl are focused on the 2 way label he's had even before he was drafted than what he's actually done.

He's had some games but more times than not his stat line is meh.

Hali's impact goes far beyond his stats though. Also since his slow start, since December 1st he's averaging 15/8.5/4 on 48/43/85 splits with only 2.5 turnovers a game. He's been running the offense a ton with Fox missing several games recently.

oh he's one of those guys who you don't see it in the stats or the wins...

I'll pass. Those guys are always overrated and no one will ever judge them fairly bc regardless of the stats they put up or how they play, you'll just say this every time

Haliburton’s hovering around the top-50 in the league with respect to his impact, based on his average ranking in ten catch-alls— LEBRON, RAPTOR, EPM, BPM and Game Score, and their rate equivalents.

No one else on the Kings is in the top-100. Hali’s a special talent.

[Rodrickle]

Looks like Poeltl's price has gone up and the Raptors are now looking at Daniel Theis.

Would Theis even make that big a difference on our team? Can be provide much more than Birch/Achuiwa? Maybe he's a little more consistent, but I really don't see him moving the needle

Definitely won't make a big difference, aside from having his reasonable contract beyond this year as opposed to expiring Boucher. As much as Boucher is flawed, he does give us positive impact on both ends.

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[HumbleRen]

Hali's impact goes far beyond his stats though. Also since his slow start, since December 1st he's averaging 15/8.5/4 on 48/43/85 splits with only 2.5 turnovers a game. He's been running the offense a ton with Fox missing several games recently.

oh he's one of those guys who you don't see it in the stats or the wins...

I'll pass. Those guys are always overrated and no one will ever judge them fairly bc regardless of the stats they put up or how they play, you'll just say this every time

Haliburton’s hovering around the top-50 in the league with respect to his impact, based on his average ranking in ten catch-alls— LEBRON, RAPTOR, EPM, BPM and Game Score, and their rate equivalents.

No one else on the Kings is in the top-100. Hali’s a special talent.

Only 21 as well, can easily make a Garland leap in his 3rd year.

[mtcan]

Would you trade Fred VanVleet for Dejounte Murray? Why? To go all in on having all tall boy lineups.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Would you trade Fred VanVleet for Dejounte Murray? Why? To go all in on having all tall boy lineups.

no. and SA wouldn't trade for FVV either. the timelines don't match.

[dukes_wild]

Would you trade Fred VanVleet for Dejounte Murray? Why? To go all in on having all tall boy lineups.

no. and SA wouldn't trade for FVV either. the timelines don't match.

Not to mention Dejounte is just a far better player than FVV

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Would you trade Fred VanVleet for Dejounte Murray? Why? To go all in on having all tall boy lineups.

no. and SA wouldn't trade for FVV either. the timelines don't match.

Not to mention Dejounte is just a far better player than FVV

overall I would say Dejounte is a better player

but FVV is the superior shooter. and just way more efficient at it. if we had DM vs FVV I don't know if this team would be the same or worse. (probably worse since we would lose FVV's shooting)

[tecumseh18]

no. and SA wouldn't trade for FVV either. the timelines don't match.

Not to mention Dejounte is just a far better player than FVV

overall I would say Dejounte is a better player

but FVV is the superior shooter. and just way more efficient at it. if we had DM vs FVV I don't know if this team would be the same or worse. (probably worse since we would lose FVV's shooting)

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Not to mention Dejounte is just a far better player than FVV

overall I would say Dejounte is a better player

but FVV is the superior shooter. and just way more efficient at it. if we had DM vs FVV I don't know if this team would be the same or worse. (probably worse since we would lose FVV's shooting)

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

true. FVV's defense is also outstanding as well. obv if FVV was taller, he would be closer to Dejounte Murray in terms of rebounding and playmaking (probably)

[dukes_wild]

Not to mention Dejounte is just a far better player than FVV

overall I would say Dejounte is a better player

but FVV is the superior shooter. and just way more efficient at it. if we had DM vs FVV I don't know if this team would be the same or worse. (probably worse since we would lose FVV's shooting)

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

[Madhouse]

Would you trade Fred VanVleet for Dejounte Murray? Why? To go all in on having all tall boy lineups.

Easily.