The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

[tecumseh18]

Shead should also be on the Rookie team; how is McCain on the team when he is out for the season?

There will be a few injury replacements. Brandon Miller from the sophomore team is also out for the season.

Not sure if they'll do a straight rookie-for-rookie swap and likewise for the sophomores or if it'll be by position, but there are a few rookie candidates that might get in before Shead (even though I'm a big fan). Kelel Ware is starting to heat up for Miami, and Ryan Dunn is a guy that's had more minutes and starts than Shead and so arguably has had a bigger impact.

But congrats to Gradey on making the squad! Should be fun to watch him play in this kind of game. Hopefully he ends up on a team with people who will actually pass it to him when he's open.

Yah, Shead's had a good year but I'd say Collier, Ware, and Dunn are all above him for replacements

Ware has been great in his limited minutes. 4 for 4 from three last night. I wanted him so badly in the lead up to the draft.

[Scase]

I meant in the sense of offering nothing but scoring ,less so the specific style.



Well, no, it's not. If he doesn't learn how to rebound, defend and/or move the ball more effectively, than he's going to be a fairly similar archetype. The difference will, then, be more about whether he can do it more efficiently than +1, +1% rTS. Possible, but again, we're talking about a guy who doesn't really yet offer anything aside from scoring and isn't going to be a first option. So it's still a legitimate concern, most especially in the context of making an All-League team.

The rebounding and defense will improve as he gets stronger. The passing and dribbling will improve with more on ball reps. I see no reason why he can't be a 20+/5/5 guy on good efficiency. Turnovers are an issue at this stage but I still believe that he is one of the best passers on this team presently, and I expect that aspect of his game to grow considerably over the next few seasons.

People too busy downplaying the guy.

If he can keep his speed with a extra 10-20 lbs of muscle I think you nailed it.

I'm a big Gradey supporter and think higher of him than most, but I think it's a pretty big stretch to say he'll be All NBA, guaranteed. That said, I hope Reeko is right, lord knows we need it. Personally I see him as being an AS level guy, likely doesn't make any if our team stays mid, but definitely the skill level is there. All NBA ceiling, for sure, but ceilings and actual results are very different things.

[earthtone]

There will be a few injury replacements. Brandon Miller from the sophomore team is also out for the season.

Not sure if they'll do a straight rookie-for-rookie swap and likewise for the sophomores or if it'll be by position, but there are a few rookie candidates that might get in before Shead (even though I'm a big fan). Kelel Ware is starting to heat up for Miami, and Ryan Dunn is a guy that's had more minutes and starts than Shead and so arguably has had a bigger impact.

But congrats to Gradey on making the squad! Should be fun to watch him play in this kind of game. Hopefully he ends up on a team with people who will actually pass it to him when he's open.

Yah, Shead's had a good year but I'd say Collier, Ware, and Dunn are all above him for replacements

Ware has been great in his limited minutes. 4 for 4 from three last night. I wanted him so badly in the lead up to the draft.

I was really low on Ware last year leading up to draft, but I'm happy to see he's been playing so well in his minutes so far. I thought his offense was more advanced than his defense which is still true IMO, but I think definitely underestimated how good his offense already is.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Shead should also be on the Rookie team; how is McCain on the team when he is out for the season?

There will be a few injury replacements. Brandon Miller from the sophomore team is also out for the season.

Not sure if they'll do a straight rookie-for-rookie swap and likewise for the sophomores or if it'll be by position, but there are a few rookie candidates that might get in before Shead (even though I'm a big fan). Kelel Ware is starting to heat up for Miami, and Ryan Dunn is a guy that's had more minutes and starts than Shead and so arguably has had a bigger impact.

But congrats to Gradey on making the squad! Should be fun to watch him play in this kind of game. Hopefully he ends up on a team with people who will actually pass it to him when he's open.

Yah, Shead's had a good year but I'd say Collier, Ware, and Dunn are all above him for replacements

I'm not sure I'd put Collier in that same group. He's actually been pretty horrendous. Shooting splits of .365/.214/.605 with 2.7 turnovers a game in about 20 minutes. And a -7.8 BPM.

[Reeko]

Gradey Dick was spectacular yesterday. 7/9 from the field, 100% from 3. Just elite efficiency from this young up and coming star.

[YogurtProducer]

Gradey Dick was spectacular yesterday. 7/9 from the field, 100% from 3. Just elite efficiency from this young up and coming star.

I can't tell anymore when you are serious or sarcastic

[Duffman100]

Gradey Dick was spectacular yesterday. 7/9 from the field, 100% from 3. Just elite efficiency from this young up and coming star.

I can't tell anymore when you are serious or sarcastic

The "he might make an All NBA team" had me thinking it's bit over the top. But I also don't know !

[anotherhomer]

Gradey Dick was spectacular yesterday. 7/9 from the field, 100% from 3. Just elite efficiency from this young up and coming star.

I can't tell anymore when you are serious or sarcastic

The "he might make an All NBA team" had me thinking it's bit over the top. But I also don't know !

i'm not as optimistic as Reeko....just think he's a JJ Redick type of guy at best, 13-16 ppts a game, will get targetted on defense

can easily be shutdown to 6-10 pts, but can go off for 20-30 pts if you don't pay attention

[tsherkin]

Gradey Dick was spectacular yesterday. 7/9 from the field, 100% from 3. Just elite efficiency from this young up and coming star.

I can't tell anymore when you are serious or sarcastic

The "he might make an All NBA team" had me thinking it's bit over the top. But I also don't know !

I can't tell either, but that makes it vaguely entertaining, I think xD

[Duffman100]

I can't tell anymore when you are serious or sarcastic

The "he might make an All NBA team" had me thinking it's bit over the top. But I also don't know !

I can't tell either, but that makes it vaguely entertaining, I think xD

I'd rather over confidence in our players than the opposite!

[tsherkin]

The "he might make an All NBA team" had me thinking it's bit over the top. But I also don't know !

I can't tell either, but that makes it vaguely entertaining, I think xD

I'd rather over confidence in our players than the opposite!

I don't mind either, but it's good to have both in a common area, I think. That way, no one gets the same note ALL the time.

[djsunyc]

gradey has no gather - he's always in motion and i think that hurts.

when he catches, he never stops to dribble. he always throws it forward and moves before the ball even hits the floor. he constantly leaves his feet as well. he doesn't seem to have fundamentals. by constantly moving, he needs almost precision body control to be able to have a constant form on his shots. i think that's a big reason why there's so much variance.

i think he needs a development reset to simplify his movements a bit more.

on defense, well he needs to go on PEDS and gain 20 pounds.

[Duffman100]

Dick's shooting.

Wide open: 46%
Open: 33%
Tight: 11%

The drop from Wide Open to Open and then especially Open to Tight are dramatic.

I did a quick comparison to other similar players (Strus, Robinson, Hauser) and they don't drop off that dramatically. He needs to have faith in that high release...

[TorontoBarneys]

Dick's shooting.

Wide open: 46%
Open: 33%
Tight: 11%

The drop from Wide Open to Open and then especially Open to Tight are dramatic.

I did a quick comparison to other similar players (Strus, Robinson, Hauser) and they don't drop off that dramatically. He needs to have faith in that high release...

His release is too quick IMO. It doesn't give him time to calibrate.

[Tripod]

Dick's shooting.

Wide open: 46%
Open: 33%
Tight: 11%

The drop from Wide Open to Open and then especially Open to Tight are dramatic.

I did a quick comparison to other similar players (Strus, Robinson, Hauser) and they don't drop off that dramatically. He needs to have faith in that high release...

Wete their wide opens right around the same 46%?

In theory you would think as guys gain experience, the extremes lessen. And confidence makes a difference. Once he makes 1 he seems to hit another not long after.

Odd though how some think he never hits the wide open ones yet it's almost 50%

[TakeYourHeart]

Gradey seems to be on autopilot lately. You can tell he's not really reading the defense when he catches the ball and he's in a hurry to execute his predetermined plan. Like pump fake, attack close out, drive, reverse lay. But it's leading to some ugly basketball as his plans gets defended but he tries to barrel ahead and lay it in traffic. Wouldn't mind if he were to slow down and read the game more. Not thinking too much can be good but right now he's a bit too predictable.

[dballislife]

on offense hes still playing well for a 2nd year player but that d is not acceptable, he often guards our opponents weakest players and still gets beat way too often

[Appostis]

10 lbs of muscle and maybe just 25 minutes a game and I thi k he'll turn it around next season.

[canz55]

gradey has no gather - he's always in motion and i think that hurts.

when he catches, he never stops to dribble. he always throws it forward and moves before the ball even hits the floor. he constantly leaves his feet as well. he doesn't seem to have fundamentals. by constantly moving, he needs almost precision body control to be able to have a constant form on his shots. i think that's a big reason why there's so much variance.

i think he needs a development reset to simplify his movements a bit more.

on defense, well he needs to go on PEDS and gain 20 pounds.

This is actually a very astute observation. I saw him live at the Pelicans game and could see clear as day that he's a natural shooter but he's making his life way more difficult than necessary which you point out. Its really a lack of experience when you get down to it.

[microjacklin]

He's clear out of gas and I guess even his confidence is hitting big right now that he struggle to catch a rest for improvement during the game or between the game

He's right now the top 5 longest travel distant player (no matter it's tatol or average) among Sophomore and only Coulibaly is younger than him with less avg speed.

I still think it's good thing for him to keep as a starter as winning is not really a priority
a full season of starting experience would be a good lesson for him to adjust and grow in the future

His value still not at the highest point and still have big potential to grow that it's pretty stupid to trade him right now even you think he's the odd man out