Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[Rapsfan07]

Cason Wallace might go in the top 10 at this point.

I'm willing to bet he will.

[Ell Curry]

Avery Johnson making excuses for Keyonte George, you could literally write a book with all the excuses I've heard for George Smith Jr and Jett Howard.

Cason Wallace clearly established himself as better than all these guys and was also dealing with an injury.

Howard is such weird eval. Far better than Caleb Houstan on O, worse on D, allergic to the rim and yet I could see him being top 3 or 4 for all SFs in 3pt makes every year (only Tatum and then Klay and Huerter playing out of position are top 20 this year, for example).

Smith looks way behind in terms of bball IQ so he might be a Bouknight type bust, but if we're picking 14 I fully expect Dick, Wallace and maybe George to all be gone, so might be worth a wild swing and hopefully he's happy being our Jamal Crawford/Clarkson/Lou Williams.

I was impressed with Terquavion's passion and his scoring ability, but I have no idea if he can add 20 pounds (he's crazy skinny) and also 70% from the line is not what you want to see.

Right now my only prediction is that none of the guys we want drop and everyone is shocked by Masai's pick.

[DreamTeam09]

Ricky council IV is the player I want.

[Rapsfan07]

Ricky council IV is the player I want.

I'm pretty high on Council IV.

But he'll be there in the early half of the second round. Still, he reminds of like a Ronnie Brewer. If he can make 33-35% 3pt in the NBA, he could end up being a quality rotation wing in the league.

[ItsDanger]

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[Mark_83]

Let's go and get the French Connection of Cissoko AND Coulibaly!!!

I like Cissoko, but I have a difficult time thinking of a comparison. He's go wing size, he's strong but not that explosive or fast. He can shoot a bit, but he's a better passer/playmaker than a scorer. Smaller Draymond?

[Mark_83]

I'd like to welcome everyone off the Keyonte George and Nick Smith Jr. bandwagons and onto the Cason Wallace and Coulibaly hype trains. Still lots of room in the back.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Let's go and get the French Connection of Cissoko AND Coulibaly!!!

I like Cissoko, but I have a difficult time thinking of a comparison. He's go wing size, he's strong but not that explosive or fast. He can shoot a bit, but he's a better passer/playmaker than a scorer. Smaller Draymond?

He’s a Marvin Williams doppelgänger down to the Lowry esque caboose

[grant101]

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[Thaddy]

Coulibaly's production has the huge factor of playing with the best non-NBA player in the world. I would go for Rupert before him.

1. Wembyama
2. Miller
3. Henderson
4. Amen Thompson
5. Walker
6. Black
7. George
8. Ausar Thompson
9. Whitmore
10. Smith Jr
11. Hendricks
12. Wallace

I would guess we're in the range to get Hendricks. He should be able to replace Boucher almost immediately. If we stay in our current spot we would get at least one of these prospects. If we can't get Hendricks I would probably take Wallace

[WuTang_CMB]

Hendricks or Wallace please.

[Yallbecrazy]

Coulibaly's production has the huge factor of playing with the best non-NBA player in the world. I would go for Rupert before him.

1. Wembyama
2. Miller
3. Henderson
4. Amen Thompson
5. Walker
6. Black
7. George
8. Ausar Thompson
9. Whitmore
10. Smith Jr
11. Hendricks
12. Wallace

I would guess we're in the range to get Hendricks. He should be able to replace Boucher almost immediately. If we stay in our current spot we would get at least one of these prospects. If we can't get Hendricks I would probably take Wallace

Victor isn't the best non- NBA player in the world yet, and he's not even top 20 offensively yet. Best prospect, best u-21? Sure, but he's not a good passer and he his game still has a lot of developing to do.

[Rapsfan07]

Coulibaly's production has the huge factor of playing with the best non-NBA player in the world. I would go for Rupert before him.

1. Wembyama
2. Miller
3. Henderson
4. Amen Thompson
5. Walker
6. Black
7. George
8. Ausar Thompson
9. Whitmore
10. Smith Jr
11. Hendricks
12. Wallace

I would guess we're in the range to get Hendricks. He should be able to replace Boucher almost immediately. If we stay in our current spot we would get at least one of these prospects. If we can't get Hendricks I would probably take Wallace

Hendricks or Wallace please.

That board seems about right for me, with a few important exceptions.

1. I think George and Smith, barring insane workouts and interviews, will be going late lottery...like after 10. One of them will be replaced by Dick and I don't know if Black goes ahead of Whitemore AND Ausar but it will be something like that.

In any case, when it's all said and done, I could see Wallace and Hendricks both being gone by 11 and right now we're sitting at 14.

[Thaddy]

Coulibaly's production has the huge factor of playing with the best non-NBA player in the world. I would go for Rupert before him.

1. Wembyama
2. Miller
3. Henderson
4. Amen Thompson
5. Walker
6. Black
7. George
8. Ausar Thompson
9. Whitmore
10. Smith Jr
11. Hendricks
12. Wallace

I would guess we're in the range to get Hendricks. He should be able to replace Boucher almost immediately. If we stay in our current spot we would get at least one of these prospects. If we can't get Hendricks I would probably take Wallace

Hendricks or Wallace please.

That board seems about right for me, with a few important exceptions.

1. I think George and Smith, barring insane workouts and interviews, will be going late lottery...like after 10. One of them will be replaced by Dick and I don't know if Black goes ahead of Whitemore AND Ausar but it will be something like that.

In any case, when it's all said and done, I could see Wallace and Hendricks both being gone by 11 and right now we're sitting at 14.

13. Jackson
14. Rupert
15. Dick
16. Sensabaugh

Developing Jackson in the Gleague wouldn't be a horrible move for us but I would probably have Rupert above him on my draft board. Rupert's point of attack defense, 3pt shooting, wingspan, and the NBL prospect track record would be enough for me to put him before Smith Jr.

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[ATLTimekeeper]

If anyone missed the recent Dan Tolzman interview he mentioned a few things the Raptors key in on with prospects.

-mentioned the most translatable quality with prospects is measurables/athleticicism.
-they prioritize IQ and do heavy research on character (mentioned as an example like who will be living with them in Toronto).
-specified rebounding for size/ position/ age as an indicator of intelligence/competitiveness.
-at this time of year he likes to see which prospects have 'checked out' and which ones are still competing/finishing plays.

In this draft I've singled out a few of these types I've been interested in:

1) Anthony Black. Measurables will translate. High character. Rebounding is decent but not special. Still going all out in the tournament.
2) Gradey Dick. Size will translate. He's physically weak, so that could be an issue. No clue about his character. Rebounding is meh for his size. Didn't check out.
3) Rayan Rupert. Elite measurables (reported Kawhi measurements). High character. Rebounding is meh in a pro league. Starting on a competitive team.
4) Leonard Miller. Measurables will translate. No clue about his character but no flags. Excellent rebounder. Still playing (unlike Scoot)
5) Bilal Coulibaly. Excellent measurables. No clue about his character. Excellent rebounder. Seems like a competitor.
6) Brandin Podziemski. Good size, meh athlete. No clue about character. Special rebounder. Bounced from NIT, but still produced like 1/3 of his teams buckets.

Later on there's older super productive bigs like Trayce and Tschibwe. They'll both make it to the NBA, but I don't think the Raptors need either of them with JP and Koloko.

[Mark_83]

Right now I think we're pretty much locked into that 11-15 range so my want list for the Raptors (in no particular order) is as follows:

Wallace
Hendricks
Coulibaly
Black
Kugel
Bufkin
Lively
Sasser
Jones
Whitehead
CIssoko

Undecided: Rupert, Podziemski, Murray.

[ItsDanger]

If anyone missed the recent Dan Tolzman interview he mentioned a few things the Raptors key in on with prospects.

-mentioned the most translatable quality with prospects is measurables/athleticicism.
-they prioritize IQ and do heavy research on character (mentioned as an example like who will be living with them in Toronto).
-specified rebounding for size/ position/ age as an indicator of intelligence/competitiveness.
-at this time of year he likes to see which prospects have 'checked out' and which ones are still competing/finishing plays.

In this draft I've singled out a few of these types I've been interested in:

1) Anthony Black. Measurables will translate. High character. Rebounding is decent but not special. Still going all out in the tournament.
2) Gradey Dick. Size will translate. He's physically weak, so that could be an issue. No clue about his character. Rebounding is meh for his size. Didn't check out.
3) Rayan Rupert. Elite measurables (reported Kawhi measurements). High character. Rebounding is meh in a pro league. Starting on a competitive team.
4) Leonard Miller. Measurables will translate. No clue about his character but no flags. Excellent rebounder. Still playing (unlike Scoot)
5) Bilal Coulibaly. Excellent measurables. No clue about his character. Excellent rebounder. Seems like a competitor.
6) Brandin Podziemski. Good size, meh athlete. No clue about character. Special rebounder. Bounced from NIT, but still produced like 1/3 of his teams buckets.

Later on there's older super productive bigs like Trayce and Tschibwe. They'll both make it to the NBA, but I don't think the Raptors need either of them with JP and Koloko.

It's incredibly concerning that Tolzman didn't mention an offensive attribute. While I value athleticism, I also value change of pace in scorers. Most of the top scorers in the NBA have that style.