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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1561 » by Brinbe » Sat Feb 4, 2023 5:15 am

DelAbbot wrote:
T-d0t wrote:

Raptors trolling these sources


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10064121-nba-trade-rumors-raptors-to-wait-until-final-hours-to-decide-on-buying-selling

Didn't Masai say before they are waiting until after the road trip to decide on buying or selling?

Now Masai changes his story / mind and say they are waiting until the final hours of the trade deadline to decide on buying or selling?

That shows a certain frustration with what's going on in negotiations. Not a good sign

they don't even know if they'll be buyers or sellers :noway:

though maybe the reality of things is clear now
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Post#1562 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Feb 4, 2023 5:16 am

SurgeIblocka wrote:Imagine Masai gives up this years pick in a trade for Durant. That would be such a BC thing to do.

Top five player >>>>>>this years pick. That's like passing on a million for a lotto ticket.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1563 » by Raptors Realtor » Sat Feb 4, 2023 5:19 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:you're right in that this would be a very risky move. kawhi was a huge injury/flight risk even at 28.
ibaka,fvv was huge in the playoff run. OG was out with appendicitis. powell and wright didn't really make significant contributions.
the starting lineup for 2018-2019 was lowry, green, gasol and siakam. now it would be fvv(or trent), siakam, barnes, ?precious?
lowry was better than fvv is now; i would consider barnes equivalent to gasol offensively although defensively gasol was indispensable against giannis and embiid. siakam is better now than he was before and in the playoffs, precious is probably equivalent to green.
that starting lineup was a little bit better than ours now, but the east is overall weaker than it was before as well.
don't worry about our FRP; we'll have to give that up in any durant trade.
i agree: bench is a problem but all you need are 8 players. on the bench:one guard, forward and one big man. we have boucher but will need that forward and guard.


The culmination of a likely lottery pick, in addition to dealing 25 year old OG & 23 year old Trent would definitely be enough to scare me off from dealing for 34 year old Durant. Not to mention, we'd be hard pressed to make the playoffs this season, and just don't think we'd be left with the assets, depth & salary to compete against the cream of the crop... To me, it's an easy pass, would much rather rebuild/retool.

durant is 34 but hasn't lost a single step. he's been great this season. at no point in their career will trent or OG be better than durant was this season. health is an issue though; i agree with you there.
as far as the playoffs go, we're only 1.5 games out of the play-in and there is no team in the play-in right now that scares me. so we'll be 7th-8th seed; after that you play either boston or milwaukee and i would put up our starting five against theirs any day.


I agree that Durant has looked great this season, and that OG & Trent will never be as good as Durant. With that said, as you touched on Durant injury risk is a concern also we still really lack 3pt shooting and adding Durant while subtracting OG & Trent is close to a wash in that respect. We also lose our top defensive player, and KD is definitely not on OG's level in that respect.

Also, if we keep OG, Trent & a potential lottery pick we have a much longer competitive window, and if things aren't working with them because of their age we have more options to build around or pivot. Whereas with Durant, if things don't work I think we're stuck in mediocrity/treadmill for 5-10 years while we restock the cupboards via trades/draft, but by the time we realize that Durant is 36 or so and is a depreciating asset compared to what we had given up for him.

In addition, by that point, FVV & Siakam are in their 30s and locked into max & near max deals which would make them harder to move and get a number of young quality assets back in return... Unless Masai is super confident that Durant will be durable and that you can find a way to surround this team with a much better bench and a lot more 3pt shooting, there's no way he can take this risk.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1564 » by DelAbbot » Sat Feb 4, 2023 5:20 am

Brinbe wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
T-d0t wrote:Raptors trolling these sources


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10064121-nba-trade-rumors-raptors-to-wait-until-final-hours-to-decide-on-buying-selling

Didn't Masai say before they are waiting until after the road trip to decide on buying or selling?

Now Masai changes his story / mind and say they are waiting until the final hours of the trade deadline to decide on buying or selling?

That shows a certain frustration with what's going on in negotiations. Not a good sign

they don't even know if they'll be buyers or sellers :noway:

though maybe the reality of things is clear now


everyone can see through this bs of trade negotiation tactic - oh we are 6 games under 0.500 exactly 2/3 of the season done, but we don't know if we are buying or selling yet.

Who buys this bull chit?
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Post#1565 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sat Feb 4, 2023 5:25 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
The culmination of a likely lottery pick, in addition to dealing 25 year old OG & 23 year old Trent would definitely be enough to scare me off from dealing for 34 year old Durant. Not to mention, we'd be hard pressed to make the playoffs this season, and just don't think we'd be left with the assets, depth & salary to compete against the cream of the crop... To me, it's an easy pass, would much rather rebuild/retool.

durant is 34 but hasn't lost a single step. he's been great this season. at no point in their career will trent or OG be better than durant was this season. health is an issue though; i agree with you there.
as far as the playoffs go, we're only 1.5 games out of the play-in and there is no team in the play-in right now that scares me. so we'll be 7th-8th seed; after that you play either boston or milwaukee and i would put up our starting five against theirs any day.


I agree that Durant has looked great this season, and that OG & Trent will never be as good as Durant. With that said, as you touched on Durant injury risk is a concern also we still really lack 3pt shooting and adding Durant while subtracting OG & Trent is closer to a wash in that respect. We also lose our top defensive player, and KD is definitely not beat OG's level in that respect.

Also, if we keep OG, Trent & a potential lottery pick we have a much longer competitive window, and if things aren't working with them because of their age we have more options to build around or pivot. Whereas with Durant, if things don't work I think we're stuck in mediocrity/treadmill for 5-10 years while we restock the cupboards via trades/draft, but by the time we realize that Durant is 36 or so and is a depreciating asset compared to what we had given up for him.

In addition, by that point, FVV & Siakam are in their 30s and locked into max & near max deals which would make them harder to move and get a number of young quality assets back in return... Unless Masai is super confident that Durant will be durable and that you can find a way to surround this team with a much better bench and a lot more 3pt shooting, there's no way he can take this risk.

there's no guarantee either way.
as to the bolded, competitive for what: that's not getting you into championship contender. the lottery pick is a crapshoot; we draft well but you're betting we'll draft a generational player or a superstar.
as far as shooting does, the only reason 3 point shooting was better in our championship team is because of danny green, who had one foot out of the league before coming to Toronto. lol maybe we can get yuta back or seth green back along with the durant trade. either way i'm not too worried about that. we will have top shelf quality talent for 2-3 years which is typical of any championship window.
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Post#1566 » by ForeverTFC » Sat Feb 4, 2023 5:28 am

Wise80 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:Has the Windhorst pod been discussed here today? They just said "if the Orlando noise is real, anyone trading for FVV will have to be comfortable paying near max to keep him."

Orlando really about to go near max on FVV??


I think people are going to be disappointed in what we get back for Fred. Suggs and Bamba or the Chicago pick is not going to happen when they can just sign him in the off season.

A late 1st or 2 from a contending team is what I would be expecting.

Good lord, near max for Fred would be terrible. I see his agent is hard at work.


He fired his agent and is hiring a new one. Windhorst said he won't name names but intel is he is signing with one of the really big NBA agents. FVV is cashing in on his bet this off-season, no question about it.
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Post#1567 » by Ackshun » Sat Feb 4, 2023 6:03 am

Brinbe wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
T-d0t wrote:Raptors trolling these sources


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10064121-nba-trade-rumors-raptors-to-wait-until-final-hours-to-decide-on-buying-selling

Didn't Masai say before they are waiting until after the road trip to decide on buying or selling?

Now Masai changes his story / mind and say they are waiting until the final hours of the trade deadline to decide on buying or selling?

That shows a certain frustration with what's going on in negotiations. Not a good sign

they don't even know if they'll be buyers or sellers :noway:

though maybe the reality of things is clear now


Masai and Bobby running this joint into the ground. Honestly not sure wtf they been doing since the Norm trade .
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Post#1568 » by anotherhomer » Sat Feb 4, 2023 6:12 am

It feels like ujiri may seriously consider trading for Durant if he's available
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Post#1569 » by SurgeIblocka » Sat Feb 4, 2023 6:23 am

anotherhomer wrote:It feels like ujiri may seriously consider trading for Durant if he's available


He may but the problem is we have no bench and nothing left of a team after we give up assets for KD. The Kawhi situation was completely different we had enough talent to support or trade for support of Kawhi. If Masai does trade for KD he better have a plan of how he will surround him for the next 3 years because if he thinks it will take a year, KD can in one year demand a trade out and then your out of all the draft capital and players you had, or even worse KD injures himself and is out for another year. Look at Kawhi hes in and out of the Clipper lineup for the past 3 years and they havent done sht and they have Balmer money and the benefit of being in a premier market in LA. So much can go wrong with a KD trade. Unless he is coming as a salary dump which he won’t, there is way to much risk there.
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Post#1570 » by Ell Curry » Sat Feb 4, 2023 6:37 am

I think I now want everyone making over 7M dealt except for Trent. Just pull the trigger. Say you have to take 75 cents on the dollar and you only net 4 total firsts (2 for Siakam, 1 for OG, 1 for Van Vleet) and 3 good young players like Trey Murphy, Ayton and Mann, that's still a fun start to a rebuild that can lose games by simply starting a rookie PG next year since they're damn near always awful and probably only Scoot will be halfway decent as a rookie starter.

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is a fun 8 man rotation and we're plus 4 in draft picks. We're probably not a playoff team next year with that offense, and go into the summer of 2024 (after moving Boucher for like Theis or some expiring early bad player) with another top 10 pick to draft someone and Precious' low cap hold meaning we've only tied up like 90M or so in spending on those 8 players plus let's add 2 2024 firsts, so you have max cap space to work with.

The realistic path to a title contender here is Barnes at the 4 and draft picks to get a star guard or wing. We can also make cap space work for us, either in taking on a deal to get more picks or overpaying some young RFA we like or trading picks for a disgruntled star like Cleveland did.

The other option is KD I guess, or an insane gamble on say Lavine and that starts to look pretty desperate.
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Post#1571 » by Potential » Sat Feb 4, 2023 6:43 am

You know what's crazy? Raptors are going to stand pat and ride it out.
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Post#1572 » by Fast_Feets » Sat Feb 4, 2023 6:49 am

Masai had his chance. Trying to be all nice and waiting for the end of the. Roadtrip to ensure an easy move for players and their families just screwed his own market
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Post#1573 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:08 am

KD/Siakam/Barnes is a better big three than the draft can offer.

If that option opens up, the only question I'd have is how deep are we. If we're greater than six deep, giddy up.
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Post#1574 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:16 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:KD/Siakam/Barnes is a better big three than the draft can offer.

If that option opens up, the only question I'd have is how deep are we. If we're greater than six deep, giddy up.


Not only you but which of you actually believe the Nets will trade KD within the next week?! Not Kyrie, KD.




If anything BKN is already gonna be too busy just trying to salvage some value for Kyrie which means KD will likely be something the Nets look at in the offseason….

So considering Fred & Gary aren’t under contract by then how exactly are we getting KD without trading Pascal or Scottie?!?? lol The draft is a FAR more realistic goal than getting KD.
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Post#1575 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:22 am

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:KD/Siakam/Barnes is a better big three than the draft can offer.

If that option opens up, the only question I'd have is how deep are we. If we're greater than six deep, giddy up.


Not only you but which of you actually believe the Nets will trade KD within the next week?! Not Kyrie, KD.




If anything BKN is already gonna be too busy just trying to salvage some value for Kyrie which means KD will likely be something the Nets look at in the offseason….

So considering Fred & Gary aren’t under contract by then how exactly are we getting KD without trading Pascal or Scottie?!?? lol

The market hasn't changed. We know who the buyers are, we know the teams he wanted to go to.

That's a team looking to divest of contracts if Kyrie's gone. The hold up would be the Lakers if anything.
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Post#1576 » by jindy20 » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:23 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
Wise80 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:Has the Windhorst pod been discussed here today? They just said "if the Orlando noise is real, anyone trading for FVV will have to be comfortable paying near max to keep him."

Orlando really about to go near max on FVV??


I think people are going to be disappointed in what we get back for Fred. Suggs and Bamba or the Chicago pick is not going to happen when they can just sign him in the off season.

A late 1st or 2 from a contending team is what I would be expecting.

Good lord, near max for Fred would be terrible. I see his agent is hard at work.


He fired his agent and is hiring a new one. Windhorst said he won't name names but intel is he is signing with one of the really big NBA agents. FVV is cashing in on his bet this off-season, no question about it.



Marc Stein reported he is signing with Klutch.
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Post#1577 » by Prestige » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:29 am

There’s 5 days until the deadline. I don’t see any way the Nets could realistically trade Durant in that short a span, when he hasn’t even asked out. There’s barely time to gauge the interest and offers for Kyrie, let alone trying to max our Durants value.
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Post#1578 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:34 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:KD/Siakam/Barnes is a better big three than the draft can offer.

If that option opens up, the only question I'd have is how deep are we. If we're greater than six deep, giddy up.


Not only you but which of you actually believe the Nets will trade KD within the next week?! Not Kyrie, KD.




If anything BKN is already gonna be too busy just trying to salvage some value for Kyrie which means KD will likely be something the Nets look at in the offseason….

So considering Fred & Gary aren’t under contract by then how exactly are we getting KD without trading Pascal or Scottie?!?? lol

The market hasn't changed. We know who the buyers are, we know the teams he wanted to go to.

That's a team looking to divest of contracts if Kyrie's gone. The hold up would be the Lakers if anything.


What hasn’t changed is Joe Tsai wanting to get SOMETHING out of his massive investment into KD in particular especially now after the Nets are as high up in the standings as they are and yes as I stated they’re going to need time just to sort out this situation with Kyrie whom the Suns were one of the major teams in on KD & now with Kyrie, BOS has also stepped out...there’s a lot more moving parts that you’re completely underselling.

You think he’s going to rush his decision & just flat out pull the plug on the season?! He’s gonna make both massive franchise future altering trades all in the span of a week. That sounds like wishful thinking at its finest.
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Post#1579 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:36 am

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
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Not only you but which of you actually believe the Nets will trade KD within the next week?! Not Kyrie, KD.




If anything BKN is already gonna be too busy just trying to salvage some value for Kyrie which means KD will likely be something the Nets look at in the offseason….

So considering Fred & Gary aren’t under contract by then how exactly are we getting KD without trading Pascal or Scottie?!?? lol

The market hasn't changed. We know who the buyers are, we know the teams he wanted to go to.

That's a team looking to divest of contracts if Kyrie's gone. The hold up would be the Lakers if anything.


What hasn’t changed is Joe Tsai wanting to get SOMETHING out of his massive investment into KD in particular especially now after the Nets are as high up in the standings as they are and yes as I stated they’re going to need time just to sort out this situation with Kyrie..

You think he’s going to rush his decision & just flat out pull the plug on the season?! He’s gonna make both massive franchise future altering trades all in the span of a week. That sounds like wishful thinking at its finest.

He needs a time machine for that. He's just dumping money down a hole at this point if Kyrie wants out.
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Post#1580 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 4, 2023 7:44 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The market hasn't changed. We know who the buyers are, we know the teams he wanted to go to.

That's a team looking to divest of contracts if Kyrie's gone. The hold up would be the Lakers if anything.


What hasn’t changed is Joe Tsai wanting to get SOMETHING out of his massive investment into KD in particular especially now after the Nets are as high up in the standings as they are and yes as I stated they’re going to need time just to sort out this situation with Kyrie..

You think he’s going to rush his decision & just flat out pull the plug on the season?! He’s gonna make both massive franchise future altering trades all in the span of a week. That sounds like wishful thinking at its finest.

He needs a time machine for that. He's just dumping money down a hole at this point if Kyrie wants out.


But what don’t you get about organizing two massive deals in the span of a week being highly unlikely???! Just the sheer amount of work that it will take negotiating to get the best possible offer for Kyrie between LAL, DAL and PHX (who was THE team KD wanted to go to btw so now that affects the KD market and could mean an expanded deal..). Not to mention BOS will no longer be a player when THEY were the ONLY team/package that the Nets endorsed as a worthy trade partner for Jaylen Brown so that’s now 2 of their best offers potentially gone or just more complex at minimum…but they’re gonna make that call with what little is left after a Kyrie move and you think they’re just gonna easily let go of everything now while they’re amongst the top in the East?! Lol

Those are massive decisions that you’re greatly underselling the time necessary, in order to sell yourself on the dream that we’re getting KD lol. This also not mentioning BKN had no interest in any package from us unless it included Scottie.
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