Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[StopitLeo]

Dallas ain't trading you Derek Lively for Siakam and a washed Poeltl. Dont even waste your time.

Maybe last offseason but he's their prized youngster now who isn't being dealt for a rental.

That’s fine. Dallas can settle for another early playoff exit. Kyrie isn’t getting any younger so if they wanna capitalize on winning something while Luka still has him as a sidekick

They probably think they can get him on a sign and trade this summer. Siakam and his folks will request it and Masai will oblige them by taking THJ and Richaun Holmes off their hands. Lowry-Miami 2.0

"It was important we did right by the player."

Dallas should be operating with more sense of urgency. They could easily lose in the first round again or even miss the playoffs if they have a bad stretch. Luka's going to want out if they don't start winning.

A plan based on thinking they will be able to get Pascal in a S&T in the summer is ridiculous.

Even in the best-case scenario for Lively's development I don't see him being enough to where the Mavs are a threat to make the Finals in the next two years. You can win a championship without a Lively-type player but it's very rare to win one without two high-level perimeter scorers with size and at the moment they only have one in Luka. A starting lineup with Luka, Kyrie, Pascal, and Poeltl? That team is a legit contender.

[Wise80]

Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

Because we can offer him the most money possible and he can simply demand a trade afterwards like so many stars do nowadays. The meta has changed.

Then why hasn't it been done? I get that point of thinking in the off season (for Pascal). If he had a great year and the Raptors overachieved, then there could of been serious money on the table.

But now? It's clear the raptors don't want him or even need him. They're bad regardless of him.

If they've talked about an extension and getting a 5th year. Then why are they shoping him? You aren't negotiating with him all year and trying to trade him all year at the same time. If you've talked to him about moving on, then you know which teams he would be open to. Yet here is Pascal telling teams he won't re up. Just doesn't make any sense. It feels personal and like another poster said, he might already knows where he's going and is content finishing it up here and screwing over the raptors and then signing outright.

[ForeverTFC]

Waiting till the deadline at this stage makes no sense. We're just wasting time when we should be developing chemistry between the team. You can't chance this in free agency or you're looking at a Lowry like return while Siakam changes more money in a sign and trade. At that stage even Barnes, Huerter and pick is better.

Throw in Davion and I'll take the deal. Davion can play POA defense.

Davion and Sengun were my picks before we got 4th

Davion stinks man. I had high hopes for him coming out of Baylor but he's Flynn level bad, if not worse.

He's worse...

[Wise80]

Okay, at this point its either:

1) There is some serious beef between him and management

OR

2) He knows that other teams are not going to give him the 5th year.

It's the only way I can make sense of this. The Raptors are not that great of a team, from a personal or basketball standpoint and any other team that obtains him via trade can also offer the very same 5th year we can. So he's that serious about getting his 5th year (which is completely fine), why not offer a list of teams with which he is willing to re-sign? That way, both him and the team can move on from this mess.

Instead, he remains adamant that he wants to re-up here. Why? As I said earlier, we can't possibly be that great. We've been shopping him on and off for the better part of a year now and it's clear that the team is headed in a different direction so what's the issue? Why make this a bigger deal than it needs to be?

I think he knows that other teams will not give him the 5th year and Masai can't afford to have him walk for nothing. So if he wants a 5th year, his best chance of getting it is here.

But as I and others have said repeatedly - this is on Ujiri. You would think that after taking back garbage for Lowry and losing an All-Star for nothing, he would have learned to not do this. But for some reason, he seems insistent on doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. This is part of my issue with him as a leader - just very slow man.

There is a plausible explanation though: Pascal is going to Philly.

If true, it makes it all make sense. Philly's not gonna trade for him because they can sign him outright in the summer. Pascal is not gonna lie to a team and say he will resign because he's already made up his mind in going to Philly. So that means he's a rental for any other team.

I think the most plausible scenario is Pascal is angling for a 5 year max or near max 5 year contract this summer. It’s all about the 5th year. Whoever offers it will get him. He’s going to ransom Toronto or whoever holds his Bird Rights to get it with the threat of leaving for nothing, using Philly as leverage as long as they keep cap space available. He’s going to the top bidder. He might be willing to negotiate more with Dallas (4 vs 5 years and salary) because of taxes, climate, and family, but end of day, he goes to top bidder.

Personally I can’t wait until he’s gone. Pascal cares about Pascal, it is evident in his play. I care about the Raptors. Our priorities are in conflict. **** him at this point.

I get it. But it just seems like that's not going about it the right way. If you're angling for a 5th year and at the same time squashing trades of yourself by the team you want a 5th year from. That tells me 2 things. 1) the team doesn't want you. 2) pissing them off by sinking your value isn't the best way to get more money from them.

[ArthurVandelay]

There is a plausible explanation though: Pascal is going to Philly.

If true, it makes it all make sense. Philly's not gonna trade for him because they can sign him outright in the summer. Pascal is not gonna lie to a team and say he will resign because he's already made up his mind in going to Philly. So that means he's a rental for any other team.

I think the most plausible scenario is Pascal is angling for a 5 year max or near max 5 year contract this summer. It’s all about the 5th year. Whoever offers it will get him. He’s going to ransom Toronto or whoever holds his Bird Rights to get it with the threat of leaving for nothing, using Philly as leverage as long as they keep cap space available. He’s going to the top bidder. He might be willing to negotiate more with Dallas (4 vs 5 years and salary) because of taxes, climate, and family, but end of day, he goes to top bidder.

Personally I can’t wait until he’s gone. Pascal cares about Pascal, it is evident in his play. I care about the Raptors. Our priorities are in conflict. **** him at this point.

I get it. But it just seems like that's not going about it the right way. If you're angling for a 5th year and at the same time squashing trades of yourself by the team you want a 5th year from. That tells me 2 things. 1) the team doesn't want you. 2) pissing them off by sinking your value isn't the best way to get more money from them.

That might be the issue. No other team will offer the 5th year and trying to squeeze Toronto knowing an4 year max is out there as a FA.

[Ducksplatt]

Talking myself into Barnes, Huerter and picks. Just last year those 2 guys were worth a 1st each. Rehab them and trade them ourselves. Walk away with 3 or 4 picks in the end

Possibly flip Barnes to Dallas or Indiana if they have improved their PF spot. Though still not the best offer (though would be nice to have Huerter off the bench when we need scoring).

[SurgeIblocka]

This explains it perfectly

Read on Twitter

What everyone needs to understand is that no team wants to give Siakam that 5th year. They would be ok with giving a 4 year max and if he declines in 2 or 3 years he can be a expiring easy to move.

What Siakam’s camp wants is the most bidders in the summer since they know no one is willing to give 5 years, but if he stays with Raps they would be forced to give him the 5th year so they don’t lose him for nothing. Tgen even if he doesnt want to stay in TO, he can ask for a trade down the road. This current scenario is not about Siakam wanting to stay on Raps its all about leverage and Raps being used as leverage like they were for Fred, Lowry and Kawhi. If Masai is dumb enough not to see what is happening he will not trade him, if he has any clue he will trade him for whatever the best package is available right now. Dallas only makes sense because even at a 4 year max he would make more money with the tax break.

[mtcan]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

[Raptorfan2012]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

Masai is here to stay. You might as well find a new team to follow. Why stay frustrated when you can leave and find a team with a better FO for your liking?

[SurgeIblocka]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

They are washed, only hit on Barnes and every other pick has been a failure since Fred and Siakam. they have over valued their players, always thought they could get more when they hold onto players and it hasn’t happened since Serge, Gasol should have been traded before hitting free agency. This FO is toast and needs to be let go.

[mtcan]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

Masai is here to stay. You might as well find a new team to follow. Why stay frustrated when you can leave and find a team with a better FO for your liking?

Nah...how about I don't?

[Tha Cynic]

Has there ever been a story like this before where a fanbase is questioning why a player wants to stay? Maybe we should start there.

Why isn't a deal done then?

What do you mean?

If Siakam wants to stay, why isn't a deal done?

[ash_k]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

Y'all have already forgotten about Kevin Durant and more recently Shams thinking we had Lillard done..

[KP730]

This explains it perfectly

Read on Twitter

What everyone needs to understand is that no team wants to give Siakam that 5th year. They would be ok with giving a 4 year max and if he declines in 2 or 3 years he can be a expiring easy to move.

What Siakam’s camp wants is the most bidders in the summer since they know no one is willing to give 5 years, but if he stays with Raps they would be forced to give him the 5th year so they don’t lose him for nothing. Tgen even if he doesnt want to stay in TO, he can ask for a trade down the road. This current scenario is not about Siakam wanting to stay on Raps it’s all about leverage and Raps being used as leverage like they were for Fred, Lowry and Kawhi. If Masai is dumb enough not to see what is happening he will not trade him, if he has any clue he will trade him for whatever the best package is available right now. Dallas only makes sense because even at a 4 year max he would make more money with the tax break.

Detroit may be desperate enough to trade for him and offer the 5 year max

if there is a real threat of that happening, then a team like Dallas that is a favourable situation for Siakam could trade for his birds rights even if they don’t want to offer the 5 year max…just to eliminate that possibility of another team offering it

Interesting to see how this plays out. Siakam’s birds rights are worth more than many reports indicate

[Mack11]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

Masai is here to stay. You might as well find a new team to follow. Why stay frustrated when you can leave and find a team with a better FO for your liking?

its not that serious bro its ok to criticize your own team for clear incompetence

[wayoftheroad]

Seriously masai fcuked up. You could have made these trades last year and gotten much more. What I don't understand is if the common fan could see that we were not a good team, how come a top tier front office couldn't?

[StopitLeo]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

They are washed, only hit on Barnes and every other pick has been a failure since Fred and Siakam. they have over valued their players, always thought they could get more when they hold onto players and it hasn’t happened since Serge, Gasol should have been traded before hitting free agency. This FO is toast and needs to be let go.

Yeah, they really should have done better with the 59th, 29th, 59th, 46th, 47th, and 33rd picks.

Can you believe they kept Ibaka and Gasol only to win 53 games? Not to mention losing in game 7 of the conference semis?

They let FVV go for nothing and we are really feeling the impact of that now.

We really should have traded OG last year because Quickley, Barrett, and the 31st pick are way worse than the packages we have learned were available.

[yamadory]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

They are washed, only hit on Barnes and every other pick has been a failure since Fred and Siakam. they have over valued their players, always thought they could get more when they hold onto players and it hasn’t happened since Serge, Gasol should have been traded before hitting free agency. This FO is toast and needs to be let go.

Yeah, they really should have done better with the 59th, 29th, 59th, 46th, 47th, and 33rd picks.

Can you believe they kept Ibaka and Gasol only to win 53 games? Not to mention losing in game 7 of the conference semis?

They let FVV go for nothing and we are really feeling the impact of that now.

We really should have traded OG last year because Quickley, Barrett, and the 31st pick are way worse than the packages we have learned were available.

Life is so boring.Why cant they trade 2 nd round pick 2053 for future consideration.

[Fast_Feets]

I think pascal wants free agency to see if he can get any other under the table benefits by meeting teams. Like how kawhis buddy was an assistant coach. Pascal has a brothers who could use some employment. Its a way of circumventing the cap for $$$.

Then he will get the raps to sign and trade him to his destination.

Masai and team royally screwed up their asset management.

[TNRaps4life]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

It would have if scottie took the leap